idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Sept 20, 2011 10:35:39 GMT -5
Kyle's dad said if it weren't UCLA then Kyle would've played in NJ. So seems like many posters and experts were correct in saying that the Hoyas have been out of it for a while.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Sept 20, 2011 10:40:21 GMT -5
In the end Anderson strung several coaches along, coaches that had been following him along and communicating with him and his family for years, then finally settled on the location where he could go after the women in bikinis on the beach of Santa Monica. For all the accolades about how well he and his family conducted themselves, I disagree. He certainly did know there were some schools that were not in the running yet he (and his family) allowed these coaches to spend their time and money in what he knew was futile. And he orchestrated it all by announcing he would declare on his birthday thereby setting up a long time of uncertainty for all concerned. Better to have said nothing, then to announce his decision. So, he chose to go to UCLA because of the Santa Monica girls in bikinis... His family and he knew he wasn't going to certain schools but purposefully strung them along... They orchestrated this whole thing... Making an awful lot of negative assumptions about a kid and his family whom you know nothing about. You don't know what he and his family told the coaches and you know nothing about what was going on throughout the whole process, yet you choose to assume the worst and publicly demean the kid and his family. Says more about you than it does about them. Stay classy.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 20, 2011 11:06:54 GMT -5
Seriously? He named a date. Took his visits. Stuck to his plan. He visited Georgetown less than 2 weeks ago! This was a circus because he's that good and everyone wanted a piece of him. The family didn't draw it out, didn't leak info, barely talked to reporters, had nice things to say about all the schools etc. If every recruitment was this orderly, this board would be a much less panicky place.
And the stuff about girls in bikinis? First, there ain't nothin' wrong with girls in bikini on Santa Monica beach. Second, UCLA is a great program and good school. I'm bummed Kyle didn't choose Georgetown but I have no complaints over how he handled the process.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Sept 20, 2011 11:24:04 GMT -5
I understand both sides here. And perhaps Ed went a little hard on the judgment of the family, but lets not act for a moment GTown was in it towards the end bc we were not. I have no issue with how Kyle handled his recruitment, but I will say that at the point where Gtown was a long shot to no shot, if that information was passed along, it could have saved energy and money. As his father stated, it came down to SH and UCLA. Cant imagine that it hadnt been a two team race for a few weeks at least.
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 20, 2011 11:31:19 GMT -5
The decision isn't made until it's made. Let's say the staff learned a week ago that he was leaning towards UCLA or SHU. Do you give up on the best player in the class and a perfect fit who you have been recruiting for 3 years, or do you keep up the push just a few weeks more and try to change his mind? Frankly, they'd be insane not to keep trying up until the point he tells them he's definitely not going to be a Hoya. And I'm not sure I'd even stop at that point given the time we put in.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Sept 20, 2011 11:39:18 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping this thread would be Kyle free. Move on people. He chose a different school. Its over.
Its about who's next now.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Sept 20, 2011 11:44:52 GMT -5
Hope springs eternal. It hasnt been a day yet drd. Besides the title of the thread is "Anderson Saga Over." Why would you think Kyle wouldnt be mentioned, the day of his announcement, Sept. 20?!
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Sept 20, 2011 11:46:16 GMT -5
Ed and others--this is no different then 95% of the other recruitments that take place--and if anything--Georgetown just figured "we've been involved this long--might as well see out to the end...." so it's up to them whether they chose to move on or not-but saying he chose UCLA because of bikini clad women is a bit of an assumption and I don't care for being PC so if that did play a factor--better that then bikini brief wearing men.
UCLA is the best program in history of the sport-championship wise--and since Hoyas claim the '80's like it was yesterday--can't fault UCLA for doing same and in recent history their coach has been successful both on court and in having players that have gone on and been successful in NBA.
What's next for Hoya--finish strong with this class and eventually promote Broadus to hit the trail with Kirby and eventually they'll win some of these battles they've been losing--kind of like they did when III was first hired.
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Post by KennaHoya on Sept 20, 2011 11:58:32 GMT -5
Only problem with the handling of this recruitment is that the new age electronic media, from blogs to those who stalk high school seniors and post and twitter, got carried away, and the family either couldn't or didn't want to slow it down. And this is nothing against the 58 pages on this board that were dedicated to Kyle Anderson, and nothing against those who posted (OK, there were a few visitors who brought the stalking sea this way).
As for what is next, there is at least one bigger subject that has to be addressed as part of those efforts. I think which '12s or '13s come our way is in the wake of that effort.
Not exactly the "recruiting" direction you probably are looking, but how about this: I think what is next is Otto Porter. His game is remarkably like what people prophesized for KA; maybe a little less likely to dominate the ball and probably a little stronger on the boards and more athletic - but long and able to do a large number of things. I would not want to put too many expectations on him; after all, neither he nor KA has played a legitimate college game yet. I know Otto wasn't the focus of all things high school recruiting for months like KA, but he sure is next, and I think we will be glad he is . . . .
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Sept 20, 2011 12:02:34 GMT -5
Now that's the kind of post I was hoping for KennaHoya. Otto Porter indeed.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 20, 2011 13:07:28 GMT -5
I'm rather fed up with being on the list of next years recruits and always whiffing. Painful. I disagree completely (well, not on the whiffing part). If you look at the guys listing the Hoyas, you repeatedly see our name alongside the same bunch of brand name programs. We're a lot closer to being Kansas than we are to being SHU. Enough über-elite prospects still consider Georgetown a program worth paying lipservice to, and if we keep sustaining that perception, then it's going to increase the likelihood that we bring in guys who are better than our recent post-season performance would suggest that we're capable of landing. With that said though, sucessfully getting commitments from somebody perceived as great by his peers this year and next year is absolutely essential to forestalling this notion that Georgetown's precarious conference situation means that we're no longer a viable program for blue-chip recruits. If there was ever a year where we cannot walk away empty-handed, it's this one.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 20, 2011 14:06:53 GMT -5
In the end Anderson strung several coaches along, coaches that had been following him along and communicating with him and his family for years, then finally settled on the location where he could go after the women in bikinis on the beach of Santa Monica. For all the accolades about how well he and his family conducted themselves, I disagree. He certainly did know there were some schools that were not in the running yet he (and his family) allowed these coaches to spend their time and money in what he knew was futile. And he orchestrated it all by announcing he would declare on his birthday thereby setting up a long time of uncertainty for all concerned. Better to have said nothing, then to announce his decision. So, he chose to go to UCLA because of the Santa Monica girls in bikinis... His family and he knew he wasn't going to certain schools but purposefully strung them along... They orchestrated this whole thing... Making an awful lot of negative assumptions about a kid and his family whom you know nothing about. You don't know what he and his family told the coaches and you know nothing about what was going on throughout the whole process, yet you choose to assume the worst and publicly demean the kid and his family. Says more about you than it does about them. Stay classy. What he said.....
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 20, 2011 16:07:04 GMT -5
A thread 2 pgs long about what's next for the Hoyas and not one TP mention. Is it assumed that he will be the Bosh of the Bruineattles.............?
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Post by bicentennial on Sept 20, 2011 16:10:22 GMT -5
I agree that the conference change thing is scary but that the one place Georgetown without question has the ability to keep our program relevant is on the basketball court. While our team this year will be extremely young, I for one am extremely excited to see what a team with an average height of 6'7" can do on the court. There may be times this year when we have no one under 6'5" on the court and we could play a 6'5" and a 6'7" guard as well as 3 forward/centers above 6'9". Regardless of what is going on with football and the conference realignments, if Georgetown is winning basketball games in the next few years we will be in a better position. Recruiting wise, there are still many kids on the board and Georgetown has many of the top uncommited players listing us. I also would remind that even though Anderson has committed and did so to one of his two schools not in the Big East, he did so on a day when the Big East was imploding. If the Big East rises like a sphynx in some form, similar kids considering the Big East schools next year will likely end up at a Big East school. Finally, I think that for once we should get some decent calls from the refs this year when we play Pitt and Syracuse.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Sept 20, 2011 16:25:01 GMT -5
I mentioned Parker in the OP (I assumed he'd be a Bruin, or at least go anywhere but here).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 20, 2011 16:25:07 GMT -5
I agree that the conference change thing is scary but that the one place Georgetown without question has the ability to keep our program relevant is on the basketball court. While our team this year will be extremely young, I for one am extremely excited to see what a team with an average height of 6'7" can do on the court. There may be times this year when we have no one under 6'5" on the court and we could play a 6'5" and a 6'7" guard as well as 3 forward/centers above 6'9". Regardless of what is going on with football and the conference realignments, if Georgetown is winning basketball games in the next few years we will be in a better position. Recruiting wise, there are still many kids on the board and Georgetown has many of the top uncommited players listing us. I also would remind that even though Anderson has committed and did so to one of his two schools not in the Big East, he did so on a day when the Big East was imploding. If the Big East rises like a sphynx in some form, similar kids considering the Big East schools next year will likely end up at a Big East school. Finally, I think that for once we should get some decent calls from the refs this year when we play Pitt and Syracuse. Sorry, the refs will be auditioning to get into the ACC if they see the Big East fading away . . .
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 20, 2011 21:02:02 GMT -5
Barring a quick and reasonably favorable resolution to the conference situation, whomever will wait until the spring to commit. I don't think it's being fatalistic to acknowledge that top recruits won't be committing to any of the Big East holdovers until the conference situation is resolved. So while I love Pollard and Warren (and Parker), I expect them to land elsewhere unless they wait. That leaves Upshaw among the leading players we are on.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 27, 2011 16:49:29 GMT -5
So, with DSR apparently stringing us along (per idhoya's views based on the article by ron from Hoyareport) and Tony Parker dropping us, where does that leave the 2012 class (except looking more and more like it'll need some spring magic like the 2011 class)? We're still players for Warren & Upshaw, right? I understand Upshaw is leaning spring, but is Warren planning on pulling the trigger this fall (around Midnight Madness maybe?)? And if not Warren, is there anyone else who might realistically commit to Georgetown this fall (Pollard?)
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Post by gtowndynasty on Sept 27, 2011 16:55:40 GMT -5
So, with DSR apparently stringing us along (per idhoya's views based on the article by ron from Hoyareport) and Tony Parker dropping us, where does that leave the 2012 class (except looking more and more like it'll need some spring magic like the 2011 class)? We're still players for Warren & Upshaw, right? I understand Upshaw is leaning spring, but is Warren planning on pulling the trigger this fall (around Midnight Madness maybe?)? And if not Warren, is there anyone else who might realistically commit to Georgetown this fall (Pollard?) Well TBird, a bunch of highly regarded recruits are listing us in 2012... Gotta get some magic brewing. Can salvage this class, but definitely not gonna be what we envisioned a year ago. I hope that we can pull in at least one of the guys we targeted without having to travel too far off the path we were carving out.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Sept 27, 2011 17:22:13 GMT -5
I don't know dynasty. I think a bunch of highly regarded recruits wereee listing us. In terms of highly regarded recruits listing us now, I'd say DSR (who may be playing us), Warren, Pollard, and Upshaw. If we pull one of Warren or Pollard, and then add Upshaw, that would be the only way that this class is salvaged in my opinion. However, I am open to the fact that we could have a lucky spring again. Its just not highly likely.
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