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Post by balla on Oct 16, 2007 9:03:12 GMT -5
Just committed to KSU. He was a good player, but with Lil Thompson, Armwood, Vinson, and Karron Johnson, GU has a lot of options...
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Post by jhoyafan on Oct 16, 2007 9:43:29 GMT -5
i was just going to ask about him. Everything i had read here in the past had him pretty high on the Hoyas. Did we cool on him or was never a top priority?
It seemed most folks here who had seen Judge had nothing but good things to say about him - although it had been awhile since his name was mentioned. Sounds like KSU got a good one.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 16, 2007 9:49:43 GMT -5
AAU team sent him to K state. Probably weren't going to take him anyway unless we missed on people we were higher on.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 16, 2007 10:15:06 GMT -5
Sounds like KSU assistant coach and area native Delonte Hill, who delivered Michael Beasley, has struck again w/Judge.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 16, 2007 10:16:50 GMT -5
Dalonte Hill must be a heckuva guy.
Complete unknown HC, middle of nowhere. No real history of success.
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Post by RDF on Oct 16, 2007 10:42:19 GMT -5
Judge is a fantastic prospect and loved GU--had an offer, and was a priority--and then he was placed at Arlington Country Day--aka KSU Prep School. Once he went down there--this was over for anyone but KSU. Wish him best and on to other kids on the list as Balla mentioned.
BTW--the list that Balla mentioned above--that is absolutely SICK. To know that all of them were at GU for MM at the same time? Just amazing.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 16, 2007 11:19:54 GMT -5
exactly RDF. Once they got him outta DC, that was it.
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 16, 2007 12:37:40 GMT -5
It's all good, as mentioned there is a connection between Assault and Hill/KSU. They have gotten some other Assault/area kids out there lately in Beasely and Jamar Samuels and they had a bunch more DC area kids out at their midnight madness last weekend with Wallace, Daryl Traynham, Rodney McGruder and more. Once Judge transferred to that prep school in Florida it didn't look good for us. He is a good player for sure but fortunately for us there are a lot of good forwards in his class so we will be cool anyway.
I have been operating under the assumption that Hollis Thompson is the Hoyas first choice for forward in '09. There are several other good ones with Hoya offers like Vinson, Armwood, Dante Taylor, Karron Johnson, and Mason Plumlee from that same class. With scholarships being low, we are probably only getting one of those guys, so the fact that it isn't Wally doesn't worry me too much. As long as we land one, we're good.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 16, 2007 14:38:49 GMT -5
HT is not a 4 though and that is Wally's position right now. I think Hollis is being recruited as a 2/3. Armwood would prob be the top local target in '09 since he was at MM. I still think it will be HT and DR in the end.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 16, 2007 16:12:34 GMT -5
I think Hollis is being recruited as a 2. That will have to be his NBA position, and in '09-'10, we'll really only have 3 true guards plus Omar, if he develops as a 2 (having not seen him, not sure if he'll end up as a guard, or more a Tyler Crawford type player).
Since Jason is more of an all-aroudn team player, I think Hollis may fit in well, replacing/ backing up Austin as a scoring 2 (it would be Austin's junior year).
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 16, 2007 16:53:51 GMT -5
who's our three when Dajuan leaves? I assumed in 09 we were getting another 3 i thought that's what HT was?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 16, 2007 17:22:53 GMT -5
Scholarship-wise, we're in a really, really tough/weird spot.
Start out with the assumption that Omar is on schollie and for the moment, no one jumps early. Looking at our current commits, this is our situation '09-'10:
Small Guards - Rivers, Wright, Clark Wings - Summers, Freeman, Wattad, Mescheriakov Bigs - Monroe, Macklin, Sims, Braswell
Plus 2 scholarships (one '07 plus Jessie's). If this was the scenario, what would you go for?
1. Big, probably in the versatile mold. 2. True SF so Freeman isn't staying there if Wattad or Nikita haven't developed. 3. Backup G as we'll be down to three.
And that's just for TWO scholarships. You'd almost want to combine #2 and #3 (a Hollis Thompson type).
Here's the issue -- we know that all those guys staying isn't likely. Ignoring transfers and only focusing on possible NBA defections, your roster could look like this:
Small Guards - Rivers, Clark Wings - Wattad, Mescheriakov Bigs - Sims, Braswell
Plus 2 scholarships given earlier and 5 more available later.
Yes, this is a worst case scenario, and no, I don't think everyone gets to jump. Still, the real problem is that there is a chance that up to five players could leave before the '09-'10 season and after the '09 class signs.
How many ships do you give out in '09? Do you run the risk of having to revoke an offer or tell someone that can't come back for another year? Yes, the chance of DaJuan staying for four years is very, very low, but what if he wanted to? What if Monroe slipped a bit in the draft and wanted another? Isn't the upside there huge? You don't want to have to go scouring for Spring signees in the Class of '09, but there's so much uncertainty.
I am fairly certain you could offer three more people between now and '09. Someone will jump; someone will transfer. But it is important to look at who those need to be.
Unless you have supreme confidence in Nikita or want to play small, it seems to me one of those MUST be a wing. Whether it is Armwood or Woolridge or Thompson I don't know, but DaJuan will almost certainly be gone and Freeman is not exactly guaranteed to be a four year player, either.
Next is probably a big. Is that Gilchrist or Riley? Can you afford to take both? Guard will not be a need most likely, as Clark and Rivers will be be here (or if there is a transfer, there's another scholarship) and '10 has some great guards. And Chris is 6' (I think both he and Austin are best bets to be 3 year players).
It is an interesting dilemma and having so much possible NBA talent is a headache on the succession planning.
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Post by RDF on Oct 16, 2007 17:52:12 GMT -5
I've been asking people who have seen Hollis play more then I have--which is just off clips and a Fox West Coast Game last year--who he reminds them of--and answer was Reggie Williams. Add to that Hollis is 6'7 and still growing--and he could play forward.
I still think GU signs 3 in '09.
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Post by balla on Oct 16, 2007 18:11:27 GMT -5
Good points SF, but I agree with RDF. I'm sure the coaches have figured out the schollie situation. Gus will come mid-year as an 07. Then there is Lil Thompsn and Riley for 09. I think there will be room for a total of 3 schollies somewhere in 09, which will allow for some outside fire power. Either; Armwood Karron Johnson Mcdonald Lance Stephenson
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 16, 2007 20:55:10 GMT -5
I agree with balla and RDF, I still think we land 3 in '09. If I were guessing today it would be Thompson, Riley, and the Best available player, which might be Johnson, Stephenson, McDonald, Armwood, Vinson, Taylor, Plumlee, or someone else. SF, your worst case is just "too worse" for me to really indulge in. I can see talking about DaJuan early, as he had a great freshman year and has the body to easily transition to the NBA 3. I can see talking about Monroe, as most kids who are top 5 in their class leave early for the pros. But I'm not ready to do it yet for Macklin. He wasn't particularly impressive as a freshman. He was definitely playing behind some good players, but he didn't do much to wow you over the course of the year other than shooting some of the worst free throws I've ever seen. I know he is said to have improved and has potential to get even better but I'll believe it when I see it. Of course there's some small chance that he leaves early, but you know, but at this point he hasn't shown anywhere near enough for me to think he's a first rounder by his junior year. Maybe after this season that will be revised--and if so, there is still time to adjust the recruiting strategy. Ditto Freeman, who is without NBA position. I've only seen him play a few times, and he is good for sure. I think he will be a great college player. But what is he playing in the pros? I've stood next to him, and he is definitely no bigger than 6'4 IMO. That really isn't big enough for the NBA 2guard, and he hasn't shown any propensity to play point for now. I think he's Aaron Afflalo less an inch or so, which I expect keeps him in college for 4 years, 3 at the very least. CW, maybe could go early. It's tough to say. He has a well-defined position and a style of play that will translate well to the NBA. With him, it will depend on how well he actually performs. However, I don't expect him to start as a freshman and the way things are going there's a decent chance he doesn't start as a sophomore either (next year's starters on paper would seem to be Sapp, Freeman, Summers, Monroe, Macklin) so if he does end up leaving early I don't think it will be until after his junior year, unless he really blows us away which is possible. I fully expect our '09 lineup to include G-Wright, Rivers G-Freeman, Clark, Wattad F- ?, Mescheriakov F-Sims, Braswell C-Macklin, ? And I think we're in the process right now of filling those two " ?" slots, which could be with some '08 ('07?) guys, and '09 guys as well. And if anything major looks to change over the course of the year, ie Wright blows up and we realize he is only going to be here 2 years, there is still a lot of time to recruit an '09 guard next spring/summer.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 16, 2007 21:10:02 GMT -5
i agree with RB's projection in 09. and i see hollis and riley filling those two question marks. If gilchrest comes he's also fill the second question mark.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 16, 2007 21:37:46 GMT -5
SF,
Why didn't you include Freeman as a "true guard?" Is the idea that he'll have to play SF because Summers will be gone?
I doubt Freeman or Wright leave after two years. 1 of them probably won't even start next year, and neither will be able to put up huge stats in our system. Besides that, guys their height are less likely to leave early.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 17, 2007 3:03:15 GMT -5
I didn't use "true guard," I used "small guard" and "wing." I think Freeman could play the 2 or 3 if necessary and so is more a "wing" than a "small guard." I would expect a small guard is someone you'd play at the 1/2. a wing at 2/3 and maybe 4 and a big at the 4/5.
As I said in the original post, I really doubt the worst case scenario comes true. But I think it is illustrative about where the real needs are -- one at wing (and specifically SF) and one at big.
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Post by idhoya on Oct 17, 2007 10:52:12 GMT -5
Austin, while not a point, does have a nice handle. At 6'4, he'd most likely have to play point at the next level, but its not inconceivable that he'd play the two. Ben Gordon is small and plays the two with the Bulls. Austin will have to get quicker, but strength, moves and athleticism are all there, albeit deceptively. Importantly, he has what most NBA guards don't have right now and that's a mid-range game. He's last a long time in the league with that skill. Especially knowing when to use it. Sprewell was a great athlete, but had a "killer" mid-range game, he just "couldn't feed his family off of 8 million a year", so he hasn't played for a minute.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Oct 17, 2007 11:06:10 GMT -5
FWIW, Gilbert Arenas is listed at 6' 4".
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