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Post by btb (Account Inactive) on Apr 24, 2011 9:02:06 GMT -5
Forget junk time, Vee should have gotten in during key games for longer stretches when Austin or Clark were cold. I can think of a half dozen times this occurred this past year. Recognition of when a guy has it and doesn't is key. I am not one who thinks we need a new coach, but some assistant should be in his ear when a guy is off and if it isn't Vee, it could be someone else that provides that spark. He just didn't do that with our Big three guys when they were off. Yup you're right...
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Post by btb (Account Inactive) on Apr 24, 2011 9:14:55 GMT -5
This is totally situational. If you are Ohio State and you have a chance to win it all with 7 (and there is a big drop off in talent between the 7th and 8th player), you play 7. If you are rebuilding and you have guys who are unproven/fringe contributors but with time could become Big East caliber contributors, you make it a priority to develop your bench and try to win as much as you can in the process. You have to find that balance. III is developing his bench. You don't think he has tried all year, in practice? We only see the games. He sees the practices. The teaching and developing goes on in practice. Thats what happened to Nate. He earned his way into a starting lineup and never looked back. You don't just play guys because they are on scholarship and have a pulse. You compete. Thats how you win. If you have only 7 guys that can do that. That play at a certain standard, then you just play those 7 guys. And then the other 5 guys know what standard needs to be met before they can play. That is how you get better. If a guy isn't ready, putting him out on the court where he gets embarrassed and loses the little confidence he had to begin with makes it worse and sets you back further. You lose games as well. in JTII's history, he hasn't been burned by not playing a guy. He has not erred in distributing minutes for guys over the course of the season. Not one season. When a guy steps out on the court, you see why they do (or don't) get a lot of minutes. Guys who played sparingly usually transferred to lower schools or later on admitted that they were not putting forth the effort that they should have to get better. The coach can coach and develop until he is blue in the face. Ultimately, it boils down to two things: 1) there has to be some raw talent there to begin with 2) the player has to commit himself to the teaching/coaching and working on his raw talent to become a better player and earn playing time. First sentence, not true as a whole, but somewhat...you do play guys that are on scholarship, that's a lot of money spent on some good players, if I'm a platoon leader and I take my troops to war, ALL of my troops are fighting to win! You have to have confidence in all your players, not just 7 and make the right calls most of the time.
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Post by btb (Account Inactive) on Apr 24, 2011 9:19:47 GMT -5
Just a note on this developing in games v. in practice and not being ready to play conversation that has been playing out over the course of this thread. Sometimes it becomes clear that a player needs to develop by playing, and whether he is ready or not, he plays. In 2004, no one would say that Hibbert was ready for BE basketball. He had basketball skill, but was extremely raw. Despite this he played 16 min a game for the team that year. Granted we had no other player who could really play center, but we could have gone mostly with Jeff Green (6'9"), Brandon Bowman (6'9") and Darrell Owens (6'9") and played small ball to hide Hibbert and let him develop in practice. We certainly know that this team has gone to unconventional line-ups to try to hide weakness. Hibbert was incredibly hard working, so who knows how he would have developed playing 2 minutes a game as a freshman. I for one think getting that experience freshman year drove him to put in as much work as possible. He was put to the fire and came out the better for it. I don't think that you can fairly expect players to develop as quickly without receiving playing time. Does anyone really think that both Nate and Moses were given the same opportunities to develop as a player this year? The playing time Nate received, in actual games, undoubtedly helped his game develop at a faster pace. My point is that at some point you have to be willing to put guys in the game that you may not think are ready. Doing so can benefit their development (allowing them to be ready quicker), encourage them to work harder in practice/on their own, and possibly allow them to surprise you. You run the risk that they will hurt the team in the current game, but managing the team, both current and future, is the job of any coach. We can't be afraid to let our players get in the game and play, make mistakes, and develop. I find it problematic that this staff has not developed ONE unheralded recruit into a player who can contribute solid minutes on a regular basis. Wallace is the only player I can think of who might fit this mold, and he was somehow ready to go right out of the gates as opposed to really being developed. Perhaps it is a tribute to this staff's ability to recruit that there simply have not been unheralded recruits, but I think players like Vee and even Wattad could have been useful contributors had we kept them involved. Exactly, coach em up on the court, when I'm coaching I find that is probably the quickest way to get certain players to develop...As a coach if you show confidence in those players that will also put that confidence on display. Coach is a great man, and coach...it's just unfortunate the Hoyas had a MAJOR injury to a MAJOR player at the wrong time, but I think Markel would have held it down, I really do. People say, "oh yeahhh" why would you say this? How do you know Markel can take this and run with it? As a coach what would I say to Markel to let him know he'll be starting and running the show? Answer to first question, I feel Markel was ready and has it well prepared in his mind that if the starting pg went down, it would be his time to step up. Stark's has played enough games, minutes to be ready to fill the void. Markel is a very smart young man on and off of he court and is ready to lead right now. I know he can't wait, that's a very very big thing for him and that's a part of how he has to think. He has the tools physically and mentally to run the show plus he's got to represent the DMV along with the other great pg's that came out of this area...I think it's mostly about decision making for him and I have a perfect list of this... Love my blue and gray, everything will be okay, just as long as long as the Hoyas are getting better RIGHT NOW, and be ready for the first practice and game thee should be no shame...Coach's smart non-conference scheduling got my Hoyas in the NCAA's...big road win over ODU for the first game "very hostile enviornment," for your first game? Now, that was mighty brave to schedule a rivalry game from a team and great conference the CAA...Missouri in the John McLendon Classic dubbed as the best nonconference game ever during the month of November...
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 24, 2011 13:42:12 GMT -5
Now why would you think that anyone here would want to watch Corey Brewer travel again? What was that, Vanderbilt? Shut up, you! ;D You mean the only time in Brewer's life he got a continuation on a foul on the floor?
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Apr 30, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -5
Vee hurry up and choose a program. I want one more team to pull for.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 30, 2011 19:12:30 GMT -5
Vee hurry up and choose a program. I want one more team to pull for. He transferred to Syracuse. Just kiddin'.
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Post by lexkyhoya on May 5, 2011 12:52:03 GMT -5
Look for him to end up at Dayton.
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Post by chep3 on May 5, 2011 13:16:21 GMT -5
Sure he can't come back now that we have space?
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Post by KirbyKeger on May 5, 2011 13:18:59 GMT -5
That would be extremely nice. He would be such an asset to this team next season.
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Post by wahoohoya on May 5, 2011 14:16:52 GMT -5
Seriously doubt Vee's decision to transfer had anything to do with the team needing the scholarship. So JB's decision to transfer wouldn't change anything.
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Post by JS on May 5, 2011 20:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by KirbyKeger on May 5, 2011 20:52:35 GMT -5
"Coach Thompson told me this would be my year...but I feel it was best if I moved on"....Well, at least he was aware that he would have his shot. Clearly, he felt Georgetown was just not a good fit for him. Best of luck Vee. We'll always wonder what you could have done as a Hoya next year, but hopefully you really emerge wherever you land.
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Post by lichoya68 on May 5, 2011 21:19:56 GMT -5
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Post by AltoSaxa on May 5, 2011 21:37:20 GMT -5
"I did well in the Princeton but that's now how I like to play" Here we go again.
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Post by prhoya on May 6, 2011 8:33:42 GMT -5
Why come in the first place? Thought JT3 would change his offense to fit "how you like to play"?
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Post by NCHoya on May 6, 2011 8:39:56 GMT -5
I am with you prhoya, is there some kind of over-promising being done by the staff here? Or are these kids, a late signee no less, really think the offense will be modified to adjust to his game?
The staff needs to come under some scrutiny at some point. The offense should NEVER be an excuse for these kids leave. It sounds like perhaps we are telling some of these kids what they want to hear as opposed to what is reality. I hope JT3 is up-front as possible with these recruits, he needs to realize they will transfer eventually if it is a poor fit, even when they are basically promised playing time like in Vee's situation. It just does not make sense to pretend he is going to change his coachign philosophy for any of these kids, it will not happen.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on May 6, 2011 8:47:55 GMT -5
Good luck to Vee but we need to stay away from players like him. If you are not a quick/athletic point guard who gets to the rim with ease or can guard the ball like an erstwhile Corey Beck you should not be recruited.
The late desperate signings have all transfered recently. I have my eye on a kid I think could be next to leave next year (no inside info) just a gut feeling that he wont get much playing time this year.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 6, 2011 9:03:42 GMT -5
I wish Vee much success where ever goes. I believe that Dayton would be a good fit. New coach (Miller, brother of Sean Miller). Hope to see him in the NCAA tourney the next two seasons.
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Post by the_way on May 6, 2011 9:06:04 GMT -5
I am with you prhoya, is there some kind of over-promising being done by the staff here? Or are these kids, a late signee no less, really think the offense will be modified to adjust to his game? The staff needs to come under some scrutiny at some point. The offense should NEVER be an excuse for these kids leave. It sounds like perhaps we are telling some of these kids what they want to hear as opposed to what is reality. I hope JT3 is up-front as possible with these recruits, he needs to realize they will transfer eventually if it is a poor fit, even when they are basically promised playing time like in Vee's situation. It just does not make sense to pretend he is going to change his coachign philosophy for any of these kids, it will not happen. The staff more than likely promises opportunities for kids to get a chance to play. Somtimes kids think they are better than they actually are. They lose sight of the fact that their quality of play will get them playing time, not the fact they were offered a scholarship. The staff tells kids they have opportunities. Its up to the kid to make the most of them via effort and ability. If a kid is short on effort, then he'll have limited opportunities. If a kid is short on ability, he'll have limited opportunities.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 6, 2011 10:18:16 GMT -5
From every recruit quote that I see the staff seems extremely up front. Even some of our top recruits speak in terms of "get a chance to contribute" for example whereas at other schools "they see me starting from day 1."
The reality is, sometimes development doesn't go as the staff thinks it will -- and the player never reaches the point the staff wants them to to contribute. And so the PT isn't there.
Plus, GU isn't faking on grades. No doubt it's more lenient for athletes, but we're not having tutors do their homework or changing grades. And that leads to some amount of transfers.
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