emkmd
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Post by emkmd on Mar 21, 2010 19:38:06 GMT -5
20 years ago my friends and I could not believe that the Hoyas were only a 3 seed. We were freshman and went to the Leavy Center to watch the game. I remember my shock when Tillman's 3 missed at the buzzer and the 3 seeded Hoyas lost in the second round to #6 Xavier and their two future NBA player (Tyrone Hill and Arron Williams.) So many disappointing losses have happened since. Including that year there have been 12 NCAA tourney appearances with 5 second round and 2 first round exits. The loss to Ohio was especially tough because this team had achieved so much, but with the pressure on, we under achieved. So I'll do what I do almost every spring, have great expectations for next year. Go Hoyas.
By the way, if Zo had not been whistled for a couple of ridiculous touch fouls we would have taken out UNLV in '91.
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Mar 21, 2010 20:57:58 GMT -5
That was the game that sucked me in (UNLV). I was 12 years old.
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Post by grokamok on Mar 21, 2010 21:52:31 GMT -5
The GU-UNLV game made Tark's/LJ's (pre-Grandmama)/Plastic Man's Runnin' Rebels team look human, and, therefore, vulnerable. Given their undefeated record and their stomping of a certain ACC team the previous year, there's no way they would have lost in the semi-finals if that second-round game hadn't happened.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 21, 2010 22:21:53 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but as I recall it was David Edwards that rimmed out that shot at the buzzer.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 21, 2010 22:35:35 GMT -5
Even if Zo had not been in foul trouble I could not imagine the Hoyas knocking off the Rebels. I watched that game live (and of course taped it ). The Hoyas' offense was typically dreadful. Sure the Hoyas' D was able to keep them in it and the Arizona crowd was pulling hard for Gtown (or agaisnt UNLV), but you needed some competent offense to knock off UNLV and the Hoyas had none. The loss against Xavier the previous season was the much more painful defeat. Xavier's point guard had like his best game ever and Dwayne Bryant I believe got into foul trouble. David Edwards was actually chosen by CBS as the most valubale performer for the Hoyas in that game so I guess it was only naturaly for JT to chase him away after the season.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 22, 2010 5:37:58 GMT -5
It was Tillman, and they had three NBA players. You ommitted Derrick Strong, who was probably the best of the three at Xavier. Pretty incredible that a team like Xavier had 3 legit NBA big men.
I don't think David Edwards got one credit at Georgetown. He was allergic to the classroom. I remember watching him play at Texas A&M a few years later.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 22, 2010 7:03:00 GMT -5
churchwell missed an easy layup late that killed us against unlv.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 22, 2010 7:23:46 GMT -5
I remember mentioning to Zo, that I was still mad over the XU game. lol
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ceshoya
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Post by ceshoya on Mar 22, 2010 8:47:09 GMT -5
That Xavier game was in the days before DirecTV and being able to access every game. I remember watching what ever game was on and just watching the score on the bottom of the screen in disbelief.
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Post by wahoohoya on Mar 22, 2010 9:25:18 GMT -5
Terrible memory. Even though we were the 3 seed that year, a lot of people were picking us to emerge out of that region. Wasn't that a Pete Gillen team? As a UVA alum, I double hate that guy.
Even though I liked Gtown as a kid with those Ewing teams, I really became a die hard fan during the Alonzo era. Nothing but heartache starting with that Duke loss in the Elite 8. I still remember watching that Selection Sunday show the year of the UNLV loss and feeling we got a death sentence as soon as our name was called. Great game and certainly did give other teams confidence that UNLV could be beaten.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Mar 22, 2010 10:30:12 GMT -5
That 90 team peaked in January and were downhill rest of year. No way in hell they should've been as bad as they were down the stretch with Tillmon/Bryant being a great backcourt for Zo/Deke upfront. The infamous "Michael Tate Vinson" was supposed to be the great help upfront-and helped run off Milton Bell--and the SF spot was never at the level needed to compete/help this team.
Tillmon had a monster SR season though--especially to start the year/Big East season--where he lit up Pitt, and hit a huge shot to help Hoyas beat Nova on the road. Never will forget that game--with Rasheed Wallace sitting courtside at the Spectrum watching--back then Hoyas were favored to land him--but oh well.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 22, 2010 11:03:05 GMT -5
The 1989-90 team was not as bad as memories suggest--yes, they were Dick Weiss's pre-season pick as #1 (returning Mourning, Mutombo, Tillmon, and Bryant), but Milton Bell was a non-factor (Dick Vitale's lame attempt at a Bell nickname? He called him "Ding Dong"), David Edwards was a failed experiment, and Michael Tate's knees were basically shot when he arrived on campus. But consider these numbers:
Georgetown was 16-2 entering February and 22-4 entering the month of March. It lost by two in overtime to Syracuse on the Sam Jefferson foul/two technicals on Thompson game, a late loss to UConn in the Big East semis, and Xavier, all by five or less points. Six of GU's seven losses that year were by five points or less.
Georgetown had the size up front (44.8 rebounds a game) but absent Bell and Tate had no answer at small forward, and those that did (Syracuse, St. John's, Xavier) took advantage.
The bench was fairly full, at least in number: Sam Jefferson, David Edwards, Ronny Thompson, Antoine Stoudamire, Michael Tate, Anthony Allen, Milton Bell, Mike Sabol, Johnny Jones, and Kayode Vann. Within one year all but Ronny would be gone, and that was the story of the revolving door that was the 1990's.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Mar 22, 2010 11:04:53 GMT -5
Really wish David Edwards had stayed at Georgetown.
I mean, REALLY.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Mar 22, 2010 11:47:45 GMT -5
Really wish David Edwards had stayed at Georgetown. I mean, REALLY. If you mean "I wish Edwards had been capable of the academic workload and stayed at Georgetown" I agree with you. The kid shouldn't have been admitted in the first place.
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Madgesdiq
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 22, 2010 13:03:03 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but as I recall it was David Edwards that rimmed out that shot at the buzzer. I looked up the recap and Edwards missed 2 front ends of 1 and 1s in the last 10 seconds, but Tillman missed the 3.
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emkmd
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Post by emkmd on Mar 22, 2010 20:06:21 GMT -5
Dave Edwards, Mike Tate/Vinson, and Dwayne Bryant came into my freshman dorm room to study some subject with my roommate. I think Dave Edwards was there for a few minutes, then left. He re-appeared at A+M and in a Champions apparell commercial. Tate was Mr basketball from the state of Maryland, but was obviously over-hyped. I don't think it was his knees. He transferred to JMU and had little impact. His other classmates Sabol (american), Stoudemire (Oregon) also didn't last long.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 22, 2010 21:39:12 GMT -5
The game was a afternoon game on ESPN. Bronxie was in 8th grade.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 22, 2010 22:19:21 GMT -5
New "bronxie">old "bronxie". If only we could get rid of referring to oneself in the third person.
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2010 22:46:45 GMT -5
The game was a afternoon game on ESPN. Bronxie was in 8th grade. Since that was a second round game, it would have been on CBS. But definitely a late afternoon game. I remember it felt like getting kicked in the stomach, a lot like it did on Thursday. Some things never change...
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Post by paranoia2 on Mar 22, 2010 22:59:08 GMT -5
The FORWARD position (both the 3 & the 4) have caused the Hoyas a lot of pain and some missed chances at Final Fours. Off the top of my head:
1) Michael Graham: I am convinced Georgetown does not win in 1984 without him. I also believe his absence cost the 1985 title. Then in 1986 if Graham was around as a junior with Reggie and Horace, MJ, Wingate and 5th year Ralph Dalton I believe a Final Four could have been reached. Ditto in 1987 if Graham had been paired with Reggie and the Miracles. Four years of Michael Graham would have been SUBLIME.
2) Jonathan Edwards: Sort of Graham's replacement after Grady Mateen didn't pan out. Edwards brought all the physical tools as a FR and then hurt his back and was simply never the same.
3) Anthony Tucker: Talk about a forward with all the skills. Could shoot, run, rebound and play some defense. Inexplicable how he didn't find his niche with the Hoyas.
4) John Turner: Very skilled bruiser that was ALonzo's bodyguard. Ran out of school after the Rayful Edmond III fiasco. Would have been a FORCE if he stayed. A FORCE.
5) Milton Bell: Never found it as a Hoya. Great athlete that was supposed to be the small forward starter for years.
6) Michael Tate-Venson: The reason I hate players with hyphens in their names. Knees or no knees this dude was supposed to be a TOP 10 national recruit. He stunk. If he had half the game he was reported to have then Alonzo and Deke would have seen a Final Four.
7) Anthony Jones: Top 20 National recruit with a silky shooting touch. Took off for UNLV after a disappointing sophomore season.
8) Macklin: Like it or not Vern could have really helped this year's team. What's ironic is Monroe's recruitment helped Vern to leave and yet Macklin would have benefitted the most from Greg's passing. Vern's size, athleticism and finishing ability would have put this year's squad in a much better place.
That's off the top of my head. JT 2 gets the rap that he quit recruiting hard but if Tate, Bell, Tucker had stayed and produced who knows? Plus guys that were highly rated and stunk like Sam Jefferson and Jonathan Edwards (injuries) hurt too.
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