Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Apr 19, 2010 8:47:03 GMT -5
I don't want this to sound the wrong way, but I think Greg owes the University some cash! Sure, schools exploit the kids for their basketball talents, but looking back on the past two years he certainly received a lot more than he gave. He is a much much better player thanks to the opportunity he had at Georgetown and the coaching. Yes, he contributed to the program and represented it well during the two years, but he was part of an awful team and then a good but underachieving/inconsistent team.
I don't blame Greg for leaving at all, but I'd think an endowed scholarship for a basketball player would even things out. I wouldn't have written this two years ago, but if you take everything into account with hindsight, he came out ahead and the program came out behind. Part of that is on him and part is on the coaching staff and other players.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 19, 2010 8:51:00 GMT -5
Its kinda weird seeing Greg declare for the draft because what actually are we missing with him leaving?The pre-season BE POY, experience, depth, one of the best frontcourts in the nation, 16.1 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3.8 apg. Lets not make it out to sound as if we do not lose anything with him gone. Agreed. It is unbelievable that anyone would try to paint the picture that GM wasnt our best all around player and we wont miss him. Uhhh, we most certainly will. With his departure, it is hard to tell how good we will be because it is relative. How good are our incoming players, how big will our returning players step forward, who else around the country is losing, etc. What is quite obvious though is that we are a much better team with his production/experience on the court in spite of his team leading turnovers..
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2010 8:53:04 GMT -5
You forgot to mention, 0 NCAA tournament wins in the last 2 years.
Shoot, Maryland even had 2 NCAA tournament victories the last 2 years.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 19, 2010 8:57:02 GMT -5
College basketball is a business. The hope of a great team sold season tickets for the gtwo years he was with the program. Season tciket sales equate to booster contributions.
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2010 9:15:38 GMT -5
so, without Greg we would sell no season-tickets. he gave us hope.
despite the fact we were Big East regular season champs the year before he got there. And been to the Final Four two years before that. And the Sweet Sixteen 3 years before that.
and the same man, who coached those teams, was coaching the Georgetown program.
i mean, i don't know.
Greg did very little besides get individual accomplishments here.
There isn't much to show for the Greg Monroe era of Georgetown basketball.
Its not a knock on Greg, but it is what it is.
If we had gone to the Sweet Sixteen with him this year, and he leaves early, then I could see if we would be missing something.
But we got dominated by Ohio.
Austin Freeman is our best player, our only leader and most poised player on the team. The Louisville takeover game, the Notre Dame game where he was sick and his absence in the WVA game showed that.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 19, 2010 9:17:21 GMT -5
I don't want this to sound the wrong way, but I think Greg owes the University some cash! Sure, schools exploit the kids for their basketball talents, but looking back on the past two years he certainly received a lot more than he gave. He is a much much better player thanks to the opportunity he had at Georgetown and the coaching. Yes, he contributed to the program and represented it well during the two years, but he was part of an awful team and then a good but underachieving/inconsistent team. I don't blame Greg for leaving at all, but I'd think an endowed scholarship for a basketball player would even things out. I wouldn't have written this two years ago, but if you take everything into account with hindsight, he came out ahead and the program came out behind. Part of that is on him and part is on the coaching staff and other players. Finally, someone else has joined team "the players get a lot from the school and actually DO owe the University something." Welcome, DHall. Get ready for people to slay you for it. As for Greg, though, I'd be willing to call it even if he does like Jeff and comes back during his summers to finish his degree. Any player who does that is 100% legit stand-up person in my book. For all the talk Greg and his family gave to "academics" during his recruiting and time here, I'd just like to see him walk that walk.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 19, 2010 9:26:36 GMT -5
I could write a longer post on this, but all I will say is that no, I do not think Greg owes the University any cash.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 19, 2010 9:30:56 GMT -5
I'll say it then.
Dhall, I like you and respect you greatly as a poster.....that being said, you just wrote some of the dumbest ish that I've ever seen on this board. You're better than that. I'd expect a post like that from some of the crash dummies on this board...not you
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 19, 2010 9:31:15 GMT -5
To me, the Monroe era will clearly go down as one of disappointment. It's a shame that he never won an NCAA game during his two years on the Hilltop. The kid was the #1 recruit in the land, played with some other highly touted recruits, and his 2 teams didn't produce anything of lasting significance. I guess the best we'll have to remember of his era was the Big East tournament this past year.
That said, Monroe would have been a moron to come back. With the collective bargaining agreement issue and the fact that he's a guaranteed lottery pick, the intelligent decision was to go pro now. He improved significantly from freshman year to sophomore year, and it's not at all clear that next season his stock would have been any higher. In fact, anything less than a Sweet Sixteen next season and Monroe would have been labeled (rightfully so) a big time underachiever.
So, he goes pro now, makes his millions, and JT III can point to another of his players being a lottery pick. How many programs in the country can say they've had 3 frontcourt players drafted in the top 17 over the last 4 years? How many programs can say they've had 5 frontcourt players drafted in the top 43 over the last 4 years? Those are big-time statistics to put in front of recruits...time to update the recruiting brochures.
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2010 9:33:29 GMT -5
To me, the Monroe era will clearly go down as one of disappointment. It's a shame that he never won an NCAA game during his two years on the Hilltop. The kid was the #1 recruit in the land, played with some other highly touted recruits, and his 2 teams didn't produce anything of lasting significance. I guess the best we'll have to remember of his era was the Big East tournament this past year. That said, Monroe would have been a moron to come back. With the collective bargaining agreement issue and the fact that he's a guaranteed lottery pick, the intelligent decision was to go pro now. He improved significantly from freshman year to sophomore year, and it's not at all clear that next season his stock would have been any higher. In fact, anything less than a Sweet Sixteen next season and Monroe would have been labeled (rightfully so) a big time underachiever. So, he goes pro now, makes his millions, and JT III can point to another of his players being a lottery pick. How many programs in the country can say they've had 3 frontcourt players drafted in the top 17 over the last 4 years? How many programs can say they've had 5 frontcourt players drafted in the top 43 over the last 5 years? Those are big-time statistics to put in front of recruits...time to update the recruiting brochures. Excellent points, especially the last paragraph.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 19, 2010 9:33:43 GMT -5
Way,
No we didn't win an NCAA tournament game in Greg's time. But in his freshman season, this was Sapp and Summers team way more than it was Greg's. He gets a pass from me simply because of all the B.S. that went on behind the scenes that season. This year, while it was disappointing that we went out the way we did, you can't tell me that we didn't improve as a team and a program. That's just dumb.
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Post by the_way on Apr 19, 2010 9:39:07 GMT -5
Greg was the same player he was the year before. Weak physical strength, poor defense, no right hand, takes more pride in passing the basketball than anything else in his game as a big man.
If it wasn't for Austin Freeman's improvement in the leadership department and assertiveness, we would have been NIT bound again this year.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 19, 2010 9:39:56 GMT -5
so, without Greg we would sell no season-tickets. he gave us hope. despite the fact we were Big East regular season champs the year before he got there. And been to the Final Four two years before that. And the Sweet Sixteen 3 years before that. and the same man, who coached those teams, was coaching the Georgetown program. i mean, i don't know. Greg did very little besides get individual accomplishments here. There isn't much to show for the Greg Monroe era of Georgetown basketball. Its not a knock on Greg, but it is what it is. If we had gone to the Sweet Sixteen with him this year, and he leaves early, then I could see if we would be missing something. But we got dominated by Ohio. Austin Freeman is our best player, our only leader and most poised player on the team. The Louisville takeover game, the Notre Dame game where he was sick and his absence in the WVA game showed that. And yes in spite of all that, GM was still our best player. He led the team in scoring, rebounds, blocks. This team without GM would have had no interior presence whatsoever. While I will agree that Austin was a stud too, having a BIG is a lot different than having a wing. Case in point, only one NBA team has been dominant and won without a legit BIG, but they had #23. I figured when GM left there would be many detractors that came forward. And although I am quoting/responding to your post directly, it is not aimed at you. This is the most criticism I have heard from GM since he has been here and this was the easiest decision for him to make. I would have accepted it if it came post games where his turnovers or bad defensive position led to losses but now all of a sudden everyone wants to point out his faults and diminish his role/importance on the team...
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Post by Dhall on Apr 19, 2010 9:43:48 GMT -5
I'll say it then. Dhall, I like you and respect you greatly as a poster.....that being said, you just wrote some of the dumbest ish that I've ever seen on this board. You're better than that. I'd expect a post like that from some of the crash dummies on this board...not you I'm sorry it came across that way. But what do you think of this scenario: poor minority kid gets a scholarship from Georgetown and then goes on to earn big money on Wall Street. Should that person contribute back to the university in at least the amount that they received in the form of their scholarship? While Greg absolutely gave a lot to the school any way you look at it (including economically), I think his now professional career success has been and will be improved by what he received at Georgetown. In a way that exceeds his contributions. So give something back, like an endowed scholarship. If a scholarship basketball player goes on to work as a security guard, well I don't think they owe the university a dime. If a scholarship player takes the Hoyas to a Final Four, then I think the economics, etc. are such that they have already "paid back" their scholarship.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 19, 2010 9:49:15 GMT -5
Losing Greg is certainly a loss for this team, it is silly to argue otherwise. But how much of a loss, well, that is a different matter. And we will certainly know, when we see how far we go next year. If we are better in the conference and win 2 or 3 NCAA games, there may be some legitimate disagreement. If Austin, and to a lesser extent Chris, are the leaders some claim, we should expect to be better. So we'll see.
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Post by Boz on Apr 19, 2010 9:53:09 GMT -5
I figured when GM left there would be many detractors that came forward. And although I am quoting/responding to your post directly, it is not aimed at you. This is the most criticism I have heard from GM since he has been here and this was the easiest decision for him to make. I would have accepted it if it came post games where his turnovers or bad defensive position led to losses but now all of a sudden everyone wants to point out his faults and diminish his role/importance on the team... "Paging Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, please report to the Hoyatalk board."
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 19, 2010 9:55:09 GMT -5
Dhall,
Every single athlete that goes through college basketball is exploited in some way. Basketball should be used as a means to an end by all of the players. For themselves they need to get a degree. I mean, really, that's all they owe, is themselves. I was just as disappointed with our lack of postseason success than anyone. But big picture, Georgetown, in Greg's two years, made more off him than he will ever make off the school. And that's through T.V. revenue, invites to big time tournaments, exposure to potential recruits.....Greg doesn't owe anyone anything. He owes it to himself to become the best player he can be, the best person he can be and to continue to be the best student he can be for when his basketball life comes to an end.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Apr 19, 2010 9:59:30 GMT -5
I think some posters are expressing the following sentiment about GM:
Objectively his numbers were very good. Subjectively there was no 'wow' factor that many expected. Carmelo Anthony carried his team to the national championship. Greg didnt (and possibly couldn't) carry the team but was a solid contributor. Some of us expected a wow factor ... a guy who could dominate the game and the season for long stretches. Greg did not do this with his play and his demeanor at times was interpreted as apathetic. Again, I just cannot identify him "as Georgetown" in part because he was only there for two years and in part because nothing great happened to the team. Iverson was at Georgetown for only two years but there was a wow factor ... he carried the team at times, pushed us through the tourney and had a stellar career in the NBA. Stay tuned for the latter with regard to GM/
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Post by Filo on Apr 19, 2010 10:01:59 GMT -5
I figured when GM left there would be many detractors that came forward. And although I am quoting/responding to your post directly, it is not aimed at you. This is the most criticism I have heard from GM since he has been here and this was the easiest decision for him to make. I would have accepted it if it came post games where his turnovers or bad defensive position led to losses but now all of a sudden everyone wants to point out his faults and diminish his role/importance on the team... "Paging Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, please report to the Hoyatalk board." I thought I would head straight for depression but, surprisingly, I am at acceptance, so I guess there was no grief involved. Can't wait to see some of the "bargaining" posts.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 19, 2010 10:09:25 GMT -5
I'll say it then. Dhall, I like you and respect you greatly as a poster.....that being said, you just wrote some of the dumbest ish that I've ever seen on this board. You're better than that. I'd expect a post like that from some of the crash dummies on this board...not you I'm sorry it came across that way. But what do you think of this scenario: poor minority kid gets a scholarship from Georgetown and then goes on to earn big money on Wall Street. Should that person contribute back to the university in at least the amount that they received in the form of their scholarship? While Greg absolutely gave a lot to the school any way you look at it (including economically), I think his now professional career success has been and will be improved by what he received at Georgetown. In a way that exceeds his contributions. So give something back, like an endowed scholarship. If a scholarship basketball player goes on to work as a security guard, well I don't think they owe the university a dime. If a scholarship player takes the Hoyas to a Final Four, then I think the economics, etc. are such that they have already "paid back" their scholarship. Would this be nice? Yes. Can you ask that of someone? No, in my opinion.
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