jester
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Post by jester on Oct 9, 2012 12:55:53 GMT -5
it will be like a shadow Hoya team with Tyrone Johnson, Hart, and Ochefu.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Oct 9, 2012 13:43:00 GMT -5
it will be like a shadow Hoya team with Tyrone Johnson, Hart, and Ochefu. exactly what I was thinking. Ty Johnson probably won't even be featured this year.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 10, 2012 16:45:48 GMT -5
Have to admit this one bothers me.. I get that the staff signed a very good player in Domingo but I still would have liked to see them pull Josh also.. Oh well insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=2464Villanova needed Hart because of the way he impacts games. Wright spent the bulk of his summer on Hart and Jenkins, not the Harrison Twins or even local guard Rysheed Jordan (Philadelphia, Pa./Vaux Roberts). The Villanova staff identified Hart as a producer, the type of kid who got things done no matter the circumstances. “He’s tough as nails,” Team Takeover CEO Keith Stevens said. “For me, he’s a lot like Wes Matthews when he was coming out and going to Marquette. He’s got that physical body, didn’t have the best handle but like Josh, he knew how to get work done. He’s going to develop. He’s a decent shooter but his work ethic will help him be special.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Oct 10, 2012 16:49:09 GMT -5
wasn't a good fit. a better J, handle and no Brilly and maybe he's a Hoya. My take.
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Post by NoBoumtjeInTheYaYaRoom on Oct 10, 2012 17:03:02 GMT -5
Hart was Gtowns if they wanted him. Can't fault the staff for passing on a likely role type player with similar skill-set to Jabril for, in my opinion, a kid with one of the purest strokes I've ever seen in Domingo.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 10, 2012 17:41:40 GMT -5
Hart was Gtowns if they wanted him. Can't fault the staff for passing on a likely role type player with similar skill-set to Jabril for, in my opinion, a kid with one of the purest strokes I've ever seen in Domingo. I can't see anything wrong with having 2 hard nosed type players on the team at the same time..
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 10, 2012 18:27:14 GMT -5
Good kid, good player and good hoya fan. In the end, we didn't need him and we didn't pursue him. DSR, Brilly, Domingo more than fill the bill.
Btw, he'll never be Wes Mathews.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 10, 2012 19:26:07 GMT -5
Hart was Gtowns if they wanted him. Can't fault the staff for passing on a likely role type player with similar skill-set to Jabril for, in my opinion, a kid with one of the purest strokes I've ever seen in Domingo. I don't really have a problem with taking Domingo instead, if it was a one or the other situation. But then we took Cameron which seemed weird.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 10, 2012 20:52:16 GMT -5
to be fair Cameron is slightly higher ranked than Hart. 84 vs. 87 and is more of a fit for Georgetown's offense.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 10, 2012 20:58:37 GMT -5
to be fair Cameron is slightly higher ranked than Hart. 84 vs. 87 and is more of a fit for Georgetown's offense. I think you're kind of splitting hairs with the ranking argument, "to be fair" or not. And I agree, I think Cameron probably fits better on the offensive end. But not defensively, at all. Plus he's much more like Domingo than Hart is. Not saying we should've taken Hart after Domingo, but I would've preferred someone who could play the 1 after we took Domingo.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Oct 11, 2012 0:16:42 GMT -5
I'm still laughing at the thought of Jay Wright "ignoring" the Harrison Twins to recruit Kris Jenkins and Josh Hart. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read and then again--it does explain Nova's program and where it's at. Jay Wright had less of a chance with Twins then teams that didn't make the final "fake" list of 5.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 11, 2012 11:21:09 GMT -5
I'm still laughing at the thought of Jay Wright "ignoring" the Harrison Twins to recruit Kris Jenkins and Josh Hart. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read and then again--it does explain Nova's program and where it's at. Jay Wright had less of a chance with Twins then teams that didn't make the final "fake" list of 5. Well, to be fair (sort of) to Wright, Nova had no chance with the twins anyway, so why waste resources on them? Of course, he could have put it a little more artfully than to say he ignored them.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Oct 11, 2012 13:42:30 GMT -5
grandiose on Wright's part. Hart isn't the "bully" that Brilly is and to be honest neither is Brilly....Lol...I have no problem with either Domingo or Cameron because they can shoot. As you guys know shooters thrive in this offense. Wanting a pure 1 is fine, but will never happen in this offense. You will continue to see combos. Someone said earlier; III is trying to have mismatches all over the court, but especially on the perimeter.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Oct 11, 2012 23:45:52 GMT -5
grandiose on Wright's part. Hart isn't the "bully" that Brilly is and to be honest neither is Brilly....Lol...I have no problem with either Domingo or Cameron because they can shoot. As you guys know shooters thrive in this offense. Wanting a pure 1 is fine, but will never happen in this offense. You will continue to see combos. Someone said earlier; III is trying to have mismatches all over the court, but especially on the perimeter. Rather have quickness/speed advantage on perimeter and don't mind being taller on perimeter--but not to sacrifice speed/athleticism.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 12, 2012 2:26:38 GMT -5
grandiose on Wright's part. Hart isn't the "bully" that Brilly is and to be honest neither is Brilly....Lol...I have no problem with either Domingo or Cameron because they can shoot. As you guys know shooters thrive in this offense. Wanting a pure 1 is fine, but will never happen in this offense. You will continue to see combos. Someone said earlier; III is trying to have mismatches all over the court, but especially on the perimeter. Rather have quickness/speed advantage on perimeter and don't mind being taller on perimeter--but not to sacrifice speed/athleticism. Which is the problem with taking Cameron after taking Domingo. Just doesn't make much sense. I would've rather had another big and a combo guard like Peters.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Oct 12, 2012 8:21:12 GMT -5
Rather have quickness/speed advantage on perimeter and don't mind being taller on perimeter--but not to sacrifice speed/athleticism. Which is the problem with taking Cameron after taking Domingo. Just doesn't make much sense. I would've rather had another big and a combo guard like Peters. So would I, but exactly how would we have gotten Peters?
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Oct 12, 2012 12:24:29 GMT -5
Peters comments early on gave heavy indication he wasn't liking what Georgetown offered. He mentioned the "fit"-aka style of play which he preferred and role in offense he preferred. None of it was what Georgetown does. He got his feelings hurt by Maryland that they slow played him and played "hard to get" but in end he'll go there.
Hart got recruited over by Georgetown and with Domingo--I fully understand, rather have Domingo--and that's based on seeing Hart play and not seeing Domingo in person--but Domingo is taller/more skilled, and has bigger upside.
Reggie Cameron was head scratcher to me. Very good shooter if wide open but very one dimensional.
The versatility IDHoya talks about is great--if it's like the '06-'08 teams in terms of athleticism or '12 and this year's team. Good quickness/versatility at SF spots. That's ideal. Cameron isn't in that mold at all.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Oct 12, 2012 13:06:11 GMT -5
I saw Hart a bunch last year. I wasn't ever wow'd but I didn't think he was bad either. It's hard to say but I'm not crying over Hart going to Villanova. I wish him well. Well, most of the time.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 12, 2012 14:11:59 GMT -5
Peters comments early on gave heavy indication he wasn't liking what Georgetown offered. He mentioned the "fit"-aka style of play which he preferred and role in offense he preferred. None of it was what Georgetown does. He got his feelings hurt by Maryland that they slow played him and played "hard to get" but in end he'll go there. Hart got recruited over by Georgetown and with Domingo--I fully understand, rather have Domingo--and that's based on seeing Hart play and not seeing Domingo in person--but Domingo is taller/more skilled, and has bigger upside. Reggie Cameron was head scratcher to me. Very good shooter if wide open but very one dimensional. The versatility IDHoya talks about is great--if it's like the '06-'08 teams in terms of athleticism or '12 and this year's team. Good quickness/versatility at SF spots. That's ideal. Cameron isn't in that mold at all. All of this is exactly what I was saying. I'm not saying we needed Peters, but in the place of Cameron I would've liked someone, anyone, who could play the one. Hart is just production. I don't know if he does any one thing well, but he'll be a great rebounding 2/3 in college and he's just production all day. He'll be solid at Nova.
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Oct 12, 2012 14:39:11 GMT -5
I would rather have had a big or a combo, but as I said and what I meant was I have no problem cause Cameron ca shoot. Now, that is more effective if you have an in the middle like Roy and a skilled four like Jeff; maybe Hayes is III's idea of Roy and JWIII is his ideal Jeff clone. It seems the team is being structure that way, while being filled in with other "pieces" that will help or at the very least be a stop gap until more desirable players become available. Maybe Meeks is the 4/5, I have no clue, but I'll never turn down shooters.
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