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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2011 21:32:38 GMT -5
Some of you guys would be stunned about what the almighty coaches that can never be questioned are thought of by Scouts/NBA front office people and it's why a lot them dread having to go watch talented guys held back in a sport that doesn't resemble the game that should be about the talent on the court and not the guys in the suits.
I'll just say this--a guy who is considered a top coach by pundits/this board asked a former NBA coach who is very well respected to help by watching video of his team and let him know what he thinks. Coach took some game film, broke it down, came up with sets to get his best players involved--told him which guys on his team were playing too much/who should be playing, told him some wrinkles to utilize defensively with his personnel and gave him several sets to run to free his best offensive players and make team tougher to defend. It was as detailed as you can get--and do you think the coach listened? Nope--did same thing he does-ran his system, and that coach's team fell apart. That sums up 9 out of 10 college coaches. They are control freaks and fail to recognize that talent is what attracts them to players when evaluating--and talent is what wins majority of games. Coaching is putting your talent in best position to develop, shine, and let them decide the fate--not overcoaching, not coaching each possession, and pushing them to work on their weaknesses as much and not just rest on their strengths.
Kicker is the 2 scouts next to him mentioned that same guy as someone who has contacted a former guy he worked for--did same thing.
Yet these guys are teflon. They are without flaws and know all. Perfection doesn't exist--but you can't improve if you refuse to accept the fact you don't know all either.
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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2011 21:41:39 GMT -5
If you think some of us fans rip III/Program--you should hear what this guy and his assistants say about Georgetown. It makes critical fans look tame. I have heard this point raised several times on the Board over the past few years. Just curious - what evidence do you have that this is the case? From horses mouth--these guys don't sit behind roped off sections--you can talk to coaches at Events--you hear what they say and when you talk to players/other coaches and they say "Pitt coach told me......" or "Man does So and So think Georgetown is SOFT...." it's not like they care what is Georgetown going to do about it? Says more about them that they negative recruit. If you feel need to do that--must not have too much comfort in who you are/what you are selling. Oh wait--Pitt is so tough for the Big East--and they have been "dominant program of the last 10 years"-which is a joke--considering that these members of conference have been in Final Four in last 10 years--Hoyas, Syracuse (Title), UConn (Title), WVU, Louisville and Marquette--although it was prior to them joining the league--they made it, Villanova, and you have ND with a chance to join them if they keep winning this year. So if that were to happen--half of the conference will have made the Final Four while the "dominant" team hasn't. How is that dominance?
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Post by guru on Mar 19, 2011 21:44:33 GMT -5
I have heard this point raised several times on the Board over the past few years. Just curious - what evidence do you have that this is the case? From horses mouth--these guys don't sit behind roped off sections--you can talk to coaches at Events--you hear what they say and when you talk to players/other coaches and they say "Pitt coach told me......" or "Man does So and So think Georgetown is SOFT...." it's not like they care what is Georgetown going to do about it? Says more about them that they negative recruit. If you feel need to do that--must not have too much comfort in who you are/what you are selling. Oh wait--Pitt is so tough for the Big East--and they have been "dominant program of the last 10 years"-which is a joke--considering that these members of conference have been in Final Four in last 10 years--Hoyas, Syracuse (Title), UConn (Title), WVU, Louisville and Marquette--although it was prior to them joining the league--they made it, Villanova, and you have ND with a chance to join them if they keep winning this year. So if that were to happen--half of the conference will have made the Final Four while the "dominant" team hasn't. How is that dominance? Hate to say it, but calling us soft isn't talking trash. It's stating a fact.
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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2011 21:47:00 GMT -5
From horses mouth--these guys don't sit behind roped off sections--you can talk to coaches at Events--you hear what they say and when you talk to players/other coaches and they say "Pitt coach told me......" or "Man does So and So think Georgetown is SOFT...." it's not like they care what is Georgetown going to do about it? Says more about them that they negative recruit. If you feel need to do that--must not have too much comfort in who you are/what you are selling. Oh wait--Pitt is so tough for the Big East--and they have been "dominant program of the last 10 years"-which is a joke--considering that these members of conference have been in Final Four in last 10 years--Hoyas, Syracuse (Title), UConn (Title), WVU, Louisville and Marquette--although it was prior to them joining the league--they made it, Villanova, and you have ND with a chance to join them if they keep winning this year. So if that were to happen--half of the conference will have made the Final Four while the "dominant" team hasn't. How is that dominance? Hate to say it, but calling us soft isn't talking trash. It's stating a fact. That is the term I could use on the board and one of the nicer things said.
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 19, 2011 21:47:13 GMT -5
Dixon is an arrogant clown and nothing makes me happier than seeing him squirm come tournament time. He loves to brag about how well his kids are prepared for other teams and knowing their sets. Guess doing it in 2 days is too much to ask.
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Post by RDF on Mar 19, 2011 21:49:26 GMT -5
Dixon is an arrogant clown and nothing makes me happier than seeing him squirm come tournament time. He loves to brag about how well his kids are prepared for other teams and knowing their sets. Guess doing it in 2 days is too much to ask. ;D
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Post by seaweed on Mar 19, 2011 23:38:26 GMT -5
Bright side:
Wanamaker, Gary McGhee, Gilbert Brown, Preston Knowles, the entire St John's roster, Rashad Bishop, Ibrahima Thomas, Larry Davis, Darnell Wilks, Antonia Pena and the Coreys, Cam Thoroughman, Casey Mitchell, Joe Masulla and Johnnie West will never bother us again.
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Post by RDF on Mar 20, 2011 0:03:59 GMT -5
Bright side: Wanamaker, Gary McGhee, Gilbert Brown, Preston Knowles, the entire St John's roster, Rashad Bishop, Ibrahima Thomas, Larry Davis, Darnell Wilks, Antonia Pena and the Coreys, Cam Thoroughman, Casey Mitchell, Joe Masulla and Johnnie West will never bother us again. Seaweed--are you positive Mazulla is finally out of eligibility? I swear he played for Gale Catlett and never left. Who is the guy on Nova bench that is always making weird faces--will he be back next year? He's a camera hog that does fake intensity to get seen on television. Going to hate him when/if he ever plays.
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Post by harlemhoya on Mar 20, 2011 0:23:45 GMT -5
Who is the guy on Nova bench that is always making weird faces--will he be back next year? He's a camera hog that does fake intensity to get seen on television. Going to hate him when/if he ever plays. [/quote]
Nothing gets by you RDF
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 20, 2011 10:29:30 GMT -5
lol. Russell Wooten, a walk on. he is done.
John Flowers is also done at WVU.
I would say on paper, Syracuse and Louisville will be the favorites heading into next year.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2011 11:38:09 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Mar 20, 2011 12:16:05 GMT -5
Can't make a statement like that about Pitt--we don't know what type of players they'll get in future or how the landscape of CBB goes. Winning a National title takes some luck too--like a team or 2 that would give you trouble getting bounced to clear a path, or getting bracket where teams you play don't do well against your style, etc........
I'd love to see Hoyas play offensively like I'm seeing Washington/UNC play. It's free flowing, lets the talent on court show their talent and pushes the ball unless it's not there-but they are quickly into offensive sets and probing inside/out. That is offensive basketball at it's best and low and behold--think of Hoyas best offensive games--against UNC or Duke when the game is up/down and players just played and attacked.
Attacking/Aggressive basketball wins. It also wins in recruiting.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2011 12:46:15 GMT -5
Can't make a statement like that about Pitt That's what Ryan does best!
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 20, 2011 13:14:57 GMT -5
Scary to imagine the meltdown that would occur here if the Hoyas could not get the ball inbounds from underneath the basket with 7 seconds left and a chance to win the game.
Some down-home North Carolina home cooking by the officials at the end of the UNC game - 0.5 versus 1.2 seconds without reviewing the time. As always, Charles Barkley on target with the observation that Washington gave the game with turnovers.
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Post by RDF on Mar 20, 2011 13:37:52 GMT -5
Scary to imagine the meltdown that would occur here if the Hoyas could not get the ball inbounds from underneath the basket with 7 seconds left and a chance to win the game. Some down-home North Carolina home cooking by the officials at the end of the UNC game - 0.5 versus 1.2 seconds without reviewing the time. As always, Charles Barkley on target with the observation that Washington gave the game with turnovers. Dan--it's never just been about Hoyas and inbounding the ball--watching teams all over the "trend" of inbounds plays seem to be "Throw it to the backcourt"--be it Georgetown, Michigan State, UCLA, Washington, Temple, SDSU, Wisconsin, Kansas State, Butler, etc........and why is it so hard to pass fake? You pass fake and if a 6'11 guy is jumping in air--have a cutter drive down lane--receive ball and kick out to wing after defense collapses--which will happen even though they should stay home--everyone collapses in that moment. Washington had control--they were up 3, got 2 straight stops and then turn ball over and don't even get shot to extend lead. Just poor timing to have turnovers. With the athleticism of Washington--I'd have pressed Kendall Marshall more in backcourt and tried to wear him down. Dan--funny how THIS game was the one where the officials don't decide to ruin the rhythm of the game and check to make certain the time on clock was correct. If UNC was trailing by 3 and this was case--you think it'd be checked?
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 20, 2011 13:40:10 GMT -5
"Perfection doesn't exist--but you can't improve if you refuse to accept the fact you don't know all either."
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Post by russodj on Mar 20, 2011 14:25:15 GMT -5
Wasn't Georgetown involved wit Evan Smotrycz? He'd look good as that 4/5 that can shoot from distance.
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Post by RDF on Mar 20, 2011 15:12:17 GMT -5
"Perfection doesn't exist--but you can't improve if you refuse to accept the fact you don't know all either." No comment It's a post like this that symbolizes Georgetown basketball's attitude lately.. An out of touch, uninformed person living in the past, who hides like a scared child when the people he doesn't care for are proven correct in their take on the program--so he wants to throw a haymaker and instead delivers an open handed slap. Then when the haymakers fly--he begs for help or runs away and hides. Whether you like how the message is delivered or not--can't say the message has been incorrect. But way to try and sneak in and get a punk slap in--that's how a lot of you guys act after the team goes south due to the issues that have been discussed for years continues to take them down. For a guy who talks about flowers and the bigger scope of life--you behave like a guy who wants to engage in the nastier side of things with us who tend to take issue with how the program has performed/needs to do to change. Since this is a basketball board and not a social board for flowers/bunnies and how we need to count our blessings that we're not dead, either talk basketball or PM me any shot you feel free to get off your chest. EDITED. Just think you're completely out of your element here and if you want to get into it--don't do it like the Hoyas play in NCAA's--at least grow a set and fire away. RDF, layoff the gratuitous age reference. - WBH
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Post by harlemhoya on Mar 20, 2011 16:10:25 GMT -5
John Beilein can coach his ass off
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 20, 2011 16:25:20 GMT -5
His system can scare anyone on a given day, but not ever going anywhere playing 4 guys 6'5 and under, though.
not sure why Coach K played into his hands putting Kelly at the 5 spot. fueled their run late.
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