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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 10, 2014 14:49:28 GMT -5
Are there any more dead horses we can beat while we wait for Wednesday night?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 10, 2014 14:52:00 GMT -5
Hart's been great in limited minutes for NOVA this year. He's got a 127 Offensive efficiency with 17% usage and 50% minutes. We have DSR, who has higher usage and a but lower efficiency, but otherwise, Hart, with those numbers, would be the third best offensive player on our team (and that's giving Markel the benefit of the usage/efficiency doubt).
He shoots 65% from 2, 33% from 3 and never turns the ball over. We could use that.
It's a big miss. Hopefully the staff diagnoses why they thought Domingo and others would be better and re-evaluates their priorities. I suspect Domingo's potential upside with his height and athleticism were tempting over Hart's skillset. I also suspect they never expected Domingo's shot to disappear.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 10, 2014 15:29:03 GMT -5
Are there any more dead horses we can beat while we wait for Wednesday night? Well, as Nolan tweeted yesterday, both Mike Brennan and Kenya Hunter could be going to the dance. <ducks>
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 10, 2014 15:40:03 GMT -5
Are there any more dead horses we can beat while we wait for Wednesday night? Right! Lol
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 10, 2014 16:30:20 GMT -5
denny, those links are not providing the whole picture. Corliss appears to go out of his way to appear nice and politically correct. But it was reported on numerous occassions that he waas disappointed that Thompson didn't recruit him. His words. Gtown may have come in at the last minute (if at all) but by then it was too late. And any talk that Anderson was put off by Thompson's frequent substitution pattern is nonsense. Anderson had been following Gtown forever and knew about Thompson's style of substitution and yet remained a huge fan. He wore Gtown Starter jackets in between classes at school (as reported by the New York media) and envisioned himself playing alongside Zo. And everyone covering his recruiting on the east coast, including the local Washington newspapers, reported comments by his high school coach that Anderson was a heavy Gtown lean but Thompson never got in touch with him. The coach for Archbishop Molloy would be quoted saying he didn't understand why Thompson could not even make contact through a phone call. It wouldn't surprise me if a jilted Anderson, after making his choice for Georgia Tech, tried to play it off by claiming he wasn't going to choose Georgetown anyway but those who were covering his recruiting knew different.
Of course this was around the time JT had essentially lost his desire to recruit (unless big men were involved) and started using excuses such as "why didn't the recruit contact us first" to justify missing out on studs who wasnted to play for the Hoyas. Around this same time he came up with his famous comment "I don't need no Hamburger All-American" to bring up the ball (play point) for my teams. Many thought this was Thompson's way of deflecting criticism regarding his non-pursuit of Kenny Anderson.
Again those are major recruiting losses. Ones which JT's program never truly recovered from (JT would get a jolt thanks to the unexpected arrival of Iverson whom he did not have to recruit). I am reluctant to put Hart into that same class at this time. Perhaps that will change, but as of now it doesn't bother me. And I'm not convinced his presence would have made the difference this season. This team already had arguably the BE's best backcourt duo. Perimeter play wasn't necessarily the problem. Weaknesses in the frontcourt is what killed the Hoyas all season long. Would III have started Hart over Trawick? Doubtful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 19:32:25 GMT -5
denny, those links are not providing the whole picture. Corliss appears to go out of his way to appear nice and politically correct. But it was reported on numerous occassions that he waas disappointed that Thompson didn't recruit him. His words. Gtown may have come in at the last minute (if at all) but by then it was too late. And any talk that Anderson was put off by Thompson's frequent substitution pattern is nonsense. Anderson had been following Gtown forever and knew about Thompson's style of substitution and yet remained a huge fan. He wore Gtown Starter jackets in between classes at school (as reported by the New York media) and envisioned himself playing alongside Zo. And everyone covering his recruiting on the east coast, including the local Washington newspapers, reported comments by his high school coach that Anderson was a heavy Gtown lean but Thompson never got in touch with him. The coach for Archbishop Molloy would be quoted saying he didn't understand why Thompson could not even make contact through a phone call. It wouldn't surprise me if a jilted Anderson, after making his choice for Georgia Tech, tried to play it off by claiming he wasn't going to choose Georgetown anyway but those who were covering his recruiting knew different. Of course this was around the time JT had essentially lost his desire to recruit (unless big men were involved) and started using excuses such as "why didn't the recruit contact us first" to justify missing out on studs who wasnted to play for the Hoyas. Around this same time he came up with his famous comment "I don't need no Hamburger All-American" to bring up the ball (play point) for my teams. Many thought this was Thompson's way of deflecting criticism regarding his non-pursuit of Kenny Anderson. Again those are major recruiting losses. Ones which JT's program never truly recovered from (JT would get a jolt thanks to the unexpected arrival of Iverson whom he did not have to recruit). I am reluctant to put Hart into that same class at this time. Perhaps that will change, but as of now it doesn't bother me. And I'm not convinced his presence would have made the difference this season. This team already had arguably the BE's best backcourt duo. Perimeter play wasn't necessarily the problem. Weaknesses in the frontcourt is what killed the Hoyas all season long. Would III have started Hart over Trawick? Doubtful. Good background info on the those past misses. I think we're pretty much in agreement in assessing the Hart situation though....
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2014 9:43:50 GMT -5
Hart's been great in limited minutes for NOVA this year. He's got a 127 Offensive efficiency with 17% usage and 50% minutes. We have DSR, who has higher usage and a but lower efficiency, but otherwise, Hart, with those numbers, would be the third best offensive player on our team (and that's giving Markel the benefit of the usage/efficiency doubt). He shoots 65% from 2, 33% from 3 and never turns the ball over. We could use that. It's a big miss. Hopefully the staff diagnoses why they thought Domingo and others would be better and re-evaluates their priorities. I suspect Domingo's potential upside with his height and athleticism were tempting over Hart's skillset. I also suspect they never expected Domingo's shot to disappear. I agree that Hart would have certainly helped this year's team, but I wonder what his numbers would have looked like at Georgetown. Keep in mind that Hart's 127 offensive efficiency came on a top 10 team that has a ton of talent. I still think Hart would have easily been the third best offensive player for us, and would have helped a lot this year, but I think his high efficiency is partially because he is playing on such a good team. If he was on a team like Georgetown where the other team's focus is all on the guards, I'm not sure he would have done quite as well.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 11, 2014 10:57:51 GMT -5
Hart's been great in limited minutes for NOVA this year. He's got a 127 Offensive efficiency with 17% usage and 50% minutes. We have DSR, who has higher usage and a but lower efficiency, but otherwise, Hart, with those numbers, would be the third best offensive player on our team (and that's giving Markel the benefit of the usage/efficiency doubt). He shoots 65% from 2, 33% from 3 and never turns the ball over. We could use that. It's a big miss. Hopefully the staff diagnoses why they thought Domingo and others would be better and re-evaluates their priorities. I suspect Domingo's potential upside with his height and athleticism were tempting over Hart's skillset. I also suspect they never expected Domingo's shot to disappear. I agree that Hart would have certainly helped this year's team, but I wonder what his numbers would have looked like at Georgetown. Keep in mind that Hart's 127 offensive efficiency came on a top 10 team that has a ton of talent. I still think Hart would have easily been the third best offensive player for us, and would have helped a lot this year, but I think his high efficiency is partially because he is playing on such a good team. If he was on a team like Georgetown where the other team's focus is all on the guards, I'm not sure he would have done quite as well. No disagreement. But given our number of close losses, the time Jabril has missed / the number of games he's been in foul trouble and the erratic nature of Bowen's play, he would have been a strong positive for us.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 31, 2023 13:37:22 GMT -5
Bumped up to save the Head Coaching thread..
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 31, 2023 13:43:04 GMT -5
Remember Pops not going hard for Kenny Anderson? Another miss
"Georgetown was his main interest six months ago," said Molloy coach Jack Curran to the Times. "But then the Olympics got in the way of his recruiting and Kenny really wanted to be recruited. At least John had to make some overture to him and he didn't. [Craig Esherick] called several times, but that's not the same."
"They called a couple of times but I just didn't think they recruited me the way they should have," Anderson said.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 31, 2023 20:08:18 GMT -5
all rookie team...major miss by III No it wasn't. I lived through some true "major misses" during my years as a Hoya fan. Maybe that gives me some perspective. Kenny Anderson Grant Hill Corliss Williamson Steve Francis Guys like that. Immediate impact players who grew up as huge Hoya fans and wanted to be Hoyas. No offense but Hart, on the other hand, is merely a miss, perhaps a miscalculation on III's part. But unless he goes on to have some ridiculously good college career, III not getting him won't really matter. Heck, I could argue Scottie Reynolds, based on how great his freshman season was, was a much bigger miss than Hart. Seriously did you expect Hart to not be on the All BE Rookie Team? There wasn't much of a selection in the first place. If he made All First Team or All Second Team BE, one could make more of an argument that he was some huge miss. Hart at this point seems to be a very solid player who has a chance to be pretty good over the years. But I doubt I will be watching him over the next few years and going "oh, what if"; not if III keeps bringing in similar talent for the Hoyas. And I'm not sure if what Hart brings to the table now would have been the solution to what ailed this team this season. Again he has a chance to be a good player, but when you say "major miss" you make it seem as if he is Jabari Parker for goodness sakes. Wow almost every sentence of this assessment turned out to be a massive whiff lol. It’s actually kind of impressive.
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