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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Dec 2, 2013 13:39:55 GMT -5
I think L.J. makes up for that; something about Hart screams 'Nova. Remember GU really wanted Echefu too. They've got a nice squad...right now. that's different - we wanted echefu bad but he picked NOVA. Hart wanted to be with us bad, but we picked Domingo or other kats over him. i'm pleased that he is playing well though. With IKE, PEAK, and White coming in next year, I don't see much need for him anyway. Sure woulda been nice to have him and I think he is way better than Jabril, but once our freshman class come in next year, we won't miss him.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 2, 2013 14:05:23 GMT -5
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 2, 2013 19:47:06 GMT -5
Yes, I know. I should have put a semi colon or been a little clearer. i know it's different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 16:28:59 GMT -5
But long story short I have played against and with both of them multiple times and that is what I based my opinion off of. Mostly that and the fact that Kethan had a string of productive years while Josh only had one, due to the fact that his game is more suited to the college level and he improved late. Additionally, Kethan was the second leading scorer in the DMV through the first 40% of his senior year until he got hurt and played hurt for the rest of the year. He had more value at the high school level, in the DMV, than Josh IMO. His intangibles are better and he's tougher. I never thought he'd do that well in college, but so far this year he has shown the ability to be a leader as a sophomore. And plenty of area players and coaches felt the same, so stop acting like there was no debate. Clearly both players are talented and that's why there are people supporting both camps. I don't want to refight this debate, much less revive the nasty back and forth, but Savage looks pretty good versus UMD right now.....Still not sure how he would have fit with the Hoyas though....
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 10, 2014 4:52:42 GMT -5
all rookie team...major miss by III
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 10, 2014 7:54:17 GMT -5
all rookie team...major miss by III No it wasn't. I lived through some true "major misses" during my years as a Hoya fan. Maybe that gives me some perspective. Kenny Anderson Grant Hill Corliss Williamson Steve Francis Guys like that. Immediate impact players who grew up as huge Hoya fans and wanted to be Hoyas. No offense but Hart, on the other hand, is merely a miss, perhaps a miscalculation on III's part. But unless he goes on to have some ridiculously good college career, III not getting him won't really matter. Heck, I could argue Scottie Reynolds, based on how great his freshman season was, was a much bigger miss than Hart. Seriously did you expect Hart to not be on the All BE Rookie Team? There wasn't much of a selection in the first place. If he made All First Team or All Second Team BE, one could make more of an argument that he was some huge miss. Hart at this point seems to be a very solid player who has a chance to be pretty good over the years. But I doubt I will be watching him over the next few years and going "oh, what if"; not if III keeps bringing in similar talent for the Hoyas. And I'm not sure if what Hart brings to the table now would have been the solution to what ailed this team this season. Again he has a chance to be a good player, but when you say "major miss" you make it seem as if he is Jabari Parker for goodness sakes.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 10, 2014 11:32:15 GMT -5
the guys you mentioned above were a monumental miss by JTII. i think hart is a major miss. it's my opinion. the kid clearly wanted to be a hoya and it's not like III had HS all americans sitting and waiting to play. the kid is probably better than anyone on the team right now other than starks and dsr.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 12:18:32 GMT -5
the guys you mentioned above were a monumental miss by JTII. i think hart is a major miss. it's my opinion. the kid clearly wanted to be a hoya and it's not like III had HS all americans sitting and waiting to play. the kid is probably better than anyone on the team right now other than starks and dsr. I think we need to differentiate between a recruit choosing another school and us passing on a player that winds up being good. We went after all those guys hard but for one reason or another they chose to go elsewhere. According to urban legend, Grant Hill didn't like having to take a reading test during his recruitment visit. Kenny Anderson didn't like the substitution patterns of JT2. Corliss Williamson just really liked Nolan Richardson. Josh Hart was a guy that sat behind our bench almost every game and woulda said yes to Gtown the moment he was offered, but we passed on him for Cameron. In that sense, yeah, it kind of hurts to see a guy that wanted to be a Hoya succeed elsewhere. But I agree with others who've made the point that he wouldnt have seen much time this year behind our guards. And I like Peak as a player better for next year anyway. It's not the end of the world, but you could make the argument that we shoulda went with Hart over Cameron. I think the staff was really looking for a shooter though and that's what sealed the decision.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 10, 2014 12:48:30 GMT -5
the guys you mentioned above were a monumental miss by JTII. i think hart is a major miss. it's my opinion. the kid clearly wanted to be a hoya and it's not like III had HS all americans sitting and waiting to play. the kid is probably better than anyone on the team right now other than starks and dsr. We clearly missed out on Hart....great kid and good ballplayer who would have committed on the spot. The thing some of us forget is that a commit by Hart may have very well turned off LJ Peak to the Hoyas. LJ wants to play as a freshman and between Jabril, DSR, and Hart....things would start to get crowded. As much as I like Hart, I'd take LJP all day long. Stepping back, I'd say it all worked out.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 10, 2014 12:53:59 GMT -5
We went for size and 3-pt shooting over athleticism and slashing. For the needs for this years team, I don't think the staff chose wrong.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 10, 2014 12:56:40 GMT -5
We went for size and 3-pt shooting over athleticism and slashing. For the needs for this years team, I don't think the staff chose wrong. Well he shot 33% from three while Cameron shot 30%...
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 10, 2014 12:59:32 GMT -5
Kenny Anderson simply wanted a phone call from JT after accepting the fact that Thompson was not going to pay him a visit. JT would not do it. Thought Anderson should contact him first. Anderson was a. Hoya fanatic but he had his pride. JT blew it.
Grant went to every home game of Gtown. Grant lived in Northern Virginia and had to travel to Landover, Md to do so. grant wore 33 because he idolized Ewing. Yes JT offered him a schoollie but he badly handled a recruit that was his for the taking.
Francis tried to destroy every Hoya he faced in the NBA his first few years because he was bitter that JT never offered him a scholarship.
Williamson NEVER got an offer from JT and remained confused by that considering he favored the Hoyas.
Those are major misses. It is sad that Hart sat behind the bench of Hoya games all those years without getting a school lie. He's a good player. But major miss? Don''t know about that.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 10, 2014 12:59:54 GMT -5
We went for size and 3-pt shooting over athleticism and slashing. For the needs for this years team, I don't think the staff chose wrong. Domingo is an inch taller than Hart and was in his Jr. year of HS... Domingo is already a big "miscalculation" on JT3's resume but once it's coupled with passing on Hart who will be a very solid 4 year player it looks much worse...
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 10, 2014 13:06:10 GMT -5
A "very solid" four year player is not exactly what I'm thinking of when it comes to a major miss. But perhaps I'm wrong. I know. Let's wait a couple of years before we conclude if this was a MAJOR error on III's part. I recall people jumping the gun claiming Scottie Reynolds was a major miss even though III was waiting on Chris Wright for the following season.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 10, 2014 13:09:28 GMT -5
We went for size and 3-pt shooting over athleticism and slashing. For the needs for this years team, I don't think the staff chose wrong. Well he shot 33% from three while Cameron shot 30%... Hindsight is always 20/20...what were their senior year HS percentages. And Etomic, in my mind it was Cameron or Hart, not Domingo or Hart.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 10, 2014 13:23:04 GMT -5
Well he shot 33% from three while Cameron shot 30%... Hindsight is always 20/20...what were their senior year HS percentages. And Etomic, in my mind it was Cameron or Hart, not Domingo or Hart. It looks that way because they're in different classes but Domingo was taken over Hart.. I remember reading an article where Josh said something to the effect of "now that G'town has Domingo I'm not sure where I stand"
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 10, 2014 13:43:03 GMT -5
A "very solid" four year player is not exactly what I'm thinking of when it comes to a major miss. But perhaps I'm wrong. I know. Let's wait a couple of years before we conclude if this was a MAJOR error on III's part. I recall people jumping the gun claiming Scottie Reynolds was a major miss even though III was waiting on Chris Wright for the following season. You're right MCI, using the word "major" was too strong but it was definitely a miss considering how poor this roster is right now.. The program needs solid ball players to build on.. Besides DSR what underclassmen on the Hoyas roster would you term as solid?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 10, 2014 13:46:20 GMT -5
Well he shot 33% from three while Cameron shot 30%... Hindsight is always 20/20...what were their senior year HS percentages. And Etomic, in my mind it was Cameron or Hart, not Domingo or Hart. Hart was the best player in the DC area his senior year, so I don't know how you could really turn that down, regardless of what we were going for in terms of roster composition. Still happy with next year's class. This year's team would've been better with Hart, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 13:49:23 GMT -5
Kenny Anderson simply wanted a phone call from JT after accepting the fact that Thompson was not going to pay him a visit. JT would not do it. Thought Anderson should contact him first. Anderson was a. Hoya fanatic but he had his pride. JT blew it. Grant went to every home game of Gtown. Grant lived in Northern Virginia and had to travel to Landover, Md to do so. grant wore 33 because he idolized Ewing. Yes JT offered him a schoollie but he badly handled a recruit that was his for the taking. Francis tried to destroy every Hoya he faced in the NBA his first few years because he was bitter that JT never offered him a scholarship. Williamson NEVER got an offer from JT and remained confused by that considering he favored the Hoyas. Those are major misses. It is sad that Hart sat behind the bench of Hoya games all those years without getting a school lie. He's a good player. But major miss? Don''t know about that. MCI, you might have more inside knowledge into the backstory but here's the official story on a couple guys: Kenny Anderson www.nytimes.com/1988/11/28/sports/the-recruiting-of-kenny-anderson-star-stands-firm-with-his-decision.htmlCorliss csnbbs.com/thread-12119.htmlHill: too many links to note, just google "Grant Hill Georgetown" for the Mary Fenlon story. Anyway, I stand by my original point that there is a difference between mishandling a recruit that you want and consciously not offering and turning him away. One can hardly fault Grant Hill for going to Duke after back to back titles and with his dad preferring Duke. (His mom did like Georgetown, perhaps the beginning of the mom like Gtown myth) I think all the points here are interesting ones: MCI, I agree this isn't a miss that will haunt the program. May even end up for the best because we're getting Peak who is the best prospect of all the players IMHO. But there is an argument to be made -- because all of these recruiting decisions were made before we got Peak -- that we misevaluated Hart in comparison to Cameron. I will say, I take the 3 point shooting with a grain of salt-- Cameron was on a team where the opposition gameplanned to take away the perimeter whereas Hart plays on a team where he is often overlooked in the scouting report and gets a lot of open looks from open kicks from Nova's penetrators and big men. Etomic makes a good point about the biggest miscalculation was taking Domingo a year early, because that trade is a no-brainer. We've learned the hard way that taking a guy a year early gets players acquainted to the system but it also gives us less time to make evaluations. I do think there are some takeaways here that can be applied for the Josh Reaves situation....
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Post by dense on Mar 10, 2014 14:37:24 GMT -5
Chris Jackson(Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) should have been a Hoya too. He would have been on that 89 team. I have heard and read him saying he wanted to come here badly but picked LSU instead then whooped our ass that season preventing us from being #1.
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