Positives....Yea, I said it!

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

I figured there wouldn't be many rational posts on this board. I saw a few things I liked:

1) Crowd. They/We were trying to get into the game all night long and I thought the fans tried.
2) Effort. For the most part, guys are trying, they just aren't finishing and are probably overthinking the game.

I pointed this out on another post. We were borderline top 25 to start the season. With our play, everyone (including me) started dreaming big. Now that we are playing opponents who know our game, we need to be even more crisp and our efforts need to be consistent. If we hit free throws in the first half and Chris doesn't get in foul trouble, we are in that game against a team who I think is just much better then us at this point.

I still can't explain WVU or St. John's but a rally against Rutgers, the Hall & St. John's gets us back to .500 and the middle of the pack. We are probably more of a 10-8 or 11-7 (let's hope) type team and if we can get this figured out, everybody will forget about this with a decent tourney run which would likely occur against teams that don't know us well.

[LeRoyHoya]

Problem is that it is the competiton that has it "figured out." But hey, I'll buy what you're selling. IF....we take the next 3, I think we're staring at an 8-10 conference record, early exit in the BE, and a potential 10 seed.

[HoyaSouth]

Jan 13, 2011 9:16:46 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

I figured there wouldn't be many rational posts on this board. I saw a few things I liked:

1) Crowd. They/We were trying to get into the game all night long and I thought the fans tried.
2) Effort. For the most part, guys are trying, they just aren't finishing and are probably overthinking the game.

I pointed this out on another post. We were borderline top 25 to start the season. With our play, everyone (including me) started dreaming big. Now that we are playing opponents who know our game, we need to be even more crisp and our efforts need to be consistent. If we hit free throws in the first half and Chris doesn't get in foul trouble, we are in that game against a team who I think is just much better then us at this point.

I still can't explain WVU or St. John's but a rally against Rutgers, the Hall & St. John's gets us back to .500 and the middle of the pack. We are probably more of a 10-8 or 11-7 (let's hope) type team and if we can get this figured out, everybody will forget about this with a decent tourney run which would likely occur against teams that don't know us well.

What gives you the confidence to predict that kind of finish to the season? Yet you scream about irrationality. "I pointed this out on another post. We were borderline top 25 to start the season. With our play, everyone (including me) started dreaming big" How convenient. "If, If, If" This is the problem. Excuse making and blind optimism. Not saying be a pessimist but this attitude and tenor contributes to the product. JTIII should be held accountable and needs to do something. He can start by shaking up the starting lineup.

"Top 5 coach"

[757hoyafan]

I love this team!!

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

South, I am assuming that those who know better then random chat board posters and who have control of the team will make these moves. I also don't think things are as bad as they currently appear to be nor were they as good as they appeared to be in our OOC. Our flaws are being picked apart and I don't think the solution resides on the bench. I would like to see Vee in to attack inside with his floater and see two true bigs in at all times (Vaughn, Sims, Lubick) but that is about it. PITT was a much better team. We need to be the average teams (St. Johns, WVU, SH, Rutgers, Cincy, USF) and then try to steal from some the teams that are better. That is the new formula for this year and I think they are starting to get it based on recent recruiting and stacking up bigs like PITT & Cuse have on their bench.

[strummer8526]

Jan 13, 2011 9:27:46 GMT -5 HoyaSouth said:

Jan 13, 2011 9:16:46 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

I figured there wouldn't be many rational posts on this board. I saw a few things I liked:

1) Crowd. They/We were trying to get into the game all night long and I thought the fans tried.
2) Effort. For the most part, guys are trying, they just aren't finishing and are probably overthinking the game.

I pointed this out on another post. We were borderline top 25 to start the season. With our play, everyone (including me) started dreaming big. Now that we are playing opponents who know our game, we need to be even more crisp and our efforts need to be consistent. If we hit free throws in the first half and Chris doesn't get in foul trouble, we are in that game against a team who I think is just much better then us at this point.

I still can't explain WVU or St. John's but a rally against Rutgers, the Hall & St. John's gets us back to .500 and the middle of the pack. We are probably more of a 10-8 or 11-7 (let's hope) type team and if we can get this figured out, everybody will forget about this with a decent tourney run which would likely occur against teams that don't know us well.

What gives you the confidence to predict that kind of finish to the season? Yet you scream about irrationality. "I pointed this out on another post. We were borderline top 25 to start the season. With our play, everyone (including me) started dreaming big" How convenient. "If, If, If" This is the problem. Excuse making and blind optimism. Not saying be a pessimist but this attitude and tenor contributes to the product. JTIII should be held accountable and needs to do something. He can start by shaking up the starting lineup.

"Top 5 coach"

For every time you sign off with "Top 5 coach," I hope something bad happens to you today. Not because I disagree with everything you say. (Frankly, some of your doom and gloom is accurate. We don't look good, and it's very troubling.) But , rather, because you're a dick about it.

[FrazierFanatic]

The problem with having two bigs in at all times is that this means we are even more limited offensively. With the exception of Julian's hit-or-miss moves inside, none of the bigs have any real offensive game at this point. I don't see how they develop much this season, and if that is the case, the offense needs to come from the Big 3 plus Hollis, not sure we can afford to have one or more of them out for long stretches.

[williambraskyiii]

Unfortunately, I see nothing, I mean absolutely nothing, that gives me hope about the remainder of this season. Georgetown hasn't played a full game of competent basketball all year (Missouri maybe?) and certainly not to date in the Big East. They consistently fall behind against quality opponents and look completely lost on offense and defense. In past games, hot shooting has prevented the worst case scenario, but once we stopped shooting 55%+ from the field, inevitably, we have emerged as plainly mediocre.

I don't know who to blame, but I honestly can't see how this team finishes better than 9-9 in conference and that is an optimistic prediction from my perspective.

I'm not trying to be a chicken little, but this season seems all but lost to me. JTIII has had plenty of success in his years here, but this is incredibly disappointing given the individual talent and the upperclassmen presence on this team.

[ScreamingHoya]

I was Editeded after traveling 10 1/2 hours to ND to see us get our butts kicked, and then play with no heart against St. Johns and WVU. However, I honestly have no idea what some people are talking about on this board when they say yesterday was an embarrassing performance, we looked lost, etc. etc.

I was there and all I saw from beginning to end was hustle and solid basketball on our part. I really hate when I hear JT3 say things like "shots didn't fall" but that's honestly how I felt about last night.

We went behind in the first half because Pitt COULD NOT miss even when we were playing very good D and had hands in their faces. On our end, I thought we were playing pretty well on offense and shots just weren't falling- I think I counted 6 or 7 shots that went in and out or rolled around the rim. If a couple of those had fallen and we converted on half of the 10 FT that we missed in the 1st half (which was completely inexcusable), it's a completely different game- we're down 5 or 6 instead of 17 at the half.

I've seen people in the last 12 hours hop on this board and make claims like "we couldn't do anything last night- our rebounding sucked, x sucked, y sucked". Really? As a matter of fact we fought for boards and rebounded incredibly well- we got outrebounded by 2 by a much bigger team.

I was incredibly encouraged by what I saw last night in spite of the score- our guys played hard and with enthusiasm and wanted that win badly. Before this game, I was very worried about the rest of the season- now I'm going to be bold and make a prediction that we finish conference play 9-4:

Wins against Seton Hall, Rutgers, St. John's.
Go 1-1 against Nova/Louisville
Win against Providence
Lose to Cuse
Wins against Marquette, UConn, and South Florida
and finish up 2-1 against Cincy, Cuse, Cincy.

Now let's cue Bronxie, Hoya Heaven and everyone else that just comes on here to troll and say how we're finishing the season 3-10.

[Boz]

^^^^^^^^^^^

I like this guy.

I like to try to be optimistic too, but man, there's no denying the frustration that was on everyone's faces last night.

There is a confidence problem, I'd say even with the coaches. And that can be a difficult thing to turn around.

I agree that there is not an effort problem. (maybe a little but in the WVU game).

All we can do is continue to support them, so that's what I'll do. No matter how much it hurts.

When we beat Syracuse, it will be all the sweeter.

[saxagael]

Positives from last night to me were Henry's boards and defense in the 2nd half and Nate finally taking a wide open 3 and draining it. Nate shows good offensive skill, but 1st looks to pass, 2nd looks to pass, 3rd fake a shot and pass, and 4th shoot (he needs a green light).

[hifigator]

Jan 13, 2011 12:14:45 GMT -5 ScreamingHoya said:

I was Editeded after traveling 10 1/2 hours to ND to see us get our butts kicked, and then play with no heart against St. Johns and WVU. However, I honestly have no idea what some people are talking about on this board when they say yesterday was an embarrassing performance, we looked lost, etc. etc.

I was there and all I saw from beginning to end was hustle and solid basketball on our part. I really hate when I hear JT3 say things like "shots didn't fall" but that's honestly how I felt about last night.

We went behind in the first half because Pitt COULD NOT miss even when we were playing very good D and had hands in their faces. On our end, I thought we were playing pretty well on offense and shots just weren't falling- I think I counted 6 or 7 shots that went in and out or rolled around the rim. If a couple of those had fallen and we converted on half of the 10 FT that we missed in the 1st half (which was completely inexcusable), it's a completely different game- we're down 5 or 6 instead of 17 at the half.

I've seen people in the last 12 hours hop on this board and make claims like "we couldn't do anything last night- our rebounding sucked, x sucked, y sucked". Really? As a matter of fact we fought for boards and rebounded incredibly well- we got outrebounded by 2 by a much bigger team.

I was incredibly encouraged by what I saw last night in spite of the score- our guys played hard and with enthusiasm and wanted that win badly. Before this game, I was very worried about the rest of the season- now I'm going to be bold and make a prediction that we finish conference play 9-4:

Wins against Seton Hall, Rutgers, St. John's.
Go 1-1 against Nova/Louisville
Win against Providence
Lose to Cuse
Wins against Marquette, UConn, and South Florida
and finish up 2-1 against Cincy, Cuse, Cincy.

Now let's cue Bronxie, Hoya Heaven and everyone else that just comes on here to troll and say how we're finishing the season 3-10.

Good pots! Only quibble is that losing to Cuse thing. That's never acceptable. It certainly might happen, but with a complete effort from the boys, there's no reason we couldn't handle the orange.

Bottom line, let's right this ship. We have had a rough start, but this has been a tougher stretch of opponents as well. I have no doubt that we can get this thing going in the right direction again. So let's do it!

[ScreamingHoya]

Yeah, this thread happened one month ago. Seems pretty silly now, doesn't it? And by silly, I'm referring to HoyaSouth and the others predicting a losing in-conference record, early exit from the tournament, JT3 getting fired, Georgetown getting booted from the Big East conference, the Hoyas folding their basketball program....

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[superan]

Trust the staff.

[FrazierFanatic]

Feb 13, 2011 16:29:34 GMT -5 ScreamingHoya said:

Yeah, this thread happened one month ago. Seems pretty silly now, doesn't it? And by silly, I'm referring to HoyaSouth and the others predicting a losing in-conference record, early exit from the tournament, JT3 getting fired, Georgetown getting booted from the Big East conference, the Hoyas folding their basketball program....

Actually screaming your prediction of 9-4 the last 13 conference games looks pretty silly - you really undersold the Hoyas! lol Actually not many would have been even that bold back then, thanks for keeping the faith. Hoya Saxa.

[HoyaSouth]

Feb 13, 2011 16:29:34 GMT -5 ScreamingHoya said:

Yeah, this thread happened one month ago. Seems pretty silly now, doesn't it? And by silly, I'm referring to HoyaSouth and the others predicting a losing in-conference record, early exit from the tournament, JT3 getting fired, Georgetown getting booted from the Big East conference, the Hoyas folding their basketball program....

They're winning, no one is happier than I am. JTIII did what he is paid to do. Make adjustments and not stick his head in the sand(like he normally does). The proof is in the mid season swoons. This means nothing if they get a #2 seed and get bounced out of the tourney before the first tourney wknd is out. I contend he made changes because he felt the heat and heard the "fire JTIII" chants.

I'm happy, not ecstatic. His recent tourney record gives me reason to pause.

[swhoya]

As silly as Hoyasouth's comments were a month ago, just as silly were naysayer's comments in-game today, particularly in the first half. Forget the great basketball we've played the last 8 games; the fact that we had such bad rebounding for a 15 minute stretch meant the world was absolutely collapsing. Well, how did that work out?

That's the problem with predictions and comments made on the basis of limited snapshots in time.

[chep3]

Wow. Classic example of how one's preconceived notions affect how one interprets facts. He made changes not because he's a good coach, but because he heard several people on this board (who generally didn't suggest tactical changes but wanted us to prematurely age or get finance degrees). His tourney record (7-4 if I'm not mistaken) gives one "reason to pause." Also, nice way to drop snide critiques in what ostensibly is supposed to be a concession that he is doing a good job.

Basically I read this to mean the trolls are coming right back out when this win streak ends.

[superan]

So what you're saying is you were completely wrong about this team and Coach's abilities to bounce back from adversity and are now trying to save face when clearly called out regarding only posting on these boards when you have nothing positive to contribute. Except you still feel it necessary to throw JT3 under the bus ("head in the sand (like he normally does)").

And yes, this season will still mean something even if they lose in the first round of the tourney because I have plenty of memories to remember this team and these players by (JT3s first win at Syracuse, Hollis clutch 3s, CW 3 vs Mizzou, Freemans dismantling of Nova, etc etc). Just like I will always remember Greg Monroe's 12 assist game vs Providence, his dismantling of Marquette in the BET, his embarrassment of the Plumlees with the President courtside, his domination of Nova in the snowpacalypse. And this is despite our loss to Ohio. Disappointing end to an otherwise memorable season.

So, please, lighten up and get your head out of the sand.