RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 5, 2013 7:03:07 GMT -5
In the future, both things will be primary concerns. Season ticket sales will dip in a huge way once there is not a single team on our schedule that is going to sell out the building (and nobody in the new league will come close). People will skip the donation and just buy tickets ala carte as needed. Not only will the upper bowl be empty, but for everything except the best few games on the schedule, much of the lower bowl will be too. I can't underscore how big of an issue this is. It threatens the program as we know it. All of this because we don't play Cuse every year? I'm not against continuing to play Cuse, but some of you need to stop the chicken little act. No, because we don't play Cuse, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville or even Notre Dame. Basically all of the conference games that actually draw sizable crowds to Verizon. Our ticket and attendance situations are not great as it is--people already complain about the home schedule being weak--and we're going to lose almost all of the conference home games that actually draw well. Take a look at this year's home schedule, then remove the games against Pitt, Louisville and Cuse. How many people are excited to pay hundreds for season tickets to see that? Call it chicken little if you want. I think those who don't see how potentially dire this situation can become will see in time. Our ticket sales may not drop dramatically right away, but unless we lock in quality OOC home games every single year, sales are gradually going to fall as people simply cherry pick a couple big games to buy tickets for on Stubhub.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 5, 2013 9:42:46 GMT -5
RB I agree we will lose out on a few tickets sold. But we are gaining a new more expansive tv contract. They money is a saw off. Lets be proactive in this situation. We are Georgetown as you know. Finding a series with Kansas, Duke, Florida won't be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 9:53:53 GMT -5
Finding a series with Kansas, Duke, Florida won't be a problem. In fact, we already have a home and home with Kansas on the books starting next season.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 5, 2013 10:00:41 GMT -5
You can't replace a historically signifigant annual rivalry that the media loves to wax nostalgic about with a couple of nice "home and homes" now and again. When BC left the BE it was a very easy and correct decision to freeze them out. This time is different. As stated many times we didn't just lose one or two middling games a year like in 2003, we just lost most of the ticket-selling stalwarts on which the stability of the program rests. This is not time to be emotional and petty. IN ADDITION to continuing to schedule Kansas and Duke and UCLA whenever we can....we still ought to lock up a couple of long standing series (not 2 or 4 games but 10 games) with a couple of former Big East teams- but the Cuse one is a total no-brainer. No point in worrying about whether Cuse will "leave NY for OOC" games...if they don't agree to 50% home and home split DC to the Dome then this decision takes care of itself and the rivalry is no more. I'd be suprised if given all previous known comments Boeheim would not sign a long term 50/50 split. Its too much money, tradition, and exposure to kill off out of spite well before it ceases to provide all of those benefits which are crucial even now and are about to become a lot more so.
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Post by IDenj on Feb 5, 2013 10:00:57 GMT -5
The opportunities will be there for Georgetown to set up series with top schools. We don't need Syracuse. They turned their backs on us, the BE and the other teams in the new conference. Lets show some solidarity to our brethren and tell them to sod off, like we did to BC.
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Post by thebin on Feb 5, 2013 10:04:09 GMT -5
The opportunities will be there for Georgetown to set up series with top schools. We don't need Syracuse. They turned their backs on us, the BE and the other teams in the new conference. Lets show some solidarity to our brethren and tell them to sod off, like we did to BC. A move which will hurt us significantly more than it hurts them. One does not have to accept that we can't possibly survive without Cuse to agree that we should act in the best interests of the program and ignore the urge to engage in meaningless and counterproductive revenge scheduling.
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Post by bigelephant on Feb 5, 2013 10:07:22 GMT -5
Syracuse is like your last wife - I hate 'em, don't play 'em.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 5, 2013 10:10:56 GMT -5
Syracuse is like your last wife - I hate 'em, don't play 'em. Syracuse is like your last wife...who you remain civil with because you know its good for your children and it is the adult thing to do.
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Post by Boz on Feb 5, 2013 10:15:56 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let UMCP and Wake Forest take care of Syracuse's white trash children.
That b**ch.
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Post by deacon on Feb 5, 2013 10:46:49 GMT -5
RB I agree we will lose out on a few tickets sold. But we are gaining a new more expansive tv contract. They money is a saw off. Lets be proactive in this situation. We are Georgetown as you know. Finding a series with Kansas, Duke, Florida won't be a problem. We don't have a new TV contract yet. We have people on this board posting links from reporters/bloggers about the latest rumors and supposed insiders from other schools posting the same thing. All we know for a fact, right now, is that we're going to be in a new conference with Villanova, Marquette, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence and DePaul. People aren't shelling out big money for a chance to see those teams once a year at Verizon. The absolute last thing we should be doing is burning bridges with a program simply because we feel a certain way about them doing the same exact thing we would've done if we had the chance. Like I, and many other posters have said, the bottomline is the bottomline. We have history with Syracuse. We need to do everything we can to have games that attract national attention and will sell-out. This will guarantee that. It's a no-brainer. Make it happen.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 5, 2013 11:01:28 GMT -5
Thus far this year we are averaging an attendance of 8.362 for OOC games and 10,481 for in conference games. Next year no PITT and no CUSE and LVILLE could be on the road. One could think that we will get 2000 less season ticket holders next year based solely on the level and stature of teams coming in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 11:09:57 GMT -5
Syracuse doesn’t leave NY until around Jan…. So the only way we could get them to play us ooc is if we did a home and home. Once in Cuse and the second at MSG their other home...
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Post by guru on Feb 5, 2013 11:17:32 GMT -5
Thus far this year we are averaging an attendance of 8.362 for OOC games and 10,481 for in conference games. Next year no PITT and no CUSE and LVILLE could be on the road. One could think that we will get 2000 less season ticket holders next year based solely on the level and stature of teams coming in. I doubt the dropoff would be that steep as I think most of us who already have season tickets are the diehards who will keep them no matter what. But it's hard to see how they could ever grow the season ticket base significantly (in the short term) losing those marquee matchups. And it will be very interesting to see what they do with pricing....
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Post by Buckets on Feb 5, 2013 11:23:26 GMT -5
Syracuse doesn’t leave NY until around Jan…. So the only way we could get them to play us ooc is if we did a home and home. Once in Cuse and the second at MSG their other home... I'm sure it's been mentioned (ProBoards won't let me search for three-character terms) but I would guess MSG or Barclay's is willing to host Syracuse-Georgetown on an annual basis. If ESPN is sending GameDay there for the finale this year, somebody has to be willing to broadcast it for the next few years until it loses its luster. I fail to see how this isn't beneficial for everyone, short of MSG/Barclay's wanting too much money compared to the revenue from a home/home.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 5, 2013 11:27:00 GMT -5
In this discussion, I really think too much focus is being put on the students and what the students view as the biggest rivalry or draw. In my opinion, that's Syracuse, but it doesn't really matter. The people who buy most of the season tickets are young and older alumni, and for a very significant part of this age-group, Syracuse is without a doubt the biggest draw and rivalry for Georgetown. That alone makes it worthwhile.
I hate to say it, but the Georgetown-Syracuse continued series is more important for Georgetown than Syracuse. Syracuse is going to a conference where they will regularly play (perhaps twice a year) Pittsburgh, Louisville, Duke, and UNC. That's at least four really good matchups that they are guaranteed to have. All of those schools have large fan bases and travel decently for games. Instead, we have Marquette, a shaky Villanova, and likely Butler and Xavier. It's not really comparable because Syracuse will have regular access to high-quality opponents, and we will not unless we play them in the out of conference schedule. Giving up a chance to play ANY high-quality opponent that will fill seats in the out of conference schedule is a huge mistake (unless we have so many lined up we don't need more, but that's highly unlikely to ever happen).
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Feb 5, 2013 11:36:07 GMT -5
Hoyas will survive without SU. I haven't seen so many people hanging on to something that is gone since Jack Dawson was in the water off of Nova Scotia.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 5, 2013 11:39:32 GMT -5
Of course, we will "survive" without Syracuse. We could also "survive" by joining the A-10, but we aren't doing that either. This isn't a matter of survival, it's a matter of maximizing the programs' profits and exposure.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Feb 5, 2013 11:49:48 GMT -5
Syracuse doesn’t leave NY until around Jan…. So the only way we could get them to play us ooc is if we did a home and home. Once in Cuse and the second at MSG their other home... Pls stop repeating this nonsense. This is NOT a factor. There is no way we would agree to play them unless it was home and home (DC and Cuse- NOT MSG.) There is no reason to think that their past OOC scheduling isn't going to change now that they are leaving the northeastern league in which they sit in the middle still geographically speaking. Especially since the school has already mentioned they would like to continue the rivalry. There is NO WAY they think we're going to give them an unbalanced series. Even if you think they will try to do that, we at that point tell them to flip off and there is no issue. This canard is only muddying the waters of this important discussion.
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Post by thebin on Feb 5, 2013 11:54:53 GMT -5
Syracuse doesn’t leave NY until around Jan…. So the only way we could get them to play us ooc is if we did a home and home. Once in Cuse and the second at MSG their other home... I'm sure it's been mentioned (ProBoards won't let me search for three-character terms) but I would guess MSG or Barclay's is willing to host Syracuse-Georgetown on an annual basis. If ESPN is sending GameDay there for the finale this year, somebody has to be willing to broadcast it for the next few years until it loses its luster. I fail to see how this isn't beneficial for everyone, short of MSG/Barclay's wanting too much money compared to the revenue from a home/home. What you propose is scheduling a series where cuse will be the defacto Home team every single year. NO WAY. Verizon and the Dome- 50-50 split, or nothing.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 5, 2013 11:56:59 GMT -5
I agree with thebin. While I am a huge proponent of continuing the Georgetown-Syracuse games, I think it would have to be an authentic home-and-home. If they don't want to do that, they can take a walk.
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