GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Apr 20, 2011 10:05:04 GMT -5
Since we have only seen this announcement on a Fox Sports Blog, via Twitter and in the Hoya, is the University waiting for something else to happen before making an official statement that Vee is transferring? In other words, are they waiting to make an official announcement for some other reason? OR do they not put out a press statement for transfers anymore?
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 20, 2011 10:09:44 GMT -5
Just wonder why some of the posters are not big-time college basketball coaches. They would only sign top-flight players and then not be so stubborn as to not play all of them.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 20, 2011 10:23:12 GMT -5
It's the nature of the business, Ed. Boeheim has won more than 850 games and a national title, and the Syracuse fans constantly question his substitution patterns, playing time, etc. Coach K, RoyBoy, Calhoun, Calislimy - they all get it. I guess if a team goes undefeated the fans might not question the coach, but otherwise there will always be "healthy debate" about the bench.
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Post by chep3 on Apr 20, 2011 10:36:05 GMT -5
Just wonder why some of the posters are not big-time college basketball coaches. They would only sign top-flight players and then not be so stubborn as to not play all of them. If you could only criticize things you could do better, you couldn't really criticize very much could you? Out would go any sports decision ever, any sports play ever, politics, literature, etc etc. I mean, I can't direct a movie, but I can sure as hell tell you that Michael Bay sucks at it. And don't get me wrong, I like JTIII and glad he's our coach. He's not perfect though, and there is room to improve over the last three years.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 20, 2011 10:41:22 GMT -5
YUP NOBODY IS PERFECT heck looks at ME WRIGHT GOHOYAS
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 20, 2011 10:55:58 GMT -5
Since we have only seen this announcement on a Fox Sports Blog, via Twitter and in the Hoya, is the University waiting for something else to happen before making an official statement that Vee is transferring? In other words, are they waiting to make an official announcement for some other reason? OR do they not put out a press statement for transfers anymore? The Hoya article quotes Mex Carey, doesn't it? I'd consider that an official statement that Vee is transferring.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Apr 20, 2011 13:11:03 GMT -5
Just a note on this developing in games v. in practice and not being ready to play conversation that has been playing out over the course of this thread.
Sometimes it becomes clear that a player needs to develop by playing, and whether he is ready or not, he plays. In 2004, no one would say that Hibbert was ready for BE basketball. He had basketball skill, but was extremely raw. Despite this he played 16 min a game for the team that year. Granted we had no other player who could really play center, but we could have gone mostly with Jeff Green (6'9"), Brandon Bowman (6'9") and Darrell Owens (6'9") and played small ball to hide Hibbert and let him develop in practice. We certainly know that this team has gone to unconventional line-ups to try to hide weakness. Hibbert was incredibly hard working, so who knows how he would have developed playing 2 minutes a game as a freshman. I for one think getting that experience freshman year drove him to put in as much work as possible. He was put to the fire and came out the better for it.
I don't think that you can fairly expect players to develop as quickly without receiving playing time. Does anyone really think that both Nate and Moses were given the same opportunities to develop as a player this year? The playing time Nate received, in actual games, undoubtedly helped his game develop at a faster pace.
My point is that at some point you have to be willing to put guys in the game that you may not think are ready. Doing so can benefit their development (allowing them to be ready quicker), encourage them to work harder in practice/on their own, and possibly allow them to surprise you. You run the risk that they will hurt the team in the current game, but managing the team, both current and future, is the job of any coach. We can't be afraid to let our players get in the game and play, make mistakes, and develop.
I find it problematic that this staff has not developed ONE unheralded recruit into a player who can contribute solid minutes on a regular basis. Wallace is the only player I can think of who might fit this mold, and he was somehow ready to go right out of the gates as opposed to really being developed. Perhaps it is a tribute to this staff's ability to recruit that there simply have not been unheralded recruits, but I think players like Vee and even Wattad could have been useful contributors had we kept them involved.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 20, 2011 13:24:07 GMT -5
Great post lad! To restate my thesis....JT3 plays 9-10 players this year or he is just spinning his wheels as our coach especially when a relatively weak Yukon squad winning it all this year with 3 frosh starters (not blue chippers either)....and Icantdo playing major minutos. This year thrown them all into the deep end where they will swim or drizown! Just a note on this developing in games v. in practice and not being ready to play conversation that has been playing out over the course of this thread. Sometimes it becomes clear that a player needs to develop by playing, and whether he is ready or not, he plays. In 2004, no one would say that Hibbert was ready for BE basketball. He had basketball skill, but was extremely raw. Despite this he played 16 min a game for the team that year. Granted we had no other player who could really play center, but we could have gone mostly with Jeff Green (6'9"), Brandon Bowman (6'9") and Darrell Owens (6'9") and played small ball to hide Hibbert and let him develop in practice. We certainly know that this team has gone to unconventional line-ups to try to hide weakness. Hibbert was incredibly hard working, so who knows how he would have developed playing 2 minutes a game as a freshman. I for one think getting that experience freshman year drove him to put in as much work as possible. He was put to the fire and came out the better for it. I don't think that you can fairly expect players to develop as quickly without receiving playing time. Does anyone really think that both Nate and Moses were given the same opportunities to develop as a player this year? The playing time Nate received, in actual games, undoubtedly helped his game develop at a faster pace. My point is that at some point you have to be willing to put guys in the game that you may not think are ready. Doing so can benefit their development (allowing them to be ready quicker), encourage them to work harder in practice/on their own, and possibly allow them to surprise you. You run the risk that they will hurt the team in the current game, but managing the team, both current and future, is the job of any coach. We can't be afraid to let our players get in the game and play, make mistakes, and develop. I find it problematic that this staff has not developed ONE unheralded recruit into a player who can contribute solid minutes on a regular basis. Wallace is the only player I can think of who might fit this mold, and he was somehow ready to go right out of the gates as opposed to really being developed. Perhaps it is a tribute to this staff's ability to recruit that there simply have not been unheralded recruits, but I think players like Vee and even Wattad could have been useful contributors had we kept them involved.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 20, 2011 14:54:50 GMT -5
He should've put arsenic in his water bottle at halftime of every game until he died...... ;D Just kidding.........kinda Master P played for my dad in high school. ;D Oh man, it's not even May and we've already reached the point where we have posts about how it would have been a good idea to kill Master P 25 years ago. Kenner? Where are you, Kenner?
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Post by RDF on Apr 20, 2011 16:01:03 GMT -5
Just wonder why some of the posters are not big-time college basketball coaches. They would only sign top-flight players and then not be so stubborn as to not play all of them. Typical comment from the man who uses a Villanova player's nickname as his name on Georgetown board. A few things: What always makes other people here think guys who post here don't work in Basketball at some level? Why are basketball coaches seen as geniuses above all other occupations that several qualified people dont' work in? You talk to these guys/hang around them--you quickly wonder what they could do if it wasn't for basketball. (not saying this about III so relax) When the staff does things that the "negative posters" have been asking for years--and it works--why do I fully expect the do-gooders to jump on and attack the "negative" guys--whose point will only have been reinforced? Are there any more mediocre Northern VA guys coming up so Ed can go nuts when they are criticized? Trying to remember if we had to hear "Quit it you rascals--that Day Jack is one helluva finisher" ;D
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Post by kchoya on Apr 20, 2011 16:46:09 GMT -5
Just wonder why some of the posters are not big-time college basketball coaches. They would only sign top-flight players and then not be so stubborn as to not play all of them. Typical comment from the man who uses a Villanova player's nickname as his name on Georgetown board. Villanova? I thought Easy Ed went to SLU?
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Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2011 18:13:30 GMT -5
The hip-hop discussion is now on a new thread on the B&G board.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 20, 2011 19:14:22 GMT -5
Just wonder why some of the posters are not big-time college basketball coaches. They would only sign top-flight players and then not be so stubborn as to not play all of them. Typical comment from the man who uses a Villanova player's nickname as his name on Georgetown board. A few things: What always makes other people here think guys who post here don't work in Basketball at some level? Why are basketball coaches seen as geniuses above all other occupations that several qualified people dont' work in? You talk to these guys/hang around them--you quickly wonder what they could do if it wasn't for basketball. (not saying this about III so relax) When the staff does things that the "negative posters" have been asking for years--and it works--why do I fully expect the do-gooders to jump on and attack the "negative" guys--whose point will only have been reinforced? Are there any more mediocre Northern VA guys coming up so Ed can go nuts when they are criticized? Trying to remember if we had to hear "Quit it you rascals--that Day Jack is one helluva finisher" ;D For your information, I was EasyEd long before there was a Villanova person who claimed that moniker. The first one to name me EasyEd was Vic Banonis, great Hoya linebacker of the class of '50. Secondly, you often make great observations. But then you repeat them and repeat them and repeat them. If I defended Clark as many times as you have criticized him - and always saying the same thing - I'd own the posting championship on this board. You may work in basketball in some capacity but you are not a college coach dealing with actual human beings. Knowing talent and the X's and O's are only part of coaching.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 20, 2011 19:39:04 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 20, 2011 19:39:55 GMT -5
Typical comment from the man who uses a Villanova player's nickname as his name on Georgetown board. Villanova? I thought Easy Ed went to SLU? Wow, are you dating yourself. That's even before my time. Maybe even before the other Easy Ed's time.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 20, 2011 19:50:20 GMT -5
Father Sanford's comments only add to my hopes that Vee has a satisfying career wherever he lands.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 20, 2011 20:11:37 GMT -5
Don't know what to take by that article. I'm sure Vee will do great elsewhere but I'd say that it adds to the mystery of Vee's PT.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 20, 2011 20:19:44 GMT -5
I asked the question in Feb. what did Vee's parents think of his lack of PT. tHE MODERATORS DELETED my question. I guess we now have the answer.
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Post by gujake on Apr 20, 2011 20:21:51 GMT -5
"They told me he was doing everything he was supposed to," Vincent Sanford Sr. said. "It was not because of the way he practiced or because of grades. There were no off-court issues. ... But we're always going to be Georgetown fans. We're just sorry it didn't work out."
Hard to tell what the context of the quote is and we probably shouldn't look into it too much... but I do find it a little curious that he specifically said it was "not because of the way he practiced."
The grades part seems pretty clear and I hope people stop speculating about that now.
Vee and father have shown a really good attitude about the whole thing. Nice to see.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 20, 2011 20:40:46 GMT -5
Hard to tell what the context of the quote is and we probably shouldn't look into it too much... but I do find it a little curious that he specifically said it was "not because of the way he practiced." The grades part seems pretty clear and I hope people stop speculating about that now. Then let's say it again, "there's no rational reason for Vee to have gotten as little PT as he did last season, particularly after Chris broke his hand." I can't win the Hoyas Unlimited auction to have dinner with III, I'd probably end up beating his stubborn self to death.
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