richfame
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Post by richfame on Dec 2, 2010 19:26:13 GMT -5
My question is would this team be playing as well, or should I say aggressive if GM stayed in college?? Is it fair to say we are better off without him?
Second question do you think GM made a mistake leaving early? Hes averaging like 5 points a game or something..... Your thoughts....
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Post by skyhoya on Dec 2, 2010 19:32:57 GMT -5
Greg took the money, (I don't blame him for one second)he might be a great player or a great disappointment, who knows, these skinny bigmen have a lot of injury problems. The team now goes to Awesomew Austin and Chris the Wrighway in clinch time. This year they look better than Greg last year. It might be an addition by subtraction for the HOYAS.
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Post by 1991 on Dec 2, 2010 19:34:21 GMT -5
We would be awesome and #1 in the country if Greg stayed. But he had the opportunity to cash a check which I cannot blame him for doing.
This team is doing quite well for not having Monroe.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 2, 2010 19:34:24 GMT -5
No, a junior Greg would have been awesome with our senior leaders. We would be right there with Duke for #1 right now. Plus, he could have helped with the new frontcourt players.
Yes, I think he could have used one more season at GU, but I don't know what he considered (other than the money) that made him decide it was time to leave.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 2, 2010 19:34:58 GMT -5
I don't believe in addition by subtraction in general. Greg would be better, and this team would be better. I do think the offense might be better now than last year's, but that's different.
As for the defense, it's worse without Greg.
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 2, 2010 19:35:51 GMT -5
I was actually thinking about this the other day. Would this team be better with Greg? I mean, with him in the middle the guards may have felt more obligated to pass it to him then doing the kind of driving and ball reversals they are doing now. Of course, perhaps this is ridiculous because subbing Monroe for Vaughn would be an obvious upgrade.
I think it is VERY early to be talking about Monroe in the NBA. Remember how Roy was at first? Look at him now.
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 2, 2010 20:53:00 GMT -5
I think this team is better than last year's team, simply because everybody else is one year more experienced and we have more depth so we're not always conserving energy/fouls. But I agree with others that this team this year would be better with Greg and right up there in the conversation with Duke as the best in the land. Not that I don't think we have a shooter's chance of knocking off Duke without Greg, but with him, we're dominant.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2010 20:53:43 GMT -5
it is what it is i tell my patients dont worry about things you cant do anything about so IT IS WHAT IT IS and best of luck to greg a great hoya im sure hell be just fine.. jeff roy alot were doubters of what inhibited them under the thompson georgetown-princeton system AND NOW eveyrone saying how well prepared our grad our for the nba and there talking game wise AND character wise GO HOYAS goood luck to all and it is what it is .. only thing that counts wright now is beating utah state cause thats the NEXT game one at a time dont look back dont look forward go hoyas
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2010 20:54:24 GMT -5
we will see re duke we will see
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 2, 2010 20:57:20 GMT -5
^ depth is the biggest factor, IMO. We ran a 7 man rotation last year with 2 players being freshman.
this team would be better with Greg. no doubt about it. but without him, we look damn good and I'm excited to see how we hold up.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 2, 2010 21:01:53 GMT -5
Im going to take the opposite view. This team is better off without Monroe. The reason? We know who leads this team, and last year we didn't. This team is better off with the dominant personality of Chris and the determination of Austin. Greg was really laid back, and there were times we played like that. And if Greg were here, we'd be force feeding him the ball, instead of PLAYING ball. If Greg were here, Jason doesn't develop because he's still stuck as our fourth option.
Just my opinion on the matter
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 2, 2010 21:05:07 GMT -5
Im going to take the opposite view. This team is better off without Monroe. The reason? We know who leads this team, and last year we didn't. This team is better off with the dominant personality of Chris and the determination of Austin. Greg was really laid back, and there were times we played like that. And if Greg were here, we'd be force feeding him the ball, instead of PLAYING ball. If Greg were here, Jason doesn't develop because he's still stuck as our fourth option. Just my opinion on the matter I can see that, but I think Chris and Austin take the lead this year even with Greg back, because as you said, Greg was laid back and he wouldn't do it, and Chris and Austin know this is the year they have to do it. And I don't see any reason to believe Jason and Hollis don't make the same kind of progress they have shown. Sims would likely not be the same player, but we wouldn't need him.
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Post by hoyadestroya on Dec 2, 2010 21:16:54 GMT -5
Anyone else hear Gottdweeb talk about how this Hoya team resembles last year's Dukie team? I have to agree with him, great guard play and bigs getting them the ball. As much as I love having a GM type big man, I'm enjoying watching the up and down play so far this season compared to the slower tempo last year. The O just seems to be flowing better without crowding up the middle.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 2, 2010 21:31:37 GMT -5
hey heard dougie say that and i think that is a true comment but IT ALSO IS WHAT IT IS !!!
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Post by shafty55 on Dec 2, 2010 21:34:41 GMT -5
I think it's a very difficult question to answer. He was the focal point of the offense last year. In that high post he facilitated our half court sets. I have no idea if we would be better or worse. I will say this; I think it's a crime the guy's only playing 17 minutes a game on a pistons team that's terrible. What's it helping them having a 36 year old Ben Wallace starting? Get Greg some burn he will prove himself in the league.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 3, 2010 6:14:27 GMT -5
I don't believe in addition by subtraction in general. Greg would be better, and this team would be better. I do think the offense might be better now than last year's, but that's different. As for the defense, it's worse without Greg. This. Look we have senior guards, folks. Austin and Chris are now better because they are a year older. Same with Jason. Without Greg we may contend for a national championship. With Greg we definitely would contend for one and would have been pre-season ranked no lower than #3. As for Greg's decision I wished he had stayed three seasons but I'm thankful he stayed at least two. He made a choice that was best for him and his family and I wish him well. I think he will be a fantatsic player eventually in the NBA too.
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 3, 2010 8:09:35 GMT -5
Very difficult question. I tend to agree with what most have said - we would be a better team with greg this year. As long as chris and austin were the leaders (as they clearly are now). I think that determination and the rest of the team buying in - helps tremendously, lest we forget greg's first year here.
I think with greg we would be final 4 and nat championship contenders. I think this team as dougie said is much like duke's last year - and thus certainly has an outside chance at a nat title - but a lot has to go our way.
as for greg - i don't think we can say he should have stayed / should not have. Did he need the money? was he guarenteed a lottery pick? would he have slipped in this year's draft?
however, his game certainly would have developed more if he had stayed. he needs to get stronger. specifically his lower body. He needs to finish better around the rim - and get more consistency on his 10 - 15 fters.
that said - i would be starting him over ben wallace. the piston's are terrible and greg is meant to be part of their rebuild. why not get him as much time as possible?
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Post by hoyasexy on Dec 3, 2010 8:18:30 GMT -5
If this year's team is the same as last year's Duke team, then there's the answer to the question. This year's team with Greg added is last year's team. And last year's team destroyed last year's Duke team. Therefore, this year's team would be better with Greg.
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Post by wahoohoya on Dec 3, 2010 8:52:53 GMT -5
Offensively, tough to answer. Without Greg, our guards definitely have to be more aggressive, which as we've seen so far, is a very good thing. With Greg, the offense would go through him more, but I still think Chris is the leader and Austin is Austin.
Defensively, I don't think it's close. Maybe Henry/Nate/Julian prove to be adequate and Moses can make a contribution as a defensive specialist this year, but while Greg wasn't known as a great defender, he could hold his own with anyone. Look no further than the SU game in the BET. And Greg was invaluable in exposing Duke last year.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 9:39:48 GMT -5
^ depth is the biggest factor, IMO. We ran a 7 man rotation last year with 2 players being freshman. this team would be better with Greg. no doubt about it. but without him, we look damn good and I'm excited to see how we hold up. This. Depth. I saw no chemistry issues last year, and Monroe did very well when the ball was in his hands. Adding a great freshman class and losing no one else improved this team immensely. Like lic said, it is what it is, Greg spent some great time and I wish him the best. I don't think that it's fair to him to say that the reason we're succeeding now is because he's not here.
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