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Post by Dhall on Apr 13, 2012 14:23:26 GMT -5
I think the national championship sealed it for him. If they had just made a sweet 16/Elite 8 run and/or we would have gone either Sweet 16 or Elite 8, he would have been a Hoya. Man, that hurts. ... or maybe if Georgetown could make the Sweet 16 any time in the last 5 years.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 13, 2012 15:14:03 GMT -5
I wish the kid nothing.
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 13, 2012 15:24:24 GMT -5
... or maybe if Georgetown could make the Sweet 16 any time in the last 5 years. I've always wondered: why does Hoyatalk seem to have made a Sweet 16 appearance the all-purpose benchmark for anything related to the health of the program? Seems a bit arbitrary.
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 13, 2012 15:29:40 GMT -5
... or maybe if Georgetown could make the Sweet 16 any time in the last 5 years. I've always wondered: why does Hoyatalk seem to have made a Sweet 16 appearance the all-purpose benchmark for anything related to the health of the program? Seems a bit arbitrary. Well there's no such thing as the Terrific Thirty-two soo....
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2012 16:01:00 GMT -5
I think the national championship sealed it for him. If they had just made a sweet 16/Elite 8 run and/or we would have gone either Sweet 16 or Elite 8, he would have been a Hoya. Man, that hurts. ... or maybe if Georgetown could make the Sweet 16 any time in the last 5 years. I don't believe that tournament records being equal, anything would have changed. You believe that in your head as a fan, but explain to me how you sell Georgetown to a one-and-done college recruit who sees the vast difference in fan bases, facilities, and has every guru chirping in their ear pushing them towards Syracuse and Kentucky. The major difference between Kentucky, Syracuse and Georgetown isn't W-L record. We sold Nerlens Noel's mom on something very, very different than those factors - a solid, stable program that offers more privacy and a solid track record of lifetime success. That has to be the determining factor in the recruitment though - otherwise Georgetown is hopelessly outgunned by these other schools and tournament W/L record is in no way the differentiator.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 13, 2012 18:09:11 GMT -5
Winning a national champion does have an effect on recruiting (maybe not this specific recruit), because it increases media coverage and that helps immensely.
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2012 18:21:27 GMT -5
Winning a national champion does have an effect on recruiting (maybe not this specific recruit), because it increases media coverage and that helps immensely. The last two people grumbled that GU hadn't made the Sweet 16. Explain what that would have changed.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 13, 2012 18:52:46 GMT -5
Well, if Noel was being honest about wanting to win a championship which program's recent history suggests the best chance for him to do so: one that has gone to the Final Four three straight seasons and won it all last week or one that hasn't been past the second round in five years?
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Post by Eurostar on Apr 13, 2012 19:36:54 GMT -5
Well, if Noel was being honest about wanting to win a championship which program's recent history suggests the best chance for him to do so: one that has gone to the Final Four three straight seasons and won it all last week or one that hasn't been past the second round in five years? Agreed. He mentioned the championship by Kentucky during the ESPN promo. Who would you rather play for? Being the last cog in a team that will likely be preaseason #1? Or joining a team that isnt even ranked in most peoples top 40 lists for next year?
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2012 22:15:24 GMT -5
Well, if Noel was being honest about wanting to win a championship which program's recent history suggests the best chance for him to do so: one that has gone to the Final Four three straight seasons and won it all last week or one that hasn't been past the second round in five years? The one with the better returning team. He's there for one year, if you really want a championship it shouldn't matter whatsoever what the teams did in preceding years with players that aren't returning. Butler and UCONN were in the National championship in the last few years, I didn't see those teams on his final list. If your argument has any merit whatsoever - and it is all about wins and losses and Georgetown hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in 5 years, why were we his #2 team? Shouldn't Georgetown have been eliminated early on? Why didn't he just go to Michigan State? The truth is that you guys as fans are projecting your own frustration about tournament success into this. The tournament record WAS NOT what stopped him from coming to Georgetown. I doubt Nerlens Noel knows what happened in the tournament 3 years ago, or gives a damn.
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Post by RDF on Apr 14, 2012 0:34:57 GMT -5
There is no "#2" in recruiting. You either win or lose. It's all nice to hear you are under consideration but if the player doesn't want to come to your school, how/why he didn't choose you, and where behind school he signed don't matter.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 14, 2012 10:15:00 GMT -5
I didn't think he was Georgetown material
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 14, 2012 10:40:12 GMT -5
Well, if Noel was being honest about wanting to win a championship which program's recent history suggests the best chance for him to do so: one that has gone to the Final Four three straight seasons and won it all last week or one that hasn't been past the second round in five years? If your argument has any merit whatsoever - and it is all about wins and losses and Georgetown hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in 5 years, why were we his #2 team? Shouldn't Georgetown have been eliminated early on? Why didn't he just go to Michigan State? You asked why would Gtown's recent tourney record have any impact. I gave a possible reason. His picking Gtown as one of his finalists meant the program was great enough for him to look past that, that the coaching staff impressed him and his mom enough to see beyond that. Throw out that stupid argument about Michigan State. Maybe he didn't care for that program and that coach. Maybe they didn't care for him. Could be a thousand reasons why more recent successful teams did not crack NN's final list while Georgetown did. Let's also not forget that Georgetown jumped into his final three after his visit to the campus during Selection Sunday, a full week before the Hoyas would have another early flameout in the tournament. In the end though Kentucky's tourney success may have provided the final edge when he weighed the pros and cons. I can't prove it. Not trying to. My goal was simply to provide you with a reason WHY recent records in the tourney could have played a part in his final choice. Give the lecture to people who are suggesting that corrupt and evil influences, illegal payments, misguided ethics, misinformation, crapy facilities, and vocal, active fan support/activity are the reasons why UK won out for NN. People have been tossing around a dozen or so reasons that they can't prove and yet you have decided to go after those who suggest recent on-court success could have played a big part? Why don't you go after the cynics who say Gtown was never really in the running in the first place because the fix was in? Or maybe you are one of those guys who feels that way.
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 14, 2012 12:06:56 GMT -5
Why should going to the Sweet 16, Elite 8, or Final 4 have any bearing as to where Nerlens or any other top recruit should go? I think the answer is fairly simple. I think these recruits visit the schools that they like, talk to the coaches that they like, and then make a final list of schools that they want to attend. Of course all the final schools have some sort of past success otherwise they wouldn't be on his initial list in the first place. If I had the academic success to apply to a top 25 university, why would I consider schools like UMD, GWU, etc other than a backup. If I were one and done, would I want to go to a school that recruited a top big man like Greg Monroe, who ended up not winning a single tournament game under the current coaching staff, or a school that has constantly had success like Kentucky (even with all their shadiness)? I would want to go to a school that gives me the most exposure during my single year there and one that would get me to a top 5 draft choice AND achieve my goal of winning a national championship. I personally went to Georgetown undergrad over other schools because I had the best chance of getting into medical school with Georgetown than the other schools I was considering, even though I liked those other schools' campuses, location, student body, etc. Georgetown has the reputable research programs that other schools do not have. I didn't try to get my name published in scientific journals for the educational purposes but for the exposure so that medical schools and residency programs can SEE that my merits are publicly recognized. Sure there are plenty of medical students and residents out there that have gotten into medical school without a publication, but I would have a MUCH better chance if I did have a publication. The same applies to basketball. I think we are a top 10-15 basketball program and going to more Sweet 16's and Elite 8's would push us over the top to land recruits like Nerlens. Like one of the previous posters said, more media attention/recognition = better chance of landing top recruits. As far as I know, losing in the first weekend of the tournament has only brought negative attention to Georgetown and is what is keeping top players from coming here.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 14, 2012 12:35:00 GMT -5
^ If you are known, it does not matter where you go to school or the other things that you mentioned. (i.e. Tony Mitchell from N Texas).. If you are a talented player, then you will remain on their radar..
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 14, 2012 12:49:10 GMT -5
He picked Kentucky. Why whine over it anymore? Let's move on. How about some speculation on Kenner?
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Post by jorand on Apr 14, 2012 13:13:36 GMT -5
I didn't think he was Georgetown material In what sense?
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 14, 2012 13:19:51 GMT -5
He picked Kentucky. Why whine over it anymore? Let's move on. How about some speculation on Kenner? Why would we speculate about KL at this stage? We are a long way from even knowing who are on the teams. Besides....the main board is where that discussion would take place.
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Post by gahoya on Apr 14, 2012 23:08:34 GMT -5
I hate to add to this thread, but I think that espn.go.com/blog/high-school/boys-basketball/post/_/id/4620/jbc-stars-reveal-their-no-2-schools is an important link for a lot of people to read on here. The article is supposed to be about what schools came in 2nd for recent high school stars, but the first few paragraphs are somewhat interesting (if not simple and already understood, but needs to be reiterated). “I would go on Twitter sometimes and say something like, 'It’s time to get away from my family and grow up,' and people would panic and say I was headed to UConn,” said Purvis “I know for a fact that most of us do things like that" Just a few of the highlights. Hard to imagine that Noel, and the same can be said for many of the guys we recruit, wasn't doing the same thing. Edit--- Just finished reading the whole thing and there's a few more bits of message board drama: Kyle Anderson claims that SHU was actually his runner-up, and even goes to the length of saying that he almost committed to them. No mention of Georgetown in his little tidbit. (In retrospect, the only purpose for the article to even be written is for message board material, but anyways) If it makes y'all feel better (Which I know it won't), Nerlens had us 2nd, which as you know is as good as last. Says the same crap about his mom wanting him to go here etc. What's also interesting is how in the first half of the article, Rodney Purvis says people make up stuff on twitter in order to gain excitement about their own recruitment even though it's completely fake. When they ask him about his runner-up, he says UConn, the school that was supposed to be the fake. It's hard to tell when they are telling the truth.
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Post by TC on Apr 15, 2012 9:57:18 GMT -5
Give the lecture to people who are suggesting that corrupt and evil influences, illegal payments, misguided ethics, misinformation, crapy facilities, and vocal, active fan support/activity are the reasons why UK won out for NN. That's basically all the reasons I think UK won out for NN.
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