SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2010 10:09:43 GMT -5
Greg was and is a very good player. The team would have been much worse without him. And I really enjoyed watching him play. But his two years here were not successes from a team standpoint, and I'd imagine he'd agree. (Though last year was much more successful than the Ohio game makes it feel.) That's not saying Greg is or was a failure -- simply that I doubt he's walking away thinking the team accomplished its goals.
Good luck to Greg and I hope he succeeds in the NBA.
(On the other point, Greg doesn't owe anything to GU, and neither do I. But appreciate the things it and people there have done for me, and maybe he will, too.)
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 19, 2010 10:10:39 GMT -5
ok ok best of luck to greg he did what he hadda do BUT to those out there unless i watched different games all year WE WILL NEED A BIG ADJUSTMENT LIKE HUGE the offense ran THRU him and when he wasnt in it FREQUENTLY STALLED so whatever his plusses and minuses ITL BE ALOT DIFFENENT im sure coach will adjust but wont be easyAND THE BOYS NEED TO GET TO THE WEIGHT ROOM TO GET STRONGER as does greg for the big show GO HOYAS ADJUST AND MOVE MOVE MOVE ADN MOVE ON TO THE WEIGHT ROOM AND BEYOND
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 19, 2010 10:31:07 GMT -5
Maybe Greg will pony up for a nice practice facility like Carmelo did up at Syracuse?!
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Post by Dhall on Apr 19, 2010 10:32:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry it came across that way. But what do you think of this scenario: poor minority kid gets a scholarship from Georgetown and then goes on to earn big money on Wall Street. Should that person contribute back to the university in at least the amount that they received in the form of their scholarship? While Greg absolutely gave a lot to the school any way you look at it (including economically), I think his now professional career success has been and will be improved by what he received at Georgetown. In a way that exceeds his contributions. So give something back, like an endowed scholarship. If a scholarship basketball player goes on to work as a security guard, well I don't think they owe the university a dime. If a scholarship player takes the Hoyas to a Final Four, then I think the economics, etc. are such that they have already "paid back" their scholarship. Would this be nice? Yes. Can you ask that of someone? No, in my opinion. Well the Georgetown development office asks me several times a year. Do I have to give, no. Do I think I should, yes.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 19, 2010 10:34:07 GMT -5
Hey jackals, how much should Nikita, Omar, V Mack, Summers, & others be contributing to the University? The scholly is a one year commitment by the University. It is mutually beneficial. More importantly, how many lax players, track athletes, girls athletes, etc. who don't go four years are you requesting payment from? Get a life. The guy represented the University well off the court and that is of equal, if not more important, then his hoops. I am guessing you were able to pay for your four years at Gtown? No, your parents did (so did mine)! Surprise! Your argument falls flat before you even get out of the gates and you should just thank Greg for the time he spent on the hilltop.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 19, 2010 11:14:17 GMT -5
Best of luck to Greg. I'm sure he's even more angry about not having better results on the court than we are. Another really good kid that represented the University how I'd love all kids to represent it. Pretty much a no-brainer for him to jump which, in a way, is sad because it seems like he really enjoyed school but I'm glad for him that he's going to get a chance to do what he's always wanted to do. Go get em!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2010 11:25:13 GMT -5
Greg is current;y projected by Draft Express to head to Utah at 9.
I'd love to see him go to a winning team -- it's the type of team that will appreciate him more. He won't get much playmaking opportunity with such a good PG, but I think Sloan will know how to use him. It won't be another Jim O'Brien scenario.
I'd of course love to see him in Golden State as well, as I think he could flourish in the offense even if the team is bound to suck forever.
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Post by westendhoya on Apr 19, 2010 11:26:18 GMT -5
Anyone know if he is (or is going to) sign with D. Faulk?
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 19, 2010 11:33:52 GMT -5
Let's see, Falk is Jeff's, Roy's, He was not Summers agent
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Post by Boz on Apr 19, 2010 11:36:14 GMT -5
Careful. I wouldn't put it past the Bird of Prey to sue you if you keep misspelling his name.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 19, 2010 11:50:49 GMT -5
Hey jackals, how much should Nikita, Omar, V Mack, Summers, & others be contributing to the University? The scholly is a one year commitment by the University. It is mutually beneficial. More importantly, how many lax players, track athletes, girls athletes, etc. who don't go four years are you requesting payment from? Get a life. The guy represented the University well off the court and that is of equal, if not more important, then his hoops. I am guessing you were able to pay for your four years at Gtown? No, your parents did (so did mine)! Surprise! Your argument falls flat before you even get out of the gates and you should just thank Greg for the time he spent on the hilltop. Absolutely. The only thing Greg "owes" Georgetown is making sure he continues to be a good representative of the program as a professional and, more importantly, as a person. I have no doubt he will do just that.
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Post by Filo on Apr 19, 2010 12:04:20 GMT -5
Greg is current;y projected by Draft Express to head to Utah at 9. I'd love to see him go to a winning team -- it's the type of team that will appreciate him more. He won't get much playmaking opportunity with such a good PG, but I think Sloan will know how to use him. It won't be another Jim O'Brien scenario. I'd of course love to see him in Golden State as well, as I think he could flourish in the offense even if the team is bound to suck forever. Now that it's a reality, I can't help but think that if he doesn't go top 5, he should have stayed at GU. Not that I have any logic behind that, though.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 19, 2010 12:26:09 GMT -5
Greg is current;y projected by Draft Express to head to Utah at 9. I'd love to see him go to a winning team -- it's the type of team that will appreciate him more. He won't get much playmaking opportunity with such a good PG, but I think Sloan will know how to use him. It won't be another Jim O'Brien scenario. I'd of course love to see him in Golden State as well, as I think he could flourish in the offense even if the team is bound to suck forever. Now that it's a reality, I can't help but think that if he doesn't go top 5, he should have stayed at GU. Not that I have any logic behind that, though. I think that might be true, but you can't really evaluate his decision until after the NBA resolves its labor dispute. Top 10 now and getting in under the current CBA and getting at least one full year of playing time and salary might be a lot more valuable than top 5 next year and half a season of games and paychecks (and who knows if the salary scale for rookies is going to stay the same?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2010 13:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by rustyshackleford on Apr 19, 2010 13:14:54 GMT -5
Even from a financial perspective it makes no sense to claim Monroe owes Georgetown anything. Gtown basketball pulled in almost 10 million dollars last year in revenues and over 2 million dollars in profit. money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/That was largely done through of tv contracts, apparel, verizon seats, etc. That all is obviously dependent on the brand that hoyas bball puts out -- you'll notice generally that teams that win less take in less money. A guy like Greg is the reason why we continue to remain as relevant and high profile as a competitive team in a big time conference as much as any other person (besides arguably III). That puts people in seats, gets us on tv, moves hats/shirts etc. On top of that a big time recruit like greg choosing gtown, improving over his time here, becoming a highly touted player nationally and then leaving to become a lottery pick in the nba also spurs other similar talented players to look more favorably on us and eventually choose us during recruiting. The added value of a guy like Greg is easily at least worth a couple full scholarships a year and arguably more. Frankly, the argument the other way, that players should also be given a stipend for the money the generate (even if it isn't a big amount) makes more sense to me than saying a player owes anything. This doesn't even consider all the other incredibly relevant things whereby a recruit adds worth to a university, like their contributions as a student and their character, which completely justify any scholarships given out to guys like a Tyler Crawford and others.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 19, 2010 13:22:17 GMT -5
Even from a financial perspective it makes no sense to claim Monroe owes Georgetown anything. Gtown basketball pulled in almost 10 million dollars last year in revenues and over 2 million dollars in profit. money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/That was largely done through of tv contracts, apparel, verizon seats, etc. That all is obviously dependent on the brand that hoyas bball puts out -- you'll notice generally that teams that win less take in less money. A guy like Greg is the reason why we continue to remain as relevant and high profile as a competitive team in a big time conference as much as any other person (besides arguably III). That puts people in seats, gets us on tv, moves hats/shirts etc. On top of that a big time recruit like greg choosing gtown, improving over his time here, becoming a highly touted player nationally and then leaving to become a lottery pick in the nba also spurs other similar talented players to look more favorably on us and eventually choose us during recruiting. The added value of a guy like Greg is easily at least worth a couple full scholarships a year and arguably more. Frankly, the argument the other way, that players should also be given a stipend for the money the generate (even if it isn't a big amount) makes more sense to me than saying a player owes anything. This doesn't even consider all the other incredibly relevant things whereby a recruit adds worth to a university, like their contributions as a student and their character, which completely justify any scholarships given out to guys like a Tyler Crawford and others. +100000000. This is the type of analysis I just thought most people understood and didnt have to be led to this obvious conclusion, but... By the standards laid out so eloquently, it would seem to me that GU owes GM more than just a schollie, but that is another topic for another day. Long and short, GM does not owe GU anything monetary. They both HAVE benefited from their relationship and will CONTINUE to do so...
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Post by Dhall on Apr 19, 2010 13:45:03 GMT -5
Even from a financial perspective it makes no sense to claim Monroe owes Georgetown anything. Gtown basketball pulled in almost 10 million dollars last year in revenues and over 2 million dollars in profit. money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/That was largely done through of tv contracts, apparel, verizon seats, etc. That all is obviously dependent on the brand that hoyas bball puts out -- you'll notice generally that teams that win less take in less money. A guy like Greg is the reason why we continue to remain as relevant and high profile as a competitive team in a big time conference as much as any other person (besides arguably III). That puts people in seats, gets us on tv, moves hats/shirts etc. On top of that a big time recruit like greg choosing gtown, improving over his time here, becoming a highly touted player nationally and then leaving to become a lottery pick in the nba also spurs other similar talented players to look more favorably on us and eventually choose us during recruiting. The added value of a guy like Greg is easily at least worth a couple full scholarships a year and arguably more. Frankly, the argument the other way, that players should also be given a stipend for the money the generate (even if it isn't a big amount) makes more sense to me than saying a player owes anything. This doesn't even consider all the other incredibly relevant things whereby a recruit adds worth to a university, like their contributions as a student and their character, which completely justify any scholarships given out to guys like a Tyler Crawford and others. +100000000. This is the type of analysis I just thought most people understood and didnt have to be led to this obvious conclusion, but... By the standards laid out so eloquently, it would seem to me that GU owes GM more than just a schollie, but that is another topic for another day. Long and short, GM does not owe GU anything monetary. They both HAVE benefited from their relationship and will CONTINUE to do so... You guys are pretty easy fodder. Your argument is that revenues generated by Georgetown before Greg arrived on campus are attributable to him. Funny. Since I'm already the evil poster on this thread, I'll add that Greg was both the biggest whiner to the refs and the biggest showboat on the team this year. While other kids at other schools are much worse than that, I could have lived without it. I will take Austin Freeman's "representation of the school" over Greg's any day of the week. I have no idea what people are referring to when they say Greg represented the school well. He didn't get arrested? True, he did not represent the school poorly. Good luck to Greg, it was much better to have him here than not and I wish he came back for another year. But I'm not going to put him up on a pedestal either.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 19, 2010 13:51:36 GMT -5
Yikes DHall. I guess one can dismiss the way he represented himself on and off the court. And I guess one can dismiss the notoriety he brought to the program. But then one would not be operating in the realm of reality. Because this is the reality...athletes are the reason that schools get airtime. They are the reason jerseys, tickets, advertising revenues are generated. Were we making money before Greg, of course. But the point is that what he and other players are DIRECTLY responsible for is $$$. Therefore, to think the university is owed something because he didnt produce postseason wins or he whined to refs, well that is crazy.
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Post by Dhall on Apr 19, 2010 14:08:53 GMT -5
Yikes DHall. I guess one can dismiss the way he represented himself on and off the court. And I guess one can dismiss the notoriety he brought to the program. But then one would not be operating in the realm of reality. Because this is the reality...athletes are the reason that schools get airtime. They are the reason jerseys, tickets, advertising revenues are generated. Were we making money before Greg, of course. But the point is that what he and other players are DIRECTLY responsible for is $$$. Therefore, to think the university is owed something because he didnt produce postseason wins or he whined to refs, well that is crazy. I acknowledged the same multiple times. I just thought he got more than we did for his two years if you look at the contract he's about to sign and future earnings. That's all. If you don't agree, fine. I'm done.
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Post by hoyafan80 on Apr 19, 2010 14:09:05 GMT -5
At the risk of being attacked for my first post skewing towards the negaitve side of things, I have to agree with the posters saying that the "Monroe Era" was a pretty big disappointment. As a lifelong Hoyas fan, though not an alum, I've been pretty satisfied lurking around these boards for the last few years. But judging Greg's accomplishments (or lack thereof) against some of the great players of the past, they just don't stand up. Yes, he put up some great stats this year. Yes, he has a ton of talent and will be missed on the team next year. Does that mean he was one of the "greats?" I don't think so. Perhaps the reason why his departure is so polarizing is that achieving greatness was such a possibility for Greg Monroe. He certainly has the talent at the college level, but for some reason it never clicked for the teams he was a part of. In all honestly, I would not be surprised if the Hoyas are a better "team" next year, even without their most talented player. I'm squarely in the camp that Austin was the best player on this year's team, but I can't argue that Monroe had more of an impact in many ways. Either way, all we can do is look forward. If Nate or Henry can position themselves to have an immediate impact, and Julian can take that leap that some guys take in their senior years (Hilton Armstrong comes to mind), there's a chance that the lack of an inside presence may not be as pronounced as some think. Only time will tell.
Anyway, glad to be a part of the board and look forward to next season, which will be the first in a few years that I don't necessarily have high expectations. The team could be great, or it could be a transition year, we just don't know yet. I am definitely excited to find out, though...
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