RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 17, 2010 12:46:23 GMT -5
Supposedly Hill is getting another year at RU. Buyout too high, I think.
Sounds like armed robbery for Mitchell, according to their board.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 17, 2010 12:46:36 GMT -5
The latest is that Stix Mitchell and another former SHU player were arrested last night for armed robbery. If true, the firing makes even more sense. I don't even know why we would want to touch their recruits.
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Post by NJHoya95 on Mar 17, 2010 12:49:50 GMT -5
I am a SHU Law grad and friend of Dean Pat Hobbs who is the interim AD. I saw him at the Nova game and I delicately criticized Gonzo to him at halftime. I said the kids play looking over their shoulder and that was not a way to be successful. Hobbs didn't disagree and said, "Good observation. You are not the first person who has said that to me." I never put 2 and 2 together to think that they might fire the guy.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 17, 2010 12:58:00 GMT -5
Here's the thing I want to know: "What is Seton Hall looking for?"
They have no budget to speak of. They honestly had a pretty good nine years under Amaker and Orr (7 post-seasons, 3 NCAA appearances, 5 seasons .500 or better in the best conference in the nation, a Sweet 16).
Then they hire Gonzo and they get a filthy, caffeinated 4 years resulting in 1 NIT appearance and a boatload of baggage.
I just don't know what Seton Hall's goals are right now. If it were to be competitive, they were doing that. If it's to be reputable, they were doing that. If it's to be 1989 every year, did they think Gonzo would do that for them? And even if he did, at what cost? Dumb all around.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 17, 2010 13:06:07 GMT -5
Zagoria has floated Robert Montgomery Knight as a possibility, with the source attributed as Knight's son. Now, that would be an interesting hire.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 17, 2010 13:10:37 GMT -5
"I am with SF on this. Gonzo is a total clown, but it is a shame to see him go. He's truly a sports entertainer and probably could have a career as Bam Bam Bigelow's long lost ring manager."
This would be very amusing, particularly considering that Bam Bam is gone gone.
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Post by theexorcist on Mar 17, 2010 13:23:50 GMT -5
On a previous question, Seton Hall looks like the easier job instead of DePaul. Chicago produces lots of talent, but DePaul has been so bad for so long that keeping it there is difficult. For kids who grew up rooting for Illinois or Notre Dame or Michigan, playing in the Big East is not the usual road.
Seton Hall, by contrast, has easy access to NYC's seventeen billion high school basketball stars, are located in a state with numerous powerhouses and a strong AAU presence, and are just up the road from Philadelphia and the Baltimore/Washington corridor. They play in a newly-renovated arena in an area that likes college basketball (well, good college basketball) and have easy in-conference rivalries with Rutgers and St. John's, both of whom aren't particularly good now.
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Post by guru on Mar 17, 2010 13:28:21 GMT -5
Zagoria has floated Robert Montgomery Knight as a possibility, with the source attributed as Knight's son. Now, that would be an interesting hire. I've also heard John Wooden and Dean Smith are on the list.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 17, 2010 13:32:20 GMT -5
Re: SH vs Depaul, I don't know the deal with Depaul and Chicago, but too many programs have their hands in the NY/NJ pot for Seton Hall to get its share unless something dramatically changes. Every few years, there is a regime change at SH or Rutgers and the standard articles get recycled that the new coach will keep some of the instate talent to stay. Never happens though. Kids go national or to a school like Nova.
Look for the new coach to have recruiting ties in NY/NJ and that will make all the difference everywhere except reality.
hm
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Post by NorthCarolinaHOYA on Mar 17, 2010 13:32:49 GMT -5
When watching the SH game last night and i saw the comments made by Mitchell i busted out laughing CLASSIC:
"It's hard to stay consistent as a player, when the coach isn't consistent."
"There are people three rows behind the bench who are coaching the team."
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 17, 2010 13:43:20 GMT -5
As a son of a SHU alum and growing up a SHU fan, this firing was coming for a while. His antics on the court are one thing, but the off-court issues and the constant flow of disgruntled transfers into SHU has worried the University for some time. You know it is bad when a coach can sign a 3 year extension in September, get the team to its first postseason in 4 years and then gets fired in March. I am sure a lot more will come out about this situation. Why did they get rid of Orr? Was being competitive and running a clean program that bad? Meanwhile, who do you replace this clown with? Obviously it will be an upstanding citizen and I know many local mid-majors up here had very good or series of good seasons - Siena, Stony Brook, Hofstra, just to name a few. Crazy times could be coming to the Big East NYC metro - SJU, RU and SHU may all be on the market for a coach in the next week. I know that the Hofstra-Stony Brook-Siena guys (hell, why not throw in Adelphi and Nassau Community College) have been discussed for the SJU job. There are people who actually believe that Fordham might hire a better coach than SJU -- Fordham supposedly is about to make a major $$$ commitment to hoops. Which is why you see so many of those Billy Donovan-to-SJU whoppers on the SJU board. Not to be completely nuts about it, but I would not be shocked if the Hurley name (most likely Danny or his father) were thrown into the mix.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 17, 2010 13:54:28 GMT -5
They were rightfully concerned that the chaos would only get worse (particularly without a strong AD in place), and that he wouldn't win enough to get rid of the stench. You'll hear names like Fran McCaffrey but he apparently has a great gig at Siena -- half a million a year, full house every night, great standing within the university etc. Not sure SH would offer him enough to make him want to rescue a Big East bottom feeder. There's also some buzz that Keno Clark may be on his way to Iowa. McAffrey has a great deal up here at Siena and doesn't seem anxious to go anywhere right now, although he is losing 3 seniors this season and they will most likely take a step or two down next year. As a former UND assistant, married to a former ND women's player, that appears to be his dream job, but the late-season heroics out there certainly earned Brey another couple of years. Gonzo was a jerk in the MAAC conference, but some nsuccessful team at that level will hire him.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 17, 2010 13:57:08 GMT -5
A bigs committed to them? Yes! and now he may be available. First name: Latavious. ;D
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 17, 2010 13:57:48 GMT -5
Zagoria has floated Robert Montgomery Knight as a possibility, with the source attributed as Knight's son. Now, that would be an interesting hire. That would be quite interesting, he would have a few things to say about some of the programs in the league, could create some real uproar fairly quickly. But he is probably too much of a disciplinarian to succeed these days, even though he would straighten out that ness.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Mar 17, 2010 14:03:17 GMT -5
Gonzo Gone-zo!
A little surprising, given that Seton Hall has improved during Gonzo's four years, and that Hazell will be a senior next year. But I guess the off the court issues and sideshow were too much.
Interesting to note Seton Hall's last coach, Louis Orr, left after their last NCAA appearance in 2006, also not because of on-court results, but because of recruiting issues.
P.S. Wasn't Norm Roberts fired? I checked the St. John's web site and he is still listed as their coach. Who is coaching them in the NIT? They play at Memphis tonight.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 17, 2010 14:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 17, 2010 14:12:45 GMT -5
Gonzo Gone-zo! A little surprising, given that Seton Hall has improved during Gonzo's four years Improved in what way? Both his predecessors went to multiple post-seasons and both won NCAA tournament games. Gonzo hasn't even won an NIT game. Compared to his first lousy year, sure. Compared to the prior decade, Gonzo the Great finishes a distant, crooked 3rd in results AND conduct. Roberts is still officially the coach of SJU, FYI.
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Post by JB5 on Mar 17, 2010 14:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by JS on Mar 17, 2010 14:45:52 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2010/03/18/sports/ncaabasketball/18gonzalez.html?ref=sportsA Pirates player, Robert Mitchell, was arrested in Newark on Tuesday and charged with kidnapping, robbery, burglary and possession of a weapon, according to a law enforcement official in Essex County. Mitchell was accused along with another person of breaking into a home in South Orange, duct-taping eight people and stealing cash and personal items. The police have not identified the other person.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 17, 2010 14:46:12 GMT -5
Re: SH vs Depaul, I don't know the deal with Depaul and Chicago, but too many programs have their hands in the NY/NJ pot for Seton Hall to get its share unless something dramatically changes. Every few years, there is a regime change at SH or Rutgers and the standard articles get recycled that the new coach will keep some of the instate talent to stay. Never happens though. Kids go national or to a school like Nova. Look for the new coach to have recruiting ties in NY/NJ and that will make all the difference everywhere except reality. hm Good post. There are a lot of fans at RU/SHU and even SJU that always seem to think it's "just a matter of keeping the home-grown talent at home." They've been chasing this dream forever and every time a new coach comes to town everybody gets excited thinking they might be the guy who can get it done. But, never happens. IMO short of a huge name coach coming to one of the Jersey schools, the Kyree Irvings, Michael Gilchrists, Dexter Stricklands, Samardo Samuels, etc etc of the world are not going to stay in NJ. They just have better options elsewhere. The first step for the Jersey schools is realizing it and re-evaluating the strategy. Not that they shouldn't focus locally at all anymore, but I think they need to recruit a little more broadly. I believe Calhoun has said that that was the key to his success--instead of just trying to pluck kids from NYC where he had to face off with a ton of power schools, he went out of area for guys like Ray Allen (South Carolina?), El-Amin (Minnesota), Voskuhl (Texas) and many others, and put a lot of good teams together featuring guys from many different parts of the country. Then as his teams began to get a lot more recognition for their success in the Big East and nationally, it became much easier to make headway with New York City/metro area kids. I like the guy from Richmond, Mooney, for SHU. Princeton guy, originally from Philly, so he knows his way around the northeast. Also a pretty likeable guy with no baggage, and pretty young. Plus the most important thing, he's done a pretty good coaching job as the head man at a school that's in a respectable conference. If he'd be willing to take the SHU job (not sure) I think he'd be a real nice pickup.
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