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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 19, 2010 11:07:17 GMT -5
...for you FB stalkers out there:
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Post by prhoya on Sept 19, 2010 12:03:07 GMT -5
Congrats to Jabril and his family! Keep working hard on your game.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Sept 19, 2010 13:09:57 GMT -5
Hope he is in Mikaels ear!!!
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Post by gsurus1 on Sept 19, 2010 13:25:18 GMT -5
I've never seen Jabril play, and have only seen highlights from his dunk reel and summer league games, but reading descriptions of him and his game (athletic, tough-minded city kid who likes to get to the basket and dunk on you and enjoys playing defense), I was immediately reminded of the prototypical Pitt kid - i.e., not necessarily a top-40 guy or someone who scores 30 points a game in high school, but someone who plays hard, earns your respect, stays four years and gets better every year, and usually beats you. And sure enough if you look at the Scout player rankings for 2011 Jabril falls squarely inn the middle of where all four Pitt recruits for this year are ranked. Obviously we still need some serious size for next year, but I do like the toughness Lubick, Moses, now Jabril, and even Bennimon bring, as well as the upgraded athleticism of guys like Bowen and Jabril. We definitely need at least one more BE-ready big man for next year, but programs like Pitt have shown that you can never have enough tough, athletic, overlooked mid-sized guys. Plus it would be great to go into another BigEast city like Philly and pull a surprise stud out after having programs like Syracuse, Nova and Pitt raid the DMV for so long. Now if we can get a commit from Hopkins we are actually sitting in pretty good shape for 2011 to be able to take another project BIG guy, perhaps another backup ball handler, maybe a shooting specialist and/or to be able to pick off late bloomers, decommits or transfers in the spring (or even to hold the 4th scholarship for 2012). Of course all of this is predicated on getting a quality big guy to commit soon, and Hopkins seems like our best option so let's hope that he enjoyed the weekend as much as Jabril did.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 19, 2010 19:23:34 GMT -5
JT4 is JT3's son, John Wallace Thompson.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 19, 2010 22:31:31 GMT -5
Yes. Of course, I can also shoot a jumper.
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Post by deacon on Sept 20, 2010 0:11:15 GMT -5
I saw alleninxis state on Twitter that he's heard some people in Philly compare Trawick to former Binghamton guard D.J. Rivera.
If true, I love that comparison except I hope Trawick is closer to 6'6" than he is to 6'1".
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 20, 2010 10:06:01 GMT -5
A big guard, getting better by the month, wants to be a Hoya - a nice solid start to the class of 2011.
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Post by deacon on Sept 20, 2010 11:33:00 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 20, 2010 12:26:10 GMT -5
That helps. Photos that don't show where people are standing, whether or not they are slouching etc.... not 100% definitive. But, it sure looks like he is taller than JT3 -- who, I believe, is 6'4.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 20, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -5
He kind of reminds me of Tyler Crawford in terms of frame at the same stage.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 20, 2010 13:16:54 GMT -5
There's a wide disparity on opinion on Jabril - from A-10 quality to one of the ESPN guys lauding him as a potentially All-BE type of player.
Here's why I'm hopeful it's closer to the latter.
1. All the people who rate him higher note how quickly he is improving. I think a lot of the "A-10" stuff is not based on the summer. Or at least, it's more likely. And while there is a chance he's just been hot at the right times, players do make huge leaps forward at this age.
2. He's had a growth spurt. Smaller players develop better and more guard-centric skill sets, generally. Then they grow. It won't have done much for for his post game, but I bet Jabril has an above average handle, for example.
3. A lot of the negativity on him has been locals. Wait, that sounds like a negative! But I don't think it necessarily is. One, it points to the idea that what they've seen has not been this summer. And two, if they are anything like DC people, there's a hypercriticality of locals in the scene. They focus too much on what a player can't do rather than what he can.
We'll see, but I'm hopeful.
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Post by deacon on Sept 20, 2010 13:18:28 GMT -5
That helps. Photos that don't show where people are standing, whether or not they are slouching etc.... not 100% definitive. But, it sure looks like he is taller than JT3 -- who, I believe, is 6'4. They're standing on equal ground right next to each other.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 20, 2010 13:33:30 GMT -5
That helps. Photos that don't show where people are standing, whether or not they are slouching etc.... not 100% definitive. But, it sure looks like he is taller than JT3 -- who, I believe, is 6'4. They're standing on equal ground right next to each other. So we're talking about the following guards/wings, at the very least, on the 2011-2012 roster: Jason Clark, 6'3" - Sr. Vee Sanford, 6'3" - Jr. Markel Starks, 6'1" - So. Aaron Bowen, 6'4" - So. Jabril Trawick, 6'4" - Fr. That doesn't even count 6'7" Hollis Thompson who plays primarily on the wing (or at least most think he will/should) and 6'6" Jerelle Bennimon (who plays a "big" though some want to talk themselves into thinking he's a wing). That's a lot of guys 6'4" and under for the Big East, IMO. Plus, only 1 is a natural point guard. So really you've got 4 guys 6'4" and under for 2 wing positions, not counting Hollis Thompson. To me, if you're going to add a 6'4" guy to the class of 2011, he needs to be special. I hope Trawick is - however, based on the teams recruiting him, you'd have to think JT III and staff saw something that no other top-flight high majors did. I want Trawick to do well, but based on roster composition and who else was recruiting Trawick, I'm a little baffled at this point.
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Post by deacon on Sept 20, 2010 13:42:01 GMT -5
I look forward to taking a trip or two up to Philly this year to see this kid play simply because it seems as though he was a point guard that a growth spurt and that, combined with his athleticism, has taken his game to another level.
Like I said, if the D.J. Rivera comparisons are legit, and he's a legit 6'4", we got ourselves a player and I wouldn't worry too much about where he seemingly fits because guys like that make coaches put them on the floor.
For the people worried about stars/rankings, ESPN has him as a four-star, Top 150 type that grades out at a 93, which means: Player has the potential to significantly contribute to a national program as a freshman. He could be a four-year contributor with an opportunity to start over the course of his career.
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Post by MJGHoya on Sept 20, 2010 14:21:05 GMT -5
I just spoke to someone very connected to the Philly Hoops scene and who is literally watching HS games, AAU tournaments, summer league games, etc...several nights a week.
I asked him about Jabril and the first words he used were "big-time motor" and "toughness". He went on to say he had a decent HS season, but apparently had a great tournament earlier in the summer against good competition that really elevated his stock with college recruiters. Since then he has continued to play well.
He said Jabril is real strong going to the basket, but is an inconsistent shooter and needs to work on his midrange game. Also said he has grown several inches in the past year.
One final tidit: he said the current feeling in Philly is that we are the leader for Daniel Ochefu.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 20, 2010 15:09:23 GMT -5
a classic case of someone trying to make a post fit the negative stereotypes. Almost everyone I've spoken to says that Jabril is 6-6, 6-5 and a half at the very least. Hollis is 6-8, Aaron Bowen is 6-5.....and every last one of those guys have length, except for Markel, whom I think will be one of the best point guards in the big east, sooner rather than later.
You need perimeter length just as much as you need interior length, and this group you named has it.
Nice try though
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 20, 2010 15:10:31 GMT -5
They're standing on equal ground right next to each other. So we're talking about the following guards/wings, at the very least, on the 2011-2012 roster: Jason Clark, 6'3" - Sr. Vee Sanford, 6'3" - Jr. Markel Starks, 6'1" - So. Aaron Bowen, 6'4" - So. Jabril Trawick, 6'4" - Fr. That doesn't even count 6'7" Hollis Thompson who plays primarily on the wing (or at least most think he will/should) and 6'6" Jerelle Bennimon (who plays a "big" though some want to talk themselves into thinking he's a wing). That's a lot of guys 6'4" and under for the Big East, IMO. Plus, only 1 is a natural point guard. So really you've got 4 guys 6'4" and under for 2 wing positions, not counting Hollis Thompson. To me, if you're going to add a 6'4" guy to the class of 2011, he needs to be special. I hope Trawick is - however, based on the teams recruiting him, you'd have to think JT III and staff saw something that no other top-flight high majors did. I want Trawick to do well, but based on roster composition and who else was recruiting Trawick, I'm a little baffled at this point. Boya, I think we definitely need bigs, but I think there's several caveats to your argument: - You're picking the shortest height of a range for several guys. Does it make a difference if Trawick and Bowen are 6'5" - 6'6"? I'd say yes. Bowen, for example, is almost certainly going to be a 3.
- I'm not sure what the issue is with carrying five guards even so. That's the setup I'd assume is ideal with 13 scholarships (5 guards, 5 bigs, 3 SFs with two or more of the guards with decent size at the 2). Again, with Bowen and possibly Trawick playing the wing, it really isn't that crowded.
- I'm not sure the point guard comment is all that valid. We've run two combos for much of III's tenure, and usually successfully. Jason Clark has been our backup point for two years now, and Vee seems capable in a reserve role, at least.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 20, 2010 16:13:37 GMT -5
Boya, First, the cut in inches has been addressed above. Secondly, JC, Vee and Markel can play the point. This season will show us who will play the most minutes at the point during the 11-12 season. That's a very solid group of guards with potentially an All BE Jason and, if reports are correct, a super soph in Markel (but we'll see this season how quickly Markel adapts to BE play). Finally, I don't think JT3 is looking for another guard in this class, except if a super talent comes along, which at this point does not look that way. IMO, there are other more important needs. But, JT3 plays his cards tight, so who knows...
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Post by GUMBA on Sept 20, 2010 16:40:04 GMT -5
I'll take a legit 6'5" - 6'6" two guard with toughness and a decent handle. Get him on the Jonathan Wallace "Mother waving a broom in your face" 500 three point shots a day muscle memory routine and watch out. Sounds like a nice find by the staff and solid fit for the program. I thought I remembered JTIII saying early on that his ideal line-up was a bunch of tall interchangeable guards 6'4" to 6'6" who could pass and with a decent handle plus a strong wing and solid passing big man. Sounds like he is slowly moving in that direction. Just need the next big man now.
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