Bishop Daniels '11

[hoyarooter]

Jul 6, 2010 13:50:28 GMT -5 @mfrekko said:

At this point, comparing the potential schollie to Daniels to the schollies given to Omar/Nikita is kind of like throwing in the towel already.

I'd like to think at this point we still are optimistically recruiting from among the Top 150 class of 2011 players and not dredging the bottom of the recruiting barrel.

How does Daniels compare to the other guards we are involved with in the class of 2011? That is my main concern. Concluding that a schollie to Daniels would be a step up for the program writes off the other Class of 2011 recruits that may represent a bigger step up for the program.

I think RDF addressed this above. Chassan (Chasson?) Randle would be a great fit, and we are interested in him and in his final 6, but a couple teams in the Midwest appear to have the inside track.

[HometownHoya]

When I think of Bishop Daniels I think of a more recent Hoya. Maybe one Patrick Ewing Jr? An athletic player that can jump out of the gym. Willing to work on weaknesses in their game but fortunately they are already very strong. Seems like he has a high motor but not sure about that.

[idhoya]

Demetrius Hunter

[kghoya]

Jul 6, 2010 21:52:24 GMT -5 idhoya said:

Demetrius Hunter

is he going to hurt his foot, never really recover, and then move back to vegas on us?

[EtomicB]

Jul 6, 2010 10:50:23 GMT -5 @mfrekko said:

I'm kind of with you, RBHoya. All I've seen is his dunk reel. Athleticism is a terrific asset, but low turnover/steady/heady play, ability to hit an open jump shot, good passing skills, and tenacious defense arguably are much more important assets than vertical leap in a JTIII system.

I'm not saying Daniels doesn't possess those skills, I'm just saying I can't assess whether he has those skills from looking at his impressive dunk reel. He remains remarkably low in his class rankings given his physical gifts, which makes me think the better informed scouts believe he needs to develop parts of his game that don't involve driving and dunking.

With Ty gone, though, we may not be a in a position to be too choosy. My suspcision is that the interest in Daniels is going to increase dramatically over the next 6 months as other guards in the class sign and remaining options dwindle, so if the Hoyas want this guy the time is now to make a big push. Otherwise, we'll find ourselves in a battle with 5 other high quality programs and may lose out.

RD, if you read back through the thread you’ll see he has moved up a lot over the past 6-7 weeks on the rivals top 150 list. He started at 133 and is now at 112. On the 1st page of this thread Hoyaboya posted an evaluation of Daniels from Dave Telep who saw him play at the Pangos tourney that was very favorable and also on the 2nd page of the thread Eric Bossi from Rivals commented nicely about his play at the NBPA camp a few weeks ago.

The clips posted in this thread shows off many dunks that look like they belong in a dunk contest however there are many that come during game action which are really good basketball plays.

More than looking at him as a kid who can dunk or a kid who is just athletic I see a guard who can finish a play at the rim not only breakaways but also in traffic or with defenders coming at him and I didn’t see that in any of Ty’s clips or Randles clips either. (Right now Austin is the only returning player that I would consider a finisher of plays)

I’m not saying Daniels is better than those guys now but my eyes do tell me he has a better upside in the long run if he works at it.

[rustyshackleford]

I'll chime in on the 'its worth the risk to take him side'. First a guy with great athletic ability almost always inherently has a better ceiling than other players. Its the analogue of trying to get a raw five tool guy in baseball and have him develop the rest of his game in the minors. With all due respect to Rivers and whoever else was mentioned, we have not had a single really high flying athlete that comes to mind since Jr. Some of the recent reports out of a bunch of camps (skills camps, etc) have also indicated Daniels is flashing other parts of his game. As somebody else mentioned he's a top 150 recruit at least according to Rivals and ESPN.

Additionally, I am tired of seeing our players working off a beautiful cut or beating their man, getting a point blank shot and then laying it up. I understand that the princeton variant we run is more cerebral but I don't see any reason why our players can't be throwing it down with authority when they actually get those opportunities. The intelligence of our players seems to be coming at the expense of aggressiveness in some senses (rebounding problems). Even if Daniels initially only comes in to play solid defense and throw down a couple times a game I"ll be ok with that as that's the type of role player we'll be missing. Great teams need the player who will block a shot at the end game buzzer and then tell the opposing crowd to quiet down. Meanwhile, I'm sure the staff will be trying to develop him into Russell Westbrook pt. 2.


The one exception I will make to taking Daniels over a potentially better system recruit is Faust, who did very well at NBPA and at this point might be a different caliber recruit along with being local.

[TBird41]

Jul 7, 2010 16:29:27 GMT -5 rustyshackleford said:

Even if Daniels initially only comes in to play solid defense and throw down a couple times a game I"ll be ok with that as that's the type of role player we'll be missing. Great teams need the player who will block a shot at the end game buzzer and then tell the opposing crowd to quiet down.

Said player must also be athletic enough to dodge flying coins when the West Virginia fans start throwing their life savings at him...

;D

[hoyaboya]

From ESPN article at AAU Nationals in Orlando:

"Athlete of the day
Bishop Daniels (Raleigh, N.C./Word of God)
2011 SG, 6-2 | AAU team: CP3 All-Stars
Daniels brought the crowd to their feet and made a name for himself on Thursday afternoon when he came down the lane on the break, caught a lob in transition, and outlasted the defender by hanging in mid-air with the ball extended out to the side for a “Statue of Liberty" dunk. Daniels also slashed along the baseline, made a mid-range pull-up, and made a series of athletic scoring plays around the rim."

[harwoodhoya]

Saw him play recently. Do we gotta a real shot to get him?

[idhoya]

Prolly, but not sure how hard GU is still after him.

[newporthoya]

I know we dont need a combo guard but i want Bishop on the Hilltop. He is the kind of athlete that we havent had since Ewing Jr graduated. We havent had someone like Bishop at the guard position since Chuck left after his sophomore year. It is really nice to have a pg/sg that can breakdown his opponent and then flush on a big................

[idhoya]

He is smallish. I'd prefer a 6'4-6'5 cat or a big SF/PF/C

[hoyaboya]

Aug 4, 2010 14:41:49 GMT -5 idhoya said:

He is smallish. I'd prefer a 6'4-6'5 cat or a big SF/PF/C

Agree with idhoya...let's take a big wing like Thompson (my preferred choice), Hood or Dawson and focus the rest of the schollies on bigs. Assuming Bowen is as good as he's looked in Kenner, I don't see a huge near-term need at the 1/2 slots.

[hoyaboya]

Aug 4, 2010 21:54:14 GMT -5 @mfrekko said:

Thompson and Dawson are gone to other schools. Our only chance on this list is Hood, and it will take a come from behind victory to nab him.

Fair enough...I still don't know that we need a short combo guard like Daniels in this class. With Sanford, Starks and Bowen within two classes of each other, seems like we've got plenty in the 6'4" and under crowd - plus Clark still has one more season after this one. Only way I'd take a shorter combo or 2-guard is if he was a deadeye sharpshooter, somebody to play a designated sniper role.

[hoyas big supporter]

At this point we need to plan for 5 years down the road, take this kid and develop him III. A NCAA championship in 2015 would be nice..

[alleninxis]

www.cuttingdownnets.com/2010/08/11/bishop-daniels-interview/

[blueandgray]

From the sound of the article....looks like Daniels would be happy to be a Hoya. I think we'd be happy to have a kid with his type of explosiveness.

Sounds like he probably had a chance to hang with CW at the CP camp.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I get the sense we'd be in pretty good position for his services if we were to offer.

[strummer8526]

Let's offer then. For the love of God, let's just get someone!

[RDF]

No--you don't "just get someone"--you have to be smart about it-but offers should be handed out--most schools offer--and there is a pecking order you tell kids--and if you are open/honest (not saying Hoyas aren't) you let them know. Now it's a different level of doing this--UNC, Duke, Kentucky, etc... can do this and get away with it--knowing kids will kiss their ass and do anything--or take anything in certain cases (Calipari) to go there.