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Post by RDF on May 27, 2010 10:01:05 GMT -5
You know--I decided to still get up in the morning despite the face Dave Cox left Georgetown. Don't know how that is possible--but I did it.
Said it on other site and will say it here--never has been so much said about a person who has done so little.
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Post by idhoya on May 27, 2010 10:51:35 GMT -5
I think Ty is still heavily in the mix, but as you said, precautions are being taken. Also, I think someone leaves the program within the next year. No inside info, just saying.
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Post by calhoya on May 27, 2010 11:19:03 GMT -5
You know--I decided to still get up in the morning despite the face Dave Cox left Georgetown. Don't know how that is possible--but I did it. Said it on other site and will say it here--never has been so much said about a person who has done so little. I keep hearing that Cox added little to the Program. I am not questioning that assessment here or on the other site that has been exploding with joy over his departure. However, if all the criticism is warranted, then isn't his presence at the hilltop an indictment of JT III's judgment in hiring an assistant, particularly when combined with problems of the other former assistant whose head coaching job ended in controversy.
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Post by guru on May 27, 2010 11:24:10 GMT -5
You know--I decided to still get up in the morning despite the face Dave Cox left Georgetown. Don't know how that is possible--but I did it. Said it on other site and will say it here--never has been so much said about a person who has done so little. I keep hearing that Cox added little to the Program. I am not questioning that assessment here or on the other site that has been exploding with joy over his departure. However, if all the criticism is warranted, then isn't his presence at the hilltop an indictment of JT III's judgment in hiring an assistant, particularly when combined with problems of the other former assistant whose head coaching job ended in controversy. I'd say so - and add that the developments on our coaching staff over the past 2 off-seasons have been very, very curious.
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Post by RBHoya on May 27, 2010 13:39:00 GMT -5
Cox was hired for a specific reason-- to develop a pipeline of players from DCA. Due to circumstances that had nothing to do with Cox himself, he wasn't really able to capitalize on that pipeline, and what we were left with was a rookie assistant coach who was trying to work his way up but who did not have any real track record of success and did not have any kind of inside track to land anyone.
I don't think it's really fair to say it was a bad hire by JTIII. If he could have kept the pipeline with DCA, everybody would be talking about what a good hire Cox was. At the time, it seemed to just about everybody to be a really good hire, it just didn't pan out that way.
But unless/until we get some new assistant who is a great recruiter in here, I'm still not really celebrating Cox's departure. Was he a world class assistant? I don't think so, and could we end up better off by having somebody else on staff instead of him? Sure. But that would require us to make a good to great hire for the open assistant spot. And for the immediate future, it's a loss... If my choices for recruiting the Johnsons, Christmases etc. of the world are Cox or nobody, I'd roll the dice with Cox. If we just hire some other no-name assistant with no experience, then we've substituted a mediocre assistant who doesn't know these recruits (new guy) for a mediocre assistant who at least had established some relationship with them (Cox). In the long-term it could be a good thing, but for now, unless we make a real good hire pretty soon, it's a hindrance for 2011.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 27, 2010 14:14:12 GMT -5
I keep hearing that Cox added little to the Program. I am not questioning that assessment here or on the other site that has been exploding with joy over his departure. However, if all the criticism is warranted, then isn't his presence at the hilltop an indictment of JT III's judgment in hiring an assistant, particularly when combined with problems of the other former assistant whose head coaching job ended in controversy. I'd say so - and add that the developments on our coaching staff over the past 2 off-seasons have been very, very curious. In what world is hiring so black and white? We're all looking on the outside in sports, but people are so definitive about good hires/bad hires/people skills. I do it as well. Of course, at my workplace, it is not so clear. People have strengths and weaknesses, most of which are nowhere near close to apparent at hiring. You can always get someone better, but it is worth the risk to get someone worse? To force someone out and then rehire? That's a lot of resources in a flawed process. Cox was hired, and I'm sure he had a lot to recommend him. He's got the DC and the Assault connections. Kids really seem to like him. He coached for a year or two under Jamie Dixon, who gets great results. I'm sure there were a lot of others things. He probably got along well with III and had a similar viewpoint/vision. I'm sure he interviewed well and I sure he's a decent coach. And who knows how good he was at GU? What we do know is that he didn't exactly over-deliver as a recruiter despite being on a lot of names this year. We know he doesn't have a huge history or rep as a coach. Maybe's he brilliant, but odds are he's still learning relative to a Mike Brennan or a Kenya Hunter. And we know he's been looking for the next job pretty quickly. He was rumored with Memphis, for example. So, yeah, I'm sure III would have rather he'd stayed. But I don't get the disaster scenarios. Who on the team was a Cox recruit and attributed his coming to the assistant work? Most of the feedback on assistants prior to this year was that they didn't get out there enough -- and most of the guys who have come have cited JTIII specifically if they mention a coach (Lubick, Hollis, Abraham).
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Post by tonyparker on Aug 16, 2010 14:00:27 GMT -5
There have been some notable setbacks in putting together this class, but there are still some really good players out there considering Georgetown in 2011. Here is a list of players that I have seen list the Hoyas over the last couple of weeks.
1: Quinn Cook, Kyan Anderson 2: Ky Madden, Bishop Daniels, Myles Davis, Jabril Trawick, Jarrelle Reishel 3: Rodney Hood, Sam Thompson, Amir Garrett, Mychal Ammons 4: Angelo Chol, Mikael Hopkins, Darion Atkins, Eric Katenda 5: Michael Chandler, Deng Leek, T. Jordan Omegbehin, Derrell Robertson, Blaise Mbargorba
I see the top tier of propects being: Quinn Cook, Ky Madden, Rodney Hood, Sam Thompson, Angelo Chol, Mikael Hopkins, Michael Chandler. Any combination of these prospects would be fantastic. My guess is it is a long-shot we will get any of them at this point, but I am trying to stay positive.
My current prediction for our 2011 class is as follows:
Quinn Cook, Rodney Hood, Angelo Chol, T. Jordan Omegbehin
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Post by IDenj on Aug 16, 2010 17:17:06 GMT -5
There have been some notable setbacks in putting together this class, but there are still some really good players out there considering Georgetown in 2011. Here is a list of players that I have seen list the Hoyas over the last couple of weeks. 1: Quinn Cook, Kyan Anderson 2: Ky Madden, Bishop Daniels, Myles Davis, Jabril Trawick, Jarrelle Reishel 3: Rodney Hood, Sam Thompson, Amir Garrett, Mychal Ammons 4: Angelo Chol, Mikael Hopkins, Darion Atkins, Eric Katenda 5: Michael Chandler, Deng Leek, T. Jordan Omegbehin, Derrell Robertson, Blaise Mbargorba I see the top tier of propects being: Quinn Cook, Ky Madden, Rodney Hood, Sam Thompson, Angelo Chol, Mikael Hopkins, Michael Chandler. Any combination of these prospects would be fantastic. My guess is it is a long-shot we will get any of them at this point, but I am trying to stay positive. My current prediction for our 2011 class is as follows: Quinn Cook, Rodney Hood, Angelo Chol, T. Jordan Omegbehin that would be a great class. any tips on this or are you going on gut feelings?
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Post by mfrekko on Aug 16, 2010 18:39:37 GMT -5
This is a pie in the sky prediction, I'm afraid, but it is okay to dream big.
I think we'd be very lucky to land one Cook, Hood, or Chol. TJO and Katenda come if we offer, I suspect.
I thought Kyan Anderson was 2012.
Also, isn't Thompson off the board after he narrowed his list to 3?
Ky Madden may be the biggest impact player left on our list. We'd be so psyched to get him.
I think our class is one Top-75 player, Katenda, TJO, and Rahndim.
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Post by idhoya on Aug 16, 2010 19:35:43 GMT -5
kyle anderson is 2012
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Post by alleninxis on Aug 16, 2010 19:42:18 GMT -5
staff has not been in contact with Kyan Anderson as of late.
good player, good kid..but not much need for a 5'11 PG.
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Post by homeonthehilltop on Aug 23, 2010 7:13:27 GMT -5
What would people think of a class of: Daniels, Katenda, Robertson and Jordan?
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Post by daymondmyles on Aug 23, 2010 9:29:48 GMT -5
A class of Daniels, Katenda, Robertson and Jordan would be a complete failure and I don't think it will happen. I would hope JT3 would hold at least 1 schollie for 2012 if it came down to those 4. None of those guys would be ready to contribute for any significant stretch their first year.
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Post by tonyparker on Aug 23, 2010 10:15:13 GMT -5
Don't think Bishop Daniels is going to happen because we are, apparently, no longer on his list. Guess we decided not to offer. I don't really get it, but what do I know. scouthoops.scout.com/2/994996.html
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Post by harwoodhoya on Aug 23, 2010 12:29:48 GMT -5
I think Donte Thomas of Ballou, Mikael Hopkins ,Rodney Hood, and a player to be added letter would be a good class.
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Post by mfrekko on Aug 23, 2010 14:04:48 GMT -5
Hardwood, that would be a GREAT class given how everyone is feeling right now!
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