TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 24, 2011 15:22:47 GMT -5
if he wants to come take him....sorry...if we don't land Kyle which for whatever reason is looking more and more pessimistic to me based off of nothing what are we left with? This kid can flat out score. Having one player who isn't as good defensively is less obvious when you don't have a team full of similar lack of defensively minded players. I think III has set us up well to be able to cover for this. A slow footed guard can be part of a very good defense if there are good interior defenders (preferably standing 7'2, which, as we all know, you can't teach). The example, of course, is the '07 & '08 Hoyas, who were great defensively despite JWall not being very good defensively, but that was b/c they had Roy to cover the breakdowns. So, if, say the Hoyas get Noel, who is supposed to be a shot blocker extraordinaire, or Moses comes back and shows that JT2 wasn't over hyping his shot blocking, then it probably isn't a huge deal if DSR isn't the best defender.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Aug 24, 2011 15:25:50 GMT -5
I would not sign a player based on a ranking.. If the staff wants him, I am all for it. You sure we should be turning down 5 stars? He has some holes, but he's a seriously skilled offensive player.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Aug 24, 2011 15:29:18 GMT -5
My opinion of DSR:
--Not effective in a balanced offense--needs to have offense built around him (poor fit for GTown in that manner)
--draws fouls/strong/tough kid
--lousy defensive player
--not a very good player setting up others/doesn't understand how to play PG
--Reminds me too much of the guards who just left--stocky, slow footed, doesn't give a crap about defensive end of the court.
Those who talk up Wallace--remember what III did with him in big games---Rivers would come in for defensive sub and Wallace was often on bench late in games for offense/defense substitutions. Difference being-Wallace was tremendous off the ball as a spot up shooter. DSR wouldn't supplant anyone who is currently on the roster imo--Starks, Trawick, etc....are superior to him and if the Hoyas don't get Anderson, they should target a playmaking/pass first guard who can create for other guys--and doesn't need to have ball in his hands all the time to score.
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tonyparker
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Post by tonyparker on Aug 24, 2011 15:43:16 GMT -5
This is the write-up that was posted on this board from someone who saw him play in the EYBL this summer:
"Saw Smith-Rivera play twice on 2 different days at the EYBL in Dallas last weekend. He plays on the Spiece Team out of Indiana. To say that I was impressed with him would be understating things - a lot! His listing at 6'3", 205 lbs, is legit. He has a big, powerful body that he uses to his advantage. The former Hoya he reminds me most of is Demetrius Hunter. Doesn't have quite the hops that DH had, but then, who does? He showed great shooting ability (and form) both from mid-range and the 3-ball. He also took it to the hole with authority , again using his body, and either making the layup or drawing the foul. Good free throw shooter with great rotation. Also had a couple of nice assists. Played really good defense against one of Team Texas' best players. I think what impressed me the most about him was his demeanor and leadership. Always under control, always talking to his teammates on the floor or in the huddle. At the end of a close game, he just took over, handled the press well, and made his free throws. Would be a great player for our system, can play either point or 2-guard in my view."
Corresponds far better with everything I've heard about the kid, read about the kid from experts, and have seen with my own eyes in the one game I saw him play in person. Think we'd be lucky to get him, and think he could steal plenty of minutes from both Starks and Trawick who I have seen play quite a bit.
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russodj
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Post by russodj on Aug 24, 2011 15:54:26 GMT -5
So leaving Kyle out of it for a minute who would the recruiting gurus rather have between DSR and LJ Rose?
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Aug 24, 2011 16:02:37 GMT -5
His game looks a LOT like Austin Freeman, IMO. Same build (maybe a tiny bit shorter), same deliberate style, same nice looking stroke. Same strengths and same weaknesses. And while Austin had his limits, any team in the nation can use a four year player like that who can score the basketball efficiently and in bulk. And if he turns out to have more point guard skills than Austin, even better.
As others have said, not every player needs to be good at everything. It's okay to have guys who specialize. And looking at our roster right now, I'm not sure we have a reliable shooter and scorer in the backcourt. Neither Markel nor Jabril is known for a knockdown outside shot, and who knows with Bowen. DSR brings that to the table in spades.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 24, 2011 16:11:01 GMT -5
Kid reminds me a lot of Ben Gordon - would be a 3-4 year player and a very effective one. Honestly I'd consider taking him AHEAD of Kyle Anderson just because I think he'd be on campus longer and like guys we already have at Kyle's position.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 24, 2011 16:18:57 GMT -5
His game looks a LOT like Austin Freeman, IMO. Same build (maybe a tiny bit shorter), same deliberate style, same nice looking stroke. Same strengths and same weaknesses. And while Austin had his limits, any team in the nation can use a four year player like that who can score the basketball efficiently and in bulk. And if he turns out to have more point guard skills than Austin, even better. As others have said, not every player needs to be good at everything. It's okay to have guys who specialize. And looking at our roster right now, I'm not sure we have a reliable shooter and scorer in the backcourt. Neither Markel nor Jabril is known for a knockdown outside shot, and who knows with Bowen. DSR brings that to the table in spades. Agree. Suppose Kyle does join the Hoyas...we are still going to need a couple of knock down shooters for Kyle to distribute to. We know we lose Clark and quite possibly Hollis...who would we have left that would consistently stroke the 3...Starks? Bowen? Sign him up!!!
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Post by RDF on Aug 24, 2011 16:22:31 GMT -5
Have to bring this aspect up too much like LJ Rose---a lot of teams listed as a finalist with Smith Rivera have faded or don't want him. Texas took Felix over him. Xavier took Christon and Myles Davis (now they are still recruiting him apparently but they sure didn't wait for him to return to fold), UCLA took Artis and is after Kyle like Georgetown is, and the guy obviously hasn't been kept too much in the loop considering he didn't know when Georgetown's trip concluded which for a primary target--seems kind of odd to me--but could be nothing. Throw in Oak Hill, and I'll be very surprised if Georgetown goes in that direction-but have been surprised before.
To follow up on Tony Parker's comments, I also can give you accounts from people who have seen him play and are very mixed about him-some think he's a dog and others think he's a perfect fit. Depends on how you prefer your Hoya teams--which I lean towards the '05-'08 Era/style of play over the '09-'11 style of play/composition. Others prefer the offensive firepower of a Freeman while ignoring the fact he gave up as much as he scored and if he wasn't scoring--was useless on the court.
Imo--and again as said above what I say doesn't matter one bit--it's what coaches want--I want guys who can impact the game without the ball/scoring and can get up on guys chest and get stops. If a guy is a shooter/role player--fine--but a guy who is ranked/has a pedigree and will likely get mention for Mcdonald's game isn't going to be too excited about being a role player at Georgetown.
My reply to the "what if Kyle chooses another school" is simple--fullcourt press on Rysheed Jordan to commit as '13 class member and fill out class with best players you can land at other spots--unless a situation arises with another guard.
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KirbyKeger
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Post by KirbyKeger on Aug 24, 2011 16:22:36 GMT -5
I would never take him over Kyle. With that said, I think there's room for both.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 24, 2011 16:27:33 GMT -5
So leaving Kyle out of it for a minute who would the recruiting gurus rather have between DSR and LJ Rose? Not a recruiting guru, but I'd take DSR over Rose every day and twice on Sunday.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 24, 2011 16:31:39 GMT -5
My reply to the "what if Kyle chooses another school" is simple--fullcourt press on Rysheed Jordan to commit as '13 class member and fill out class with best players you can land at other spots--unless a situation arises with another guard. RDF, you obviously know a lot more than I, but proposing we shift our focus to 2013 targets might be a mistake. With the addition of one or two top 40 type 2012 commits....we could have a solid team as soon as next year. Would hate to have to 2013 to be relevant again. fwiw, i too would be extremely happy with Kyle and DSR next year....they could compliment eachother well.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Aug 24, 2011 16:42:29 GMT -5
My reply to the "what if Kyle chooses another school" is simple--fullcourt press on Rysheed Jordan to commit as '13 class member and fill out class with best players you can land at other spots--unless a situation arises with another guard. RDF, you obviously know a lot more than I, but proposing we shift our focus to 2013 targets might be a mistake. With the addition of one or two top 40 type 2012 commits....we could have a solid team as soon as next year. Would hate to have to 2013 to be relevant again. fwiw, i too would be extremely happy with Kyle and DSR next year....they could compliment eachother well. Not what I was saying-my point is--if you cant land an elite guard, you fill out class with best players no matter the position and focus on guard goes to '13. I'd rather have a class of Bolden, Pollard, and TJ Warren (not saying this is even likely) then Bolden, DSR, and Crumsnatcher Davis. (hear he's got a good hook shot) I highly DOUBT that will happen so those who are hellbent on getting a PG this class or a combo will likely get your wish. Just want a guy who can defend and create for teammates instead of needing ball in his hands to be productive. Some guys are born scorers and doesn't matter how--I see DSR as a player who has to have ball to score--not as good off the ball and just uninterested in anything defensively. His strength would be negated in Hoyas offense because he can't pound the ball/bully a defender-he'd have to pass/cut/move off teammates, and for that reason alone-prefer guys who are versatile and good off the ball over guys who pound it into the ground.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 24, 2011 16:46:21 GMT -5
Here we have a debate about whether or not to take a top 20 player... Remember last year after Ty et al.? Everything is on hold til Sept. 20th. TTS!
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Post by tonyparker on Aug 24, 2011 16:50:17 GMT -5
As I understand it, Smith-Rivera shared a backcourt in Indiana with two highly rated guards, Patrick Ingram (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Patrick-Ingram-113784) and Ronnie Johnson (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Ronnie-Johnson-112561) and works best playing off the ball.
I'm not saying he is going to change the program or should be taken over Kyle Anderson, but I'm not sure he needs to ball in his hands so much to do damage, and I think this "ball dominater" image is unfair. Have heard (and from what I've seen) he plays better off the ball, and can get buckets in any offense.
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Post by RDF on Aug 24, 2011 16:54:30 GMT -5
Here's a highlight package from EYBL and PR--I question whether he's truly a top 20 prospect. Oak Hill politics will help him but I'd have taken Semaj Christon in a heartbeat over DSR and Christon was "unranked" and ranked lower now. This highlight package is with him in best shape of his career, recovered from knee injury and I just don't see burst/explosion or type of athleticsm that Georgetown should target in small guards. If you take a taller player-they can be slower of foot and make up for that with length. Guards who are 6'1 (he's much closer to 6'1 then 6'4) i'd prefer the Hoyas go in different direction. To be fair, I'll find LJ Rose film and post that up to contract/compare.
Rose is wearing #00 in these clips and to the right-you can click on another link to see him/Houston Hoops facing off against Jamel Artis and Baltimore Elite (sleeper Hoya recruit? Kind of a Kyle Anderson play-a-like as a 6'6 PG)
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Post by kghoya on Aug 24, 2011 17:23:38 GMT -5
I saw a bunch of DSR at Peach Jam and, at least in that tourament, he was much more effective with the ball. He tended to drift in an out of the game when he wasn't running the show. I happen to think he's a good player. I thought his team was rather over rated but he did a good job offensively and defensively at times. Other things: Of course he could play with Anderson. It would actually be hard to find a player that COULDN'T play with Kyle. He's much closer to 6'1 than 6'4. In fact I'd say that he is 6'1. He already has a college body type in that he's filled out and looks strong. Xavier coach Mack was at all of his games. I think he's a better player than Robinson but sometimes that's hard to tell because Team Takeover was better than Indy Spiece. For me, he has more of an all-around game than Rose. Rose looks to pass, pass, pass. And then pass. DSR can get to the hoop and make shots from deep. Guys didn't seem to be able to stop DSR at the end of games when they knew exactly what he was going to do. nationalhoopsreport.net/2011/07/13/meet-the-closer/#more-1466
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 24, 2011 17:42:54 GMT -5
From all the clips...I see why he's compared to AF. While AF may have had more spring in his legs...DSR appears to have better ball handling skills...a skill set this team can't have enough of.
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Post by idhoya on Aug 24, 2011 21:55:49 GMT -5
he's a true combo
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Aug 25, 2011 8:42:13 GMT -5
do not want
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