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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 17, 2010 15:53:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know why people are so fixated on Henry. He did not do that much for us last year. Benimon showed more.
We have a great backcourt coming back, and I think the frontcourt will be on everyone's minds in the off-season and beginning of the season. We know Vaughn will be starting, and my guess is that Hollis will find his way into the starting lineup as well. After that - Benimon, Sims, Lubick, Abraham. A lot of opportunities there, for starters and non-starters. We will have depth now (barring transfers, knock on wood), in the frontcourt and backcourt, as well as experience (Freeman, Wright, Vaughn as seniors). I think we still have a very good chance to do some serious damage.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 17, 2010 17:16:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know why people are so fixated on Henry. He did not do that much for us last year. Benimon showed more. We have a great backcourt coming back, and I think the frontcourt will be on everyone's minds in the off-season and beginning of the season. We know Vaughn will be starting, and my guess is that Hollis will find his way into the starting lineup as well. After that - Benimon, Sims, Lubick, Abraham. A lot of opportunities there, for starters and non-starters. We will have depth now (barring transfers, knock on wood), in the frontcourt and backcourt, as well as experience (Freeman, Wright, Vaughn as seniors). I think we still have a very good chance to do some serious damage. If Hollis is starting at / spending a lot of time at power forward, we're going to get worked. A lot.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 17, 2010 18:27:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know why people are so fixated on Henry. He did not do that much for us last year. Benimon showed more. We have a great backcourt coming back, and I think the frontcourt will be on everyone's minds in the off-season and beginning of the season. We know Vaughn will be starting, and my guess is that Hollis will find his way into the starting lineup as well. After that - Benimon, Sims, Lubick, Abraham. A lot of opportunities there, for starters and non-starters. We will have depth now (barring transfers, knock on wood), in the frontcourt and backcourt, as well as experience (Freeman, Wright, Vaughn as seniors). I think we still have a very good chance to do some serious damage. If Hollis is starting at / spending a lot of time at power forward, we're going to get worked. A lot. 100% agreed. Hollis is not a 4. I repeat, Hollis is not a 4. He is even less of a 4 than DaJuan ever was. Hollis is a wing. He should be at the 3. I don't want to talk about how positions are interchangeable in the offense we run. We need big men to rebound and play defense.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 17, 2010 19:33:08 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, but Thompson still seems like the most likely candidate to me. Sure, he's not made for the position, but neither were Bowman or Summers.
Who else would you put there? Benimon? Lubick? Sims?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 17, 2010 19:43:19 GMT -5
uhhh, no CA
Hollis either beats Jason out at the three or he comes off the bench. It's that simple. Let me repeat braski. Hollis is not a 4. Not even close. No way. Not in a starting role. Not in a pinch. He's a 3. A wing. A small forward.
We have enough options at the four where we shouldn't need to convert someone there.
My hope/prediction is that Nate becomes a four year starter. He's good enough to play right now
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 17, 2010 20:47:29 GMT -5
I was wondering something about Henry earlier. What skills does everyone think he needs to work on this offseason? Obviously he needs to lift weights and put muscle on but it seems like most of his issues came from sloppiness. We saw flashes of a lot of aspects of his game but nothing (to my immediate knowledge) that it his go-to or that he could work on.
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Post by the_way on Apr 17, 2010 21:10:11 GMT -5
I was wondering something about Henry earlier. What skills does everyone think he needs to work on this offseason? Obviously he needs to lift weights and put muscle on but it seems like most of his issues came from sloppiness. We saw flashes of a lot of aspects of his game but nothing (to my immediate knowledge) that it his go-to or that he could work on. Henry needs to work on everything. He is just extremely raw to the point JTIII could not find minutes for him in critical games. Benimon doesn't do much, but what he *can* do well is at least bang down low and could help spell some minutes for Vaughn and Greg. Henry, i'm afraid,could not even do that. And i'm quite sure that affects his confidence on the court. I think the best thing for Henry, if possible, is to redshirt next year. He really could use a redshirt to develop some type of skillset without the pressure of having to contribute in games. And then from there, hopefully he could gain some confidence going into the following two years of his career and be a contributor.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 17, 2010 22:01:28 GMT -5
I don't think Hank will redshirt this year, he wouldn't last year, so why would he this year? Much more likely to move on to an offensive system that he is better suited to play in.
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Post by richfame on Apr 17, 2010 22:14:32 GMT -5
Well Losing Monroe is a HUGE hit to this program. With greg I think we had the potential to be a final four team. Greg brought so much to this team as the focal point of the o ffense the early part of the schedule might even be a struggle...
Now On to Henry, obviously we want him to succeed and take on a role that will help lead the hoyas next year.. The way is correct he needs to work on everything. Honestly I dont think everything can be fixed in one off season.
Thru is first 2 years hes been a flat out BUST. He averages 1.4 points a game which is worse that his frosh season. He scored 8 points in big east play, if it wasnt for a big game against american he mightbe averaging about.06 points a game...
Please guys stop the insanity Lets see what Lubick can do and forget about henry until we actually see him do something on the court. He just doesnt have big east game, period.
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Post by Filo on Apr 17, 2010 23:09:48 GMT -5
Here is my conjecture based on nothing and assuming no other roster changes: starters will be Freeman, Wright, Clark or Thompson, Vaughn, and Sims. I don't think Lubick will start and I don't expect Abraham to contribute much as a freshman.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 17, 2010 23:26:24 GMT -5
The Vanilla Guerilla (his idea, not mine) Not sure if anybody else had it before him, but the last guy I heard referred to as this was: Also, LOL at the Justice League not being original because it's Rick Ross's group. Just like pretty much everything else in hip hop these days, that's of course ripped off from something that was cool decades ago. As far as Sims, I'm holding out hope. Not that he'll be all conference but that he'll earn more significant minutes. I'm not sure if people forget or didn't notice at the time or what, but almost all of his mistakes last year were mental.... Not realizing that he should pass on the long jumper and work for a better shot. Not realizing that he shouldn't try to force the entry pass. Not knowing where to be on defense. I remember with Macklin, he was frustrating because he just seemed to be lacking so many skills (catching, shooting, handling, etc)... With Henry I think the skills are there, it's just the basketball sense that is lacking. And it seemed like every time III put him out there he'd quickly make a bad pass or get lost on D, and III had to sit him quick. Ultimately he started going with JB instead, who, while he had no offensive game, at least had the bball IQ to not force anything and not make any major mistakes. But I still think Sims can be a contributor, though my hopes/expectations are definitely in check. And speaking of Benimon, if he can hit a wide open outside J (he was given tons of them last year and only 2 or 3 times did he pull the trigger), no reason he can't see more minutes this year too. He'll never be a star but he's competent except for the fact that he can't put the ball in the hole at all. Supposedly he's a gym rat, right? So hopefully he's taking lots of jumpers all summer and comes into next year hungry for more run. As far as Hollis at the 4, IMO people need to brace themselves. I KNOW he's clearly a wing, so I don't need people to tell me that a hundred times (if we're not already past that point). But it's going to happen, at least in small doses. III did it last year very sparingly, and next year when our front court is basically "Julian Vaughn and some other dudes", he'll go to it again a little more. YES it is FAR from ideal. But when the rubber hits the road, you need your 5 best players out there, and right now that's pretty clearly CW/JC/AF/HT/JV. Hopefully we will see major improvement from Henry and/or JB and Nate adjusts well, so it's a rare occurrence. But I'm fairly sure that in crunch time III would go with a small lineup that can play rather than a big lineup that can't. And people can bemoan that all they want, but just about every other competent coach in the country would do the same. It's not playing small by choice, it's playing small because small is the only viable option.
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Post by richfame on Apr 17, 2010 23:30:04 GMT -5
Filo- How can Sims start? deleted. So hes going to go from a guy that cant get off the bench for 2 years to a starter? Wow. How about he progresses to a player that can come into the game and contribute something. Maybe go from a cheerleader to a solid sixth man? Then maybe by senior year if he gets better than that, starter.. Reality check...
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 17, 2010 23:42:28 GMT -5
Filo- How can Sims start? You are insane. So hes going to go from a guy that cant get off the bench for 2 years to a starter? Wow. How about he progresses to a player that can come into the game and contribute something. Maybe go from a cheerleader to a solid sixth man? Then maybe by senior year if he gets better than that, starter.. Reality check... I hate agenda-driven posts like this. Yes, Sims has not shown much, but he certainly hasn't shown any less than Nate or Moses who have never stepped onto a college court, and while Benimon has shown that he is ok as a stop-gap type player, Henry clearly has the higher ceiling if he puts it together. And one of these guys is going to start, or at least get starter minutes. I'm not saying it'll necessarily be Sims, but he's got as good a shot as anybody. Vaughn's first 2 years were only mildly more impressive than Henry's first 2 years, and JV did a solid job in a starter role last year. As I mentioned in my previous post, Henry's issues have largely been a product of poor decision making, and III has been limited in how much he could play Henry just because the likelihood of make a dumb play was so high. If he gets a better handle on when to try to force a pass, shot selection, defensive rotation etc. he'll be fine. He's a bit raw but he's got some ability for sure, he just needs to quit making mental mistakes to get more court time.
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 17, 2010 23:50:32 GMT -5
Right - really all we should hope out of Henry is to put in a solid 10 - 15 minutes and contribute some defense and rebounding and a few slams off of outback or drive and dishes. And not make critical mistakes out there. He can get there if he works his tail off and coach makes a commitment to working him in there in the early part of the season. Obviously he can't replace Greg but with Nate and Moses in there along with Julian we should be able to compete well, with our guards and Hollis providing most of the scoring. I suspect Nate will develop into a decent scoring/facilitator option mid-way through he season and maybe Moses becomes a solid rebounder/defender by the end of the season as well. Hopefully Hollis will progress to the point where he can create his own shot/drive to the basket more consistently which will give us a more balanced attack. That is why I like him in there over Clark who is really just a spot up three pointer but that's really all we need from him, with the occasional drive/cut to keep defenders honest.
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Post by Filo on Apr 18, 2010 8:24:38 GMT -5
Filo- How can Sims start? deleted. So hes going to go from a guy that cant get off the bench for 2 years to a starter? Wow. How about he progresses to a player that can come into the game and contribute something. Maybe go from a cheerleader to a solid sixth man? Then maybe by senior year if he gets better than that, starter.. Reality check... RB pretty much responded as I would have responded. And more tactfully than you deserved, because you can be a real tool when talking about these kids. I know that based on past performance, projecting him as a starter is a reach, but I am betting that he going to be able to make the leap. We need height, and as RDF pointed out, we don't need a POY candidate down low. He's been in the system for 2 years now - the incoming freshman are going to have their usual adjustments so I doubt any of them start. Could be Benimon or Hollis, but I just think Henry is going to turn the corner.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 18, 2010 8:37:09 GMT -5
I think Henry will start this year and III will use the OOC games to allow him the time to get more comfortable on the court, even at the expense of costing us a game or two. Is this wishful thinking? Hope not.
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Post by richfame on Apr 18, 2010 9:01:10 GMT -5
Filo- Im not a being a tool, Ive read in this thread that : 1."Henry should start"- Which is an ignorant statement to make today. Now if he puts it together and shows he worthy of starting then fine, great. But from where we sit now, its riduclus to suggest that.
2. I read "Yes, Sims has not shown much, but he certainly hasn't shown any less than Nate or Moses who have never stepped onto a college court" What kinda statement is that. Sims hasnt shown less than them cause they are not even in college yet! If Sims doesnt improve this off season Nate will be playing over him by BE play.
I dont want to come here and bash the guy but when I hear SIMS=STARTER. Its totally laughable.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 18, 2010 9:09:25 GMT -5
I think Henry will start this year and III will use the OOC games to allow him the time to get more comfortable on the court, even at the expense of costing us a game or two. Is this wishful thinking? Hope not. I hope so too. In the past JTIII has referred to the OOC as preseason to get us ready for the big east. He schedules like that, but he doesn't rotate like that's true. I'd certainly be fine with being louisville ( not last year) but the 2 years before that where they lost some headscrathers OOC but were prepared for BE play. I still believe in Henry. As JTIII says each year they take a look at the pieces they have and try and figure out a new way to skin the cat with those pieces. I'd love to see some traditional high low in the post with Julian on the block and Henry at the FT line. As RB said the #1 thing henry needs to work on is decision making. 2nd he needs to live in the weight room, especially working on his legs. Finally he needs to develop and low post move he can be confident going to. If henry get's his confidence up he could surprise people. I know it was jsut kenner, but he had some pretty impressive performances and I was expecting more out of him this season. As a guard oriented team I hope we fast break even more this year and institute a press. I think it would help henry to get some easy fast break buckets.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Apr 18, 2010 9:17:34 GMT -5
I don't think Hank will redshirt this year, he wouldn't last year, so why would he this year? Much more likely to move on to an offensive system that he is better suited to play in. My thoughts exactly. If the system stays, henry is simply wasting his time and talents. III needs to throw the kid a bone and alter the O to match his talents or let the kid move on and have a chance to have a respectable college playing career. He remains lost in the current system
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Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2010 9:21:57 GMT -5
HS loves it at GU and JT3 is not changing an offense to fit HS, but, for the sake of argument, when do you two think he's moving on?
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