chep3
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Post by chep3 on Apr 20, 2011 21:31:07 GMT -5
He should go to Xavier. Best program on that list and close to home. And DSR can come sign with us.
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Apr 20, 2011 22:25:13 GMT -5
What is the "mystery" that is everyone is referring too?
It's not a mystery.
Vee, peace bro. Hope you find what you're looking for, but on to the next.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 20, 2011 23:31:47 GMT -5
Hard to tell what the context of the quote is and we probably shouldn't look into it too much... but I do find it a little curious that he specifically said it was "not because of the way he practiced." The grades part seems pretty clear and I hope people stop speculating about that now. Then let's say it again, "there's no rational reason for Vee to have gotten as little PT as he did last season, particularly after Chris broke his hand." I can't win the Hoyas Unlimited auction to have dinner with III, I'd probably end up beating his stubborn self to death. List of People Who Hoyatalkers Have Discussed Killing During the 2011 Offseason:(1) Master P (2) JTIII "They told me he was doing everything he was supposed to," Vincent Sanford Sr. said. "It was not because of the way he practiced or because of grades. There were no off-court issues. ... But we're always going to be Georgetown fans. We're just sorry it didn't work out." Hard to tell what the context of the quote is and we probably shouldn't look into it too much... but I do find it a little curious that he specifically said it was "not because of the way he practiced." The grades part seems pretty clear and I hope people stop speculating about that now. Vee and father have shown a really good attitude about the whole thing. Nice to see. Totally agree. They seem like good people, and whereas I think most of our recent transfers were delusional if they ever thought they could accomplish more at other schools, Vee seems like he could be an exception. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if in two years, we see him putting up 12 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assists, and 1.5 steals in 30 minutes a game.
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Post by jld54 on Apr 21, 2011 6:54:59 GMT -5
The most telling comment was that he thought he would automatically get PT just by being recruited. Perhaps Vee had unrealistic expectations all along which built up over two years. From the outside, it seemed that a player of his caliber would be a spot player his first 2 years, with CW, AF, and JC ahead of him on the depth chart, and with Markel a better ball-handler, even if a freshman. Vee's role this year was the 4/5th guard. I thought that his shot would come the next two years, with 70 minutes of time open next year, and JC's time thereafter.
I think that the key to CBB these days is to build a deep team with 4 year players. This approach works year in - year out for teams like Pitt, but necessitates patience by all but the best players. It seems that Vee did not buy into this, however. We should wish him the best and no hard feelings, but this transfer is in ow way on JT2 and the staff.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Apr 21, 2011 7:27:39 GMT -5
It is a two street. Players need to be patient in waiting for their time. However, the coaches need to play the bench when they can. JT III was better early this year than the prior year. Yet there were still games when we had a good lead and several minutes to go and still Moses, Vee, and Bowen sat. I believe that younger players will improve quicker playing with the top quality of players. Let Vee play with Austin or Chris. Put Moses in with the first unit.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 21, 2011 8:02:10 GMT -5
Forget junk time, Vee should have gotten in during key games for longer stretches when Austin or Clark were cold. I can think of a half dozen times this occurred this past year. Recognition of when a guy has it and doesn't is key. I am not one who thinks we need a new coach, but some assistant should be in his ear when a guy is off and if it isn't Vee, it could be someone else that provides that spark. He just didn't do that with our Big three guys when they were off.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Apr 21, 2011 9:13:56 GMT -5
My question is what happened between last year - where apparently Vee was good enough to play in 2nd half crunch time against Cuse in the BE tourney and hit tear drop daggers - and this year where he didn't play in crunch time and didn't see his minutes increase at all.
Additionally, I think coaches can take some blame for not properly setting the expectations of recruits and players, if in fact that is an issue.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 21, 2011 9:20:32 GMT -5
Our team with the best chance of winning it all (06), was also the least "deep" numbers-wise Do you really think the 2006 team had a better chance to win the title then the 2007 team, which won the BE Regular season, BET and made the Final Four?
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Post by cheer48 on Apr 21, 2011 9:26:16 GMT -5
from report on front page, this sanford family is class...add my regrets that it won`t work ! cheer`48
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 21, 2011 9:30:08 GMT -5
My question is what happened between last year - where apparently Vee was good enough to play in 2nd half crunch time against Cuse in the BE tourney and hit tear drop daggers - and this year where he didn't play in crunch time and didn't see his minutes increase at all. Additionally, I think coaches can take some blame for not properly setting the expectations of recruits and players, if in fact that is an issue. I have to think that JTIII and the staff are pretty straightforward about the fact that any player has to earn his playing time; may be one reason we lose recruits with whom we seem to be in great shape, if other schools are more willing to promise PT. And of course being honest about playing time is no guarantee that some kids won't still believe they will automatically get it because of what they perceive to be their talents.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Apr 21, 2011 10:57:48 GMT -5
Our team with the best chance of winning it all (06), was also the least "deep" numbers-wise Do you really think the 2006 team had a better chance to win the title then the 2007 team, which won the BE Regular season, BET and made the Final Four? I think it is closer than you realize. The 2006 team, at the end of the season, might have been better than our 2007 team. Summers was not on the squad, but you had Owens, Bowen and Cook. Hibbert and JG were in junior year form by tourney time. We had a wide open 3 to beat Florida in the sweet 16 that Owens missed. Florida steamrolled the rest of the field on its way to the title, so who knows what might have happened had Owens made the shot.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 21, 2011 14:44:29 GMT -5
Was at Minn for the game, our defense stunk, we were up about 10 points with 10 left, and Noah just dribbled right down the court for lay-ups to take the lead. We played a good 30 minutes and ran out of gas, the Gator bench depth killed us
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 21, 2011 14:55:57 GMT -5
Was at Minn for the game, our defense stunk, we were up about 10 points with 10 left, and Noah just dribbled right down the court for lay-ups to take the lead. We played a good 30 minutes and ran out of gas, the Gator bench depth killed us And yet with all that, we were just a missed 3-pointer by one of our best shooters from beating the eventual national champs. We MUST have been talented.
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Post by dungeon ball on Apr 21, 2011 15:10:00 GMT -5
Do you really think the 2006 team had a better chance to win the title then the 2007 team, which won the BE Regular season, BET and made the Final Four? I think it is closer than you realize. The 2006 team, at the end of the season, might have been better than our 2007 team. Summers was not on the squad, but you had Owens, Bowen and Cook. Hibbert and JG were in junior year form by tourney time. We had a wide open 3 to beat Florida in the sweet 16 that Owens missed. Florida steamrolled the rest of the field on its way to the title, so who knows what might have happened had Owens made the shot. link to that game: bit.ly/eTtKPF this team was good.
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Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2011 16:04:15 GMT -5
I think it is closer than you realize. The 2006 team, at the end of the season, might have been better than our 2007 team. Summers was not on the squad, but you had Owens, Bowen and Cook. Hibbert and JG were in junior year form by tourney time. We had a wide open 3 to beat Florida in the sweet 16 that Owens missed. Florida steamrolled the rest of the field on its way to the title, so who knows what might have happened had Owens made the shot. link to that game: bit.ly/eTtKPF this team was good. Now why would you think that anyone here would want to watch Corey Brewer travel again? What was that, Vanderbilt? Shut up, you! ;D
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aggypryd
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Post by aggypryd on Apr 21, 2011 17:08:40 GMT -5
I just read the front page. I'm now a fan of Vincent Sr. That's how you depart from a situation, whether it was good or bad.
I hope Vee goes somewhere and becomes a complete beast!
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Post by mcdonoughmagic22 on Apr 23, 2011 14:33:01 GMT -5
Sounds like a classy family. I, like many , thought he should have gotten a little more burn during his two years on the hilltop. Don't blame him at all for leaving; sounds like a situation that both parties just have to accept.
I don't think there's a real need to blame either JT3 or Vee for having false expectations. Kids are allowed to transfer for a reason- it's a reality that not every recruit-program relationship works out. Seems like both parties understood this and have parted amicably, which is all you can ask for.
Thanks and best of luck Vee- we will be rooting for you!
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Post by KirbyKeger on Apr 23, 2011 16:50:52 GMT -5
Anyone know where Vee was visiting recently? He just tweeted: "The deal might be sealed done. verbally I'm sold. But we will see." Best of luck to Vee. I hope he's happy wherever he ends up and that he gets a chance to showcase his skills. We all know he has them.
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 24, 2011 7:27:47 GMT -5
the Hokie
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Post by btb (Account Inactive) on Apr 24, 2011 9:01:29 GMT -5
It is a two street. Players need to be patient in waiting for their time. However, the coaches need to play the bench when they can. JT III was better early this year than the prior year. Yet there were still games when we had a good lead and several minutes to go and still Moses, Vee, and Bowen sat. I believe that younger players will improve quicker playing with the top quality of players. Let Vee play with Austin or Chris. Put Moses in with the first unit. Exactly!
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