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Post by Dhall on Apr 15, 2011 16:16:25 GMT -5
Right, Vee only made 52% if his two point shots, 60% of his three point shots, all 6 of his free throws, was fifth on the team in steals despite limited minutes, and had a flat A/TO ratio. And this was not in garbage time against bad teams. The kid produced when given the opportunity. I find it hard to believe that on-court issues are what caused this transfer. Not much of a sample size there. I'm just saying let's not be revisionists and turn this kid into some kind of stud. He was bench help for us and wasn't going to be much more during his time here - and I trust JT3, who watched him practice for 2 years, more than I trust message board GMs. I wish he had turned out to be more productive for us. He didn't, and now he's gone. Again, the players we have coming in make this one much easier to take. I trust game performance as opposed to practices that nobody here has ever seen. I trust the ability of returning juniors who have performed even in a small sample size compared to high school seniors.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 15, 2011 16:17:39 GMT -5
As I posted above, please refrain from speculating on possible off-court or academic issues with a student athlete when there is no basis to do so. It is patently unfair to the student.
Let me also remind you that as yet there has been no confirmation of this from either the student or the program.
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Post by guru on Apr 15, 2011 16:18:19 GMT -5
Not much of a sample size there. I'm just saying let's not be revisionists and turn this kid into some kind of stud. He was bench help for us and wasn't going to be much more during his time here - and I trust JT3, who watched him practice for 2 years, more than I trust message board GMs. I wish he had turned out to be more productive for us. He didn't, and now he's gone. Again, the players we have coming in make this one much easier to take. I trust game performance as opposed to practices that nobody here has ever seen. I trust the ability of returning juniors who have performed even in a small sample size compared to high school seniors. I also trust JTIII, and that is why I trust that the reasons Vee wasn't playing more and is leaving now relate to off-court issues. But I don't know, and neither do you know that it was because he was not going to be more than a bench player. Fair enough - but since none of us have any idea about a player's off-court issues (or if we do this board is not the place for it), I'm simply analyzing how I think this will affect the team on the court next season.
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Post by zurihoya on Apr 15, 2011 16:26:57 GMT -5
Vee's floater against the Cuse will always hold a special place in my heart. Agreed. Taking that much longer to get into the basket made it that much sweeter.
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Apr 15, 2011 16:36:50 GMT -5
I trust game performance as opposed to practices that nobody here has ever seen. I trust the ability of returning juniors who have performed even in a small sample size compared to high school seniors. I also trust JTIII, and that is why I trust that the reasons Vee wasn't playing more and is leaving now relate to off-court issues. But I don't know, and neither do you know that it was because he was not going to be more than a bench player. Fair enough - but since none of us have any idea about a player's off-court issues (or if we do this board is not the place for it), I'm simply analyzing how I think this will affect the team on the court next season. OK, but we are now even shorter on guards who have shown they can score. Markel did not show much in his limited time.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 15, 2011 16:38:06 GMT -5
Really disappointed in this news. I wish this kid well wherever he goes. Although I was aware that someone had to go, I had hoped it would not be Vee. I have no idea how he practiced and assume that something was missing as far as the coach was concerned. However, for whatever reason, Vee and Henry both suffered from a very short leash with JT III, but Vee's was shorter than Henry's because the coach had great options at the shooting guard position. I was shocked at his lack of opportunity when Chris went down, but again perhaps the coach saw something we don't. I believe he will flourish elsewhere and I hope that we never play his new team.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 15, 2011 16:47:03 GMT -5
Feels like when Vernon transferred. A guy who had shown some flashes but hadn't really gotten PT and the lack of PT was explained by playing behind senior stars. Then right on the cusp of becoming a contributor, they transfer. Hope Vee finds as much success as Vernon did, but can't say it didn't annoy me at times watching Vernon this year thinking what might have been had he stayed (and yes I realize he would've graduated last year).
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Post by prhoya on Apr 15, 2011 16:54:12 GMT -5
Vee's main issue has always been about playing time. He saw himself as getting big minutes from soph on. But, he was not going to sit JC, AF and CW this year. Then, MS leapfrogged him for PT because JT3 needed a PG. Now, the question is/was: how much PT would he get next year? If JT# stays true to form, ahead of him are JC (next year's team captain) and MS (true PG), plus HT who wants and will get time at the 2. MS probably will play around 30-35 mins and JC's time will depend on him getting his form back and improving his handle, not anyone else. There's no doubt that HT will get time at the 2 the next two years. So, if this transfer is true, it's understandable and I'll wish him the best.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 15, 2011 16:57:51 GMT -5
Just thinking about the ramifications for next year it is incredible what a young team the Hoyas will be. Tyler, Greg, Otto, Jabril and Hopkins will be freshmen, Bowen a redshirt Freshman, Markel, Nate and Moses will be Sophomores, Benimon and Thompson Juniors, and Clark and Henry Seniors. Caprio will also be a sophomore. Four upperclassmen is really a small number. Other than Markel and Nate, the other 7 underclassmen have no collegiate experience. It will be a test of JT III's and assistants' skills to see how the team progresses from the beginning of the year until the end. Patience is the operative word for December.
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Post by newporthoya on Apr 15, 2011 17:24:28 GMT -5
I wish Vee good luck. I really saw alot of potential in Vee and thought he would have played more last season. If it's true about him going to VT, great. Tech will be a much better team with Green, Vee, and Finney-Smith in the backcourt....................
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 15, 2011 17:32:58 GMT -5
Just thinking about the ramifications for next year it is incredible what a young team the Hoyas will be. Tyler, Greg, Otto, Jabril and Hopkins will be freshmen, Bowen a redshirt Freshman, Markel, Nate and Moses will be Sophomores, Benimon and Thompson Juniors, and Clark and Henry Seniors. Caprio will also be a sophomore. Four upperclassmen is really a small number. Other than Markel and Nate, the other 7 underclassmen have no collegiate experience. It will be a test of JT III's and assistants' skills to see how the team progresses from the beginning of the year until the end. Patience is the operative word for December. And if this board gets its way, we'll be down to three upperclassmen!! Good thoughts.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2011 17:41:41 GMT -5
Jason Clark, Jabril Trawick, Aaron Bowen, and Hollis Thompson should be dribbling a basketball nonstop from today until next March. Add Markel to that list. In my time, I never saw the players dribbling a ball while walking around campus. I always found that odd. You ever tried to dribble a basketball across Red Square in the middle of the day?
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 15, 2011 17:57:41 GMT -5
Why Vee didn't play more remains an enigma. I always liked the spark he brought off the bench. He's one kid I'd really like to see succeed wherever he goes. Best of luck Vee and thank you for representing the university the way you have. You'll be missed.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Apr 15, 2011 18:19:09 GMT -5
I was hoping this was not the case that Vee was transferring. I think this kid was never given a chance to fail. There was games where I thought Austin, Chris, Jason and etc should have been benched. So why wasn't Vee never really given that chance to be benched based on game performance. I have posted about the lack of playing time for Vee. I have racked my brain high and low about why Vee was not given the chance to play. Maybe it was his passing skills. I just hope if the reports are true, And if it is true I hope it is due to him finding better opportunities elsewhere and nothing to due with suggestions and persuasion from staff members. I don't want to believe Gtwon has resorted to the Calapari tactics of managing a basketball team and that winning is the sole purpose of athletics at Gtown. I have been a Gtown fan for long time based on the the fact that I thought the program operated as teachers of men. Trying to show order and discipline to young men as it prepared them for life. I thought JT2 andJT3 embodied that philosophy. I always thought that they were fair men. I totally understand that players sometimes don't work out, that the program doesn't fit the needs of each player. But from my view from 50 feet, and I admit I don't have a front seat view, it just doesn't sit right with me. I will continue to be a Gtown based on its body of work. But these reports, that I hope go unfounded, doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 15, 2011 18:43:54 GMT -5
Save the holier than thou talk. This is not intermurals brother. This is a multi million dollar business. If you do not win they will get someone else who will. JT3 is doing what he has to do. He had no faith is Vee obviously. Best that both parties Move On like Royce, Joell, Joe and Crooked. I was hoping this was not the case that Vee was transferring. I think this kid was never given a chance to fail. There was games where I thought Austin, Chris, Jason and etc should have been benched. So why wasn't Vee never really given that chance to be benched based on game performance. I have posted about the lack of playing time for Vee. I have racked my brain high and low about why Vee was not given the chance to play. Maybe it was his passing skills. I just hope if the reports are true, And if it is true I hope it is due to him finding better opportunities elsewhere and nothing to due with suggestions and persuasion from staff members. I don't want to believe Gtwon has resorted to the Calapari tactics of managing a basketball team and that winning is the sole purpose of athletics at Gtown. I have been a Gtown fan for long time based on the the fact that I thought the program operated as teachers of men. Trying to show order and discipline to young men as it prepared them for life. I thought JT2 andJT3 embodied that philosophy. I always thought that they were fair men. I totally understand that players sometimes don't work out, that the program doesn't fit the needs of each player. But from my view from 50 feet, and I admit I don't have a front seat view, it just doesn't sit right with me. I will continue to be a Gtown based on its body of work. But these reports, that I hope go unfounded, doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2011 18:44:13 GMT -5
I was hoping this was not the case that Vee was transferring. I think this kid was never given a chance to fail. There was games where I thought Austin, Chris, Jason and etc should have been benched. So why wasn't Vee never really given that chance to be benched based on game performance. I have posted about the lack of playing time for Vee. I have racked my brain high and low about why Vee was not given the chance to play. Maybe it was his passing skills. I just hope if the reports are true, And if it is true I hope it is due to him finding better opportunities elsewhere and nothing to due with suggestions and persuasion from staff members. I don't want to believe Gtwon has resorted to the Calapari tactics of managing a basketball team and that winning is the sole purpose of athletics at Gtown. I have been a Gtown fan for long time based on the the fact that I thought the program operated as teachers of men. Trying to show order and discipline to young men as it prepared them for life. I thought JT2 andJT3 embodied that philosophy. I always thought that they were fair men. I totally understand that players sometimes don't work out, that the program doesn't fit the needs of each player. But from my view from 50 feet, and I admit I don't have a front seat view, it just doesn't sit right with me. I will continue to be a Gtown based on its body of work. But these reports, that I hope go unfounded, doesn't sit well with me. Dude, you got some other issues you need to work out. You really think this is about JT3 not being "fair" or not being a "teacher of men?" C'mon. It's about playing time and nothing more. And even if it's not, it's certainly not about something more nefarious. If this doesn't sit well with you and will cause you to view the program in a different light, then that's on you and the program doesn't need you as a fan. You can go root for St. Leo's.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 15, 2011 18:45:15 GMT -5
Sorry to hear his going, if, in fact, this is true. He was very efficient, when he was out there, but too bad, he couldn't have gotten more play time.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 15, 2011 18:51:33 GMT -5
Can't blame Vee for looking to go elsewhere. Not everyone is content to get the Tyler Crawford treatment.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 15, 2011 19:00:02 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Goodman's list includes these names:
Jonathan Blount, 6-0, G, RS Fr., Centenary Quin Cooper, 6-3, SG, Fr., Centenary Leo Davis, 6-0, G, Soph., Centenary Aaron Harwell, 5-10, PG, Fr., Centenary Logan Lowery, 6-6, SG, Fr., Centenary Jeron Trotman, 6-4, PF, Soph., Centenary Travis Sims, 6-5, SG, Soph., Centenary
The Gents finished 1-29 last season and its six remaining players combined for just 22 ppg last season. Another five left last season and the school's APR is so low it has been outright banned from post-season competition for the last two years.
The school announced it is dropping out of Division I altogether.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 15, 2011 19:05:20 GMT -5
hahahahaha. the new track w/Luda is a monster... Best that both parties Move On like Royce, Joell, Joe and Crooked. I was hoping this was not the case that Vee was transferring. I think this kid was never given a chance to fail. There was games where I thought Austin, Chris, Jason and etc should have been benched. So why wasn't Vee never really given that chance to be benched based on game performance. I have posted about the lack of playing time for Vee. I have racked my brain high and low about why Vee was not given the chance to play. Maybe it was his passing skills. I just hope if the reports are true, And if it is true I hope it is due to him finding better opportunities elsewhere and nothing to due with suggestions and persuasion from staff members. I don't want to believe Gtwon has resorted to the Calapari tactics of managing a basketball team and that winning is the sole purpose of athletics at Gtown. I have been a Gtown fan for long time based on the the fact that I thought the program operated as teachers of men. Trying to show order and discipline to young men as it prepared them for life. I thought JT2 andJT3 embodied that philosophy. I always thought that they were fair men. I totally understand that players sometimes don't work out, that the program doesn't fit the needs of each player. But from my view from 50 feet, and I admit I don't have a front seat view, it just doesn't sit right with me. I will continue to be a Gtown based on its body of work. But these reports, that I hope go unfounded, doesn't sit well with me.
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