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Post by chep3 on Dec 3, 2010 10:09:46 GMT -5
We'd be the best team in the country (but ranked #2). We'd be deep, big, with great great guards. Yeah the playing style might have been slightly different than what we've seen in the first 7 games, but we'd be nasty.
That being said, can't blame Greg for being a top 10 pick. Just hope he does well in Detroit.
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Post by The Stig on Dec 3, 2010 10:19:38 GMT -5
The offense is better because Chris, Austin, and all our other returning players are better, not because we don't have Greg. If Greg was back, I'm pretty sure we'd be even better now than we were last year. Remember how much better the team was with Greg on the floor versus when he was on the bench?
The one and only part of this team that's better off without Greg is Henry Sims. If Greg's still around, I'm not sure we see Henry emerge like he has this year. He might still have improved a lot, but with Greg around we might not have gotten the chance to see it.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Dec 3, 2010 10:25:05 GMT -5
It is early but I do not miss Greg. He was a good player but I think his soft personality became endemic. Who knows what happens down the stretch but right now we play aggressive and we no longer get dominated on the boards. Again this is subject to change when we enter league play.
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Post by Dhall on Dec 3, 2010 10:36:40 GMT -5
I am certain that some of the Big East coaches will find a way to make it more difficult for Austin and Jason in particular to light them up for threes like they've been doing to everyone else. So in that regard it would be nicer to have Greg as the option down low compared to our current frontcourt when threes are not easily available. I really don't know if defense would be any better with Greg - this year's big guys seem to play harder even if they aren't as big/skilled defensively.
Having said that, Austin would still be the best player on this team even with Greg on it (though Greg might be a better pro). So crunch time, end of games, close games, etc. I would want Austin as the primary option rather than Greg, and I'm not sure that would have worked out if Greg were on the team because he would have the ball in his hands and making all the decisions. Bottom line is that I think we have a better shot in tight situations this year and in that way, I'm glad Greg is gone, so long as we don't get overmatched before it gets to an end-of-game issue. Not sure if any of this logic makes sense, but that's my gut.
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Post by RDF on Dec 3, 2010 11:19:28 GMT -5
It worked out best for both Greg and the team--and Greg was a great player at Georgetown--and gave his best on/off the court--so no reason to put him down or speculate on something we don't know about because it can't be proven.
I will say--it's more enjoyable as a fan to watch this year's team to this point because of the self improvement in terms of utilizing the bench more, and better depth. Also, I'll pose the question--since Pops alluded to it a bit on his show--if you want to talk about addition by subtraction--I'll go with Robert Kirby/Dave Cox and Daryl Prue/Matt Henry but that's just my two cents.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 3, 2010 11:36:15 GMT -5
The extra aspects to the offense that Greg brings is a good point. Also, people seem to imply that Greg wasn't tough -- and while he wasn't a banger, he rebounded well. I think this thread reads a lot different the first game we aren't shooting well, someone takes away the three or we get wildly out-rebounded by someone.
I love the increased bench and Henry's emergence. I'm not sure whether or not it happens with Greg, but that's not really a failing on Greg, is it? Imagine a this team with a Greg who had improved, gave up shots to the improved guards and focused more on D. Ridiculously good.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 3, 2010 11:39:57 GMT -5
The extra aspects to the offense that Greg brings is a good point. Also, people seem to imply that Greg wasn't tough -- and while he wasn't a banger, he rebounded well. I think this thread reads a lot different the first game we aren't shooting well, someone takes away the three or we get wildly out-rebounded by someone. I love the increased bench and Henry's emergence. I'm not sure whether or not it happens with Greg, but that's not really a failing on Greg, is it? Imagine a this team with a Greg who had improved, gave up shots to the improved guards and focused more on D. Ridiculously good. Post of the week.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Dec 3, 2010 13:43:26 GMT -5
I liked Greg but there is no denying he was soft and weak with the ball.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 3, 2010 14:03:22 GMT -5
I liked Greg but there is no denying he was soft and weak with the ball. Umm, a lot of people would deny that. Prone to sweeping generalizations much?
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Dec 3, 2010 14:37:44 GMT -5
He was not soft? And his turnovers were maddening. You can disagree because you are in hero worship mode. I actually discussed this topic with the man who runs the most successful basketball team in the world. He agreed so what you or anyone else says means nothing to Bronxie.
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Post by jester on Dec 3, 2010 14:38:11 GMT -5
We don't know what the team would be like with Greg back...
But the offense flows through guards this yr, and through Greg last yr. I would argue our offense has been better (if not balanced), but we can point to other reasons why other than Greg's absence.
I think the D/rebounding will be better generally, as we have more depth and the new Sims/Lubick seem decent at boards/banging. Greg was sometimes too worried about fouls (and perhaps correctly so, since we had no options behind him offensively).
Bottom line, I don't feel Greg will necessarily be the x-factor that brings us to the top - the way Green could have if he stayed that one yr. I think the x-factor is the development of Defense/Rebounding that Greg represented and was our greatest weakness (despite or b/c of him), and given that we are 7-0 with bigs who are still getting feet wet, I am excited...we lost Greg but we have the opportunity to make gains in area of weakness due to this yrs personnel and depth.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 14:38:51 GMT -5
He was not soft? And his turnovers were maddening. You can disagree because you are in hero worship mode. I actually discussed this topic with the man who runs the most successful basketball team in the world. He agreed so what you or anyone else says means nothing to Bronxie. So how is the head of Maccabi Tel Aviv doing? Oh, and see if you can check out a tape of the Providence game from last year. I had a man-crush on Monroe after that.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Dec 3, 2010 14:43:20 GMT -5
So if you have a man crush would you considers yourself a viable judge on Greg's talents?
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 14:58:33 GMT -5
So if you have a man crush would you considers yourself a viable judge on Greg's talents? It's the man-crush because of his talents, not in spite of him. You say that I had an immature infatuation with him just because I saw him carve up a weak bottom-feeder Big East team. But, no, this was more. Just watching him make pass after beautiful pass, providing the occasional dunk with authoritah, and dominating other centers. Seeing him outplay Thabeet two years ago made my heart flutter. But in between watching him and the rest of the team beat Duke and Villanova and make a crazy run to the Big East Championship game - well, you know how the most dashing people thrive under pressure? That was him. Everyone can have an off day, even if it's in the first round of the NCAAs - and especially if things are difficult when a good friend has just found out that they have an illness. So he's not perfect, but no person really is. I was heartbroken when he said he was going to move on, but I'll still have the memories.
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Post by rjmaxx on Dec 3, 2010 15:37:25 GMT -5
So how is the head of Maccabi Tel Aviv Geno Auriemma doing? Fixed.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 16:00:20 GMT -5
So how is the head of Maccabi Tel Aviv Geno Auriemma doing? Fixed. Geno's an amateur (except the way he pays players - hi-o!). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabi_Tel_Aviv_B.C. "In 1954, the Israeli Basketball League was founded and Maccabi won the first championship. They have dominated the League ever since, winning 48 national championship titles (including 23 in a row between 1970 and 1992) and 36 State Cups. The team has never finished below the third place in the national league."
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Post by hoyabinx on Dec 3, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
He was not soft? And his turnovers were maddening. You can disagree because you are in hero worship mode. I actually discussed this topic with the man who runs the most successful basketball team in the world. He agreed so what you or anyone else says means nothing to Bronxie. Rephrased: "I don't have to address arguments to the contrary of mine because you are an irrational human being. Pseudo name drop, Pseudo name drop. Referencing self in third person." Monroe was not soft. I base this conclusion on his ability to rebound the ball, as evidenced by his 9.6 rebounds a game last year. His finesse game gave the impression he was soft to some, I think.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Dec 3, 2010 16:09:38 GMT -5
The GM of the best franchise in NBA his story agrees with Bronxie. You and your hero worship of young men matter little. If you do not think Greg is soft then you probably do not think water is wet.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 3, 2010 16:14:05 GMT -5
He was not soft? And his turnovers were maddening. You can disagree because you are in hero worship mode. I actually discussed this topic with the man who runs the most successful basketball team in the world. He agreed so what you or anyone else says means nothing to Bronxie. If Greg was soft and his turnovers maddening, what's Julian?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 3, 2010 16:18:01 GMT -5
I think this year's team saw that all of them had to step it up, because we didn't have Greg anymore. They might not have had that urgency this year, if Greg was still here. We did lose to Ohio with Greg in what was essentially his 3rd year (in the sense that they say freshmen are not really freshmen, when the tourney comes around). That being said I would have loved to have Greg back for his junior year. With senior guard leadership and with Greg we would be hard to beat during the season, during the tournaments.
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