|
Post by dphoya on Jul 25, 2011 16:01:25 GMT -5
|
|
HoyaPride
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 484
|
Post by HoyaPride on Jul 25, 2011 19:07:15 GMT -5
96 team was special.
|
|
lichoya68
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
Posts: 17,440
|
Post by lichoya68 on Jul 25, 2011 19:21:32 GMT -5
yup also remember 3-23 year and also the laska years when we were GLAD to go to the nit and etc etec gohoyas i believe victor scored like one million points and won mvp in the big east tourney and i thinks we lost but memory is kinda weak here go hoyas
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Jul 25, 2011 19:36:52 GMT -5
yup also remember 3-23 year and also the laska years when we were GLAD to go to the nit and etc etec gohoyas i believe victor scored like one million points and won mvp in the big east tourney and i thinks we lost but memory is kinda weak here go hoyas Your memory is not weak. You just said you remember the 3-23 year. It's all an act.
|
|
guru
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,605
|
Post by guru on Jul 25, 2011 19:41:33 GMT -5
Not really. They had a good season, but let's not gloss over the fact that they hideously choked away the Big East Tourney and then were completely unprepared and outclassed in the Elite Eight humiliation at the hands of UMass. It was one of JT Jr's best collections of talent but there was nothing all that special about the results of that season.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,331
|
Post by tashoya on Jul 26, 2011 7:16:48 GMT -5
Interesting article but I don't share the same feelings about Victor. I remember thinking at the time that he left that he was making a huge mistake (while hoping I was wrong about that). I never held him responsible for the decline of the program. After he got shot in the eye I really hoped that the program would find a place for him as an advisor to the kids about what path not to take. There have been stories over the years about him on campus and things or that sort that make me think that he really would like to find a way to get back to Georgetown basketball.
|
|
Boz
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
123 Fireballs!
Posts: 10,355
|
Post by Boz on Jul 26, 2011 8:36:41 GMT -5
Feel free to correct me on this -- anyone -- but I don't think Victor really left by choice, tas.
At least not entirely so.
But, like lichoya, my memory is hazy like the moors of Scotland.
|
|
|
Post by bronxhoya87 on Jul 26, 2011 8:37:50 GMT -5
1996 was a really frustrating year. We got destroyed plenty of times that year. Not really. They had a good season, but let's not gloss over the fact that they hideously choked away the Big East Tourney and then were completely unprepared and outclassed in the Elite Eight humiliation at the hands of UMass. It was one of JT Jr's best collections of talent but there was nothing all that special about the results of that season.
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Jul 26, 2011 9:20:25 GMT -5
Not really. They had a good season, but let's not gloss over the fact that they hideously choked away the Big East Tourney and then were completely unprepared and outclassed in the Elite Eight humiliation at the hands of UMass. It was one of JT Jr's best collections of talent but there was nothing all that special about the results of that season. I wouldn't say they choked it away as much as JT2 going into a prevent offense lost it.
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,331
|
Post by tashoya on Jul 26, 2011 9:28:40 GMT -5
Boz,
You could be right. I don't recall hearing anything other than Vic deciding to leave but now I'm curious.
|
|
BigmanU
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 915
|
Post by BigmanU on Jul 26, 2011 9:54:12 GMT -5
Victor's sophmore season 1997 was going to be his last in a Hoya uniform. After that year he was going to play professionally (NBA or other) one way or another. I can't elaborate anymore but, coming back for his Junior season was not in the cards.
I wish he was part of the program somehow. He definately keeps tabs on us. If anyone has a chance to meet him. He's a great dude.
|
|
hoyaclap
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 202
|
Post by hoyaclap on Jul 27, 2011 15:32:19 GMT -5
So the new poster dphoya "found" an article written by someone named Dalton Patterson? No need for planted articles, dude. it was a good read anyway. But, I agree with the commenter on your post that the freshman class after Page was (while disappointing) still highly touted. Also, McKinley is in Northeast, not Southeast.
|
|
tgo
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 803
|
Post by tgo on Jul 28, 2011 11:49:40 GMT -5
page would not have been academically eligible as a junior and while no one thought he had a chance at the nba as a soph (i dont recall anyone predicting him as a possible late first round pick) leaving looked like his only option. 96 team was talented and a lot of fun at times but extremely frustrating and never lived up to its potential - which i put on the coach. as the writer says, Vic was awesome but in 97 he was doing it mostly by himself and it showed, the recruits the next year were not terrible but perry never lived up to it and brunner was legit but was certainly not the "charachter" type player the writer claims we began to focus on, and we lost him as a result more than a little overboard saying that Page is even remoted related to/responsible for the demise of the program, again, that all falls on the coach in this instance
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,331
|
Post by tashoya on Jul 28, 2011 12:08:05 GMT -5
Tgo, thanks for the info. Agree completely on your assessment of Vic vis a vis the decline of the program.
|
|
Hoyaholic
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 748
|
Post by Hoyaholic on Jul 28, 2011 12:21:47 GMT -5
page would not have been academically eligible as a junior and while no one thought he had a chance at the nba as a soph (i dont recall anyone predicting him as a possible late first round pick) leaving looked like his only option. 96 team was talented and a lot of fun at times but extremely frustrating and never lived up to its potential - which i put on the coach. as the writer says, Vic was awesome but in 97 he was doing it mostly by himself and it showed, the recruits the next year were not terrible but perry never lived up to it and brunner was legit but was certainly not the "charachter" type player the writer claims we began to focus on, and we lost him as a result more than a little overboard saying that Page is even remoted related to/responsible for the demise of the program, again, that all falls on the coach in this instance My recollection is that Brunner was the president of his senior class in high school and had SAT scores that were 1100+. He was supposed to be the definition of a "character guy". His departure and subsequent samurai incident were just plain bizzarre and just goes to show that when it comes to recruiting you just never know. JTII said himself publicly after the team's runs in '95 and '96 that he had slacked on recruiting, and that he would rededicate himself. A '98 team with AP, Brunner, RBB, Jahidi White and Shernard Long could have been awesome; instead it just blew up from transfers, injuries & eligibility issues. That appeared to break JTII's spirit and as we all know he bailed a few games into the BE schedule the following season. Long story short - Victor Page did not tank the Hoya program.
|
|
DFW HOYA
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,777
|
Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 28, 2011 12:23:28 GMT -5
JTII said himself publicly after the team's runs in '95 and '96 that he had slacked on recruiting, and that he would rededicate himself. A '98 team with AP, Brunner, RBB, Jahidi White and Shernard Long could have been awesome; instead it just blew up from transfers, injuries & eligibility issues. That appeared to break JTII's spirit and as we all know he bailed a few games into the BE schedule the following season. Recruiting began to struggle years earlier, probably around the time Georgetown was a top choice for Dennis Scott, Kenny Anderson, and Grant Hill and went 0-3. as the writer says, Vic was awesome but in 97 he was doing it mostly by himself and it showed, the recruits the next year were not terrible but perry never lived up to it and brunner was legit but was certainly not the "charachter" type player the writer claims we began to focus on, and we lost him as a result Perry was not eligible in 1997-98 over the question over his computer science course at St. Anthony's. The real turning point was Jahidi White's injury after 12 games, leaving a thin starting lineup of Boubacar Aw, Jameel Watkins, Trez Kilpatrick, Joe Touomou, and Nat Burton. There's a school of thought that Georgetown basketball caught a break by Brunner's sudden plane flight to Fresno. Anyone who remember the story of Brunner's meeting with Los Angeles City College coach Mike Miller would be concerned in hindsight. www.socalhoops.tierranet.com/archive/prepnotes/598/brun527.htm
|
|
idhoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,177
|
Post by idhoya on Jul 28, 2011 16:39:33 GMT -5
Also, Hoyas lost to Charlotte, not Tennessee, in the '97 tourney, which turned out to be Victor's last game.
The '96 season was filled with excitement and frustration. I remember the blowout of Ga Tech at US Air and the loss to Az at MSG. Ray Allen's crazy shot at the BE Finals and JYD's subsequent miss of a chippy at the other end. Gave that one away.
I miss all the glory years of the past, but cbb has changed and you're not intimidating/punking these kids of today. The best medicine now is to just win.
|
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Jul 28, 2011 17:00:06 GMT -5
Also, Hoyas lost to Charlotte, not Tennessee, in the '97 tourney, which turned out to be Victor's last game. The '96 season was filled with excitement and frustration. I remember the blowout of Ga Tech at US Air and the loss to Az at MSG. Ray Allen's crazy shot at the BE Finals and JYD's subsequent miss of a chippy at the other end. Gave that one away. I miss all the glory years of the past, but cbb has changed and you're not intimidating/punking these kids of today. The best medicine now is to just win. GU beat GT at MSG in NYC.
|
|
|
Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jul 29, 2011 9:33:08 GMT -5
Victor Page was on the Hilltop in McDonough on Sunday...
|
|
idhoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,177
|
Post by idhoya on Jul 29, 2011 21:41:51 GMT -5
thanx kc. I thought it was a US Air.
|
|