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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 3, 2010 9:46:40 GMT -5
your situation where you completely changed his stat line based on what you thought he should have done and what would have happened had he done those things... thats what was hypothetical. and i still stand by my statement, thats what separates the good players from the great players, the ability to finish a play even after making an ill-advised move That you think great players make bad decisions and essentially get bailed out by good results makes any more discussion pretty pointless. But, assuming that completely illogical premise were actually true, you're pretty much in agreement with me then because it would make Chris a player who simply makes ill-advised moves to the hoop with no corresponding ability to finish them. As per my original point, which I thought was neither finger-pointing nor blaming Chris for our loss last night, he is going to have to learn to finish those plays if he is going to continue making them. Otherwise, they are, as I just said, poor decisions and not some indicator of a great player at work. And Daytona, I know how you feel about Chris, but this was simply a discussion on Chris Wright. I'm mostly in agreement with you about him being the PG for this team. At the same time, you realize some of the praise and criticisms are linked. Chris got praise after the L'ville game essentially for his great decision-making. Some of the criticism now is about less than great decision making. I will, however, always agree about the Rutgers shot. I'll take that shot every day of the week and twice on Sunday. EDIT: And as I was writing, Reynolds executed a perfect jump stop under control to the block, drew a defender and dished. It's a move that is a necessity for any guy under 6'2" to perfect. my point is that you cant bash him for not being a great player and just being a good player, if you do that then criticize everyone else on our team (except maybe austin)
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 3, 2010 11:35:17 GMT -5
Dan I have this question about cross posting? I thought that you were only supposed to post in one place ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 3, 2010 11:46:14 GMT -5
It is an "advanced moderation" technique. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by nodak89 on Mar 3, 2010 13:02:00 GMT -5
Head up and keep heart, CW!
The Hoya fan(s) of the great state of North Dakota are with you!
He is our best cutter. I love how has been one of the few to get the ball just under the FT line against a zone. Keep on driving and keep bleeding blue.
ps I hope you're not really reading this. I can barely read HoyaTalk after a loss.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 3, 2010 15:30:21 GMT -5
Theme song in the works possibly?
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Post by RDF on Mar 3, 2010 23:00:33 GMT -5
I've always been/will be a big fan of Chris Wright as a player--think he's worked hard to transition from a scoring/combo guy to a lead guard--and it's not easy. Never question his effort on court but wish he'd understand the game better.
That being said--if he or anyone else has time to worry about what FANS--as in FANATICS are saying to him--maybe he should spend more time when he's not studying--studing his opponents and working on his game and less on Twitter, Facebook, etc....and it's amazing what happens. For a guy with his ability--he/Jason Clark form the worst defensive backcourt Georgetown has had in a while--and it's not from a lack of ability--they are more gifted physically then many guys before them--but if you don't buy into team defense or understand that a scouting report is made for a reason--you'll get torched repeatedly.
"Rabbit Ears" in sports is never good.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 4, 2010 0:07:29 GMT -5
That being said--if he or anyone else has time to worry about what FANS--as in FANATICS are saying to him--maybe he should spend more time when he's not studying--studing his opponents and working on his game and less on Twitter, Facebook, etc....and it's amazing what happens. This goes double for Henry Sims, who has 13 tweets in the last hour making fun of the size of Jason Clark's...laptop.
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Post by RDF on Mar 4, 2010 1:03:32 GMT -5
That being said--if he or anyone else has time to worry about what FANS--as in FANATICS are saying to him--maybe he should spend more time when he's not studying--studing his opponents and working on his game and less on Twitter, Facebook, etc....and it's amazing what happens. This goes double for Henry Sims, who has 13 tweets in the last hour making fun of the size of Jason Clark's...laptop. Agree--and I've never seen a guy who seems more hyped for Midnight Madness then ACTUAL GAMES then Henry--but he's still young/has an offseason to develop--deleted. MOD NOTE: no speculation on (or wishing for) players' present or future status.
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Post by hoyaalf on Mar 4, 2010 8:44:26 GMT -5
Whoa!
This being a CW thread let me re-set course.
Chris, you have my personal permission to do whatever Coach says.
Ignore all other posts.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 4, 2010 9:13:56 GMT -5
That being said--if he or anyone else has time to worry about what FANS--as in FANATICS are saying to him--maybe he should spend more time when he's not studying--studing his opponents and working on his game and less on Twitter, Facebook, etc....and it's amazing what happens. Wow, RDF, I usually like what you say, but it's pretty amazing that any of us who write on a message board (and often defend ourselves against what others say about us) could write something like this with a straight face. Maybe it's a generational thing, but it's not too hard for a kid to tweet or update a facebook status a few times a day. And if I were Chris, or any other kid on the team, it wouldn't be hard to find out (in less than two minutes), that there are fans calling out not only my performance, but my effort. And yeah, I'd probably be pretty Editeded. I've never been a big-time Division I (or really any other kind of) athlete, but it seems to me there are plenty of reasons I'd be upset if I worked 50, 60, 70 hours a week on becoming a better basketball player and representing my school, oh, all while working to be successful in my classes and have some semblance of a college student lifestyle, which--yes, for many--includes a facebook page or a twitter account, and then have fans say that I don't put in enough effort, for what? fan's enjoyment?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2010 9:22:58 GMT -5
^^^It's just a part of living in the 21st century. It's what people do. And considering the kids can update from their phones while walking to class, it doesn't seem like a big deal. Plus, I like reading that stuff.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Mar 4, 2010 10:04:26 GMT -5
^^^It's just a part of living in the 21st century. It's what people do. And considering the kids can update from their phones while walking to class, it doesn't seem like a big deal. Plus, I like reading that stuff. Yeah, it's not like the guys have to start a fire for the smoke signals or dig up some hematite for cave paintings or however RDF communicated with his friends in college. This is a ridiculously silly complaint.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 4, 2010 10:12:20 GMT -5
Doesn't RDF have like 5000+ posts? Hello Mr. Kettle, I'm Mr. Pot.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2010 10:58:48 GMT -5
Twitter is like sitting around bs'ing with your friends for these guys.
I can't imagine the number of hours I wasted bsing playing Mario Kart, NHL, Goldeye, etc.
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Post by RDF on Mar 4, 2010 10:59:09 GMT -5
For those who don't understand the concept of "rabbit ears"---it's about having THIN skin--as in maybe you shouldn't be wasting time engaging with those who you don't agree with. I INVITE arguments and like to Edited people off--so it's fun to laugh at the basketball retarded who think Joe Lunardi is an "expert" or Ken Pomeroy holds the fate of a "season in his stats". So it's fun to engage, argue, and fight with that mentality.
Chris Wright is a player I like--but he needs to grow up and realize that not everyone in life is going to like you, how you play, and they all will offer advice. As Pops said this past Summer in the "Homecoming" Zo did with Rick Reilly--you have to convince kids today that you know what you are talking about--just to be able to pass on the knowledge you have to help improve their game. So we've got an issue where Chris Wright and kids like him--listen to what a bunch of fans say about their game--and engage in that and follow it? It's pathetic. The only people who should worry about message boards are the fans because if you are a coach/player/parent you better realize that there will always be CRITICISM--fair/unfair. Thing is--if you are a player/coach--you can CONTROL the outcome--fans can't. So prove them wrong if you don't like what they are saying.
Just think it's ridiculous that a player who had a horrific 1st Half of a game--and Chris flat out SUCKED against WVU--until game was out of reach, and then he had a nice 2nd Half on offensive end and everyone talks about "heart" he showed. He's almost to his SR year and you know what--"heart" isn't playing like dog feces for one half-and not giving your all on defensive end of court--as he and Jason Clark have done all year--and they should be criticized because their performance isn't matching their potential/ability. When that happens--most fans who care--are going to want to see them improve--but again--you can take criticism as "hatred" or you can take it as "people care and want to see you get better/improve"--either way--it should matter a helluva lot more what his COACH thinks then what people on Twitter, Facebook, and message boards do--but obviously he's in category that he/his inner circle like to read about themselves/teammates--which is fine--but to acknowledge it--not the best thing imo. He's got too much talent to waste his career never figuring out how to lead a team--and how to play championship caliber basketball--which he's still light years away from doing. Credit him for trying to change--but it's time to change and be better-or just realize--he'll get blasted on all forums because people judge you on winning/not stats. Fair/Unfair.
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Post by momzer on Mar 4, 2010 11:20:05 GMT -5
+10. Couldn't have said it better myself. CW has to look at himself, listen to his coach and see how HE can get better to quiet the critics. The introspective will either either make or break him into a better player. Hopefully, better.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 4, 2010 14:06:21 GMT -5
The funniest part of this thread is people are actually debating the validity of whether or not twitter is taking away from his tape-watching time. Like counting minutes allocated as if that were the point of the post.
I believe the point of RDF's post was that Chris needs to worry about himself, his teammates, and his coaches regarding his performance. If he finds it necessary to shout to the universe that people are being big meanies, maybe he should re-focus his energy.
As I said before, plenty of time to change his legacy at GU but only he can do it.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 4, 2010 15:12:17 GMT -5
I'd like Chris to tweet from the bench (if he's ever there) asking others how he's doing so far in the game in real-time. That way, all of our collective basketball brilliance will be brought to bear and Georgetown will be a lock for the National Championship. I mean if Chris really took the time to read all of our thoughts instead of tweeting with his friends, think of how much better he'd be!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2010 16:48:00 GMT -5
For those who don't understand the concept of "rabbit ears"---it's about having THIN skin--as in maybe you shouldn't be wasting time engaging with those who you don't agree with. I INVITE arguments and like to Edited people off--so it's fun to laugh at the basketball retarded who think Joe Lunardi is an "expert" or Ken Pomeroy holds the fate of a "season in his stats". So it's fun to engage, argue, and fight with that mentality. Chris Wright is a player I like--but he needs to grow up and realize that not everyone in life is going to like you, how you play, and they all will offer advice. As Pops said this past Summer in the "Homecoming" Zo did with Rick Reilly--you have to convince kids today that you know what you are talking about--just to be able to pass on the knowledge you have to help improve their game. So we've got an issue where Chris Wright and kids like him--listen to what a bunch of fans say about their game--and engage in that and follow it? It's pathetic. The only people who should worry about message boards are the fans because if you are a coach/player/parent you better realize that there will always be CRITICISM--fair/unfair. Thing is--if you are a player/coach--you can CONTROL the outcome--fans can't. So prove them wrong if you don't like what they are saying. Just think it's ridiculous that a player who had a horrific 1st Half of a game--and Chris flat out SUCKED against WVU--until game was out of reach, and then he had a nice 2nd Half on offensive end and everyone talks about "heart" he showed. He's almost to his SR year and you know what--"heart" isn't playing like dog feces for one half-and not giving your all on defensive end of court--as he and Jason Clark have done all year--and they should be criticized because their performance isn't matching their potential/ability. When that happens--most fans who care--are going to want to see them improve--but again--you can take criticism as "hatred" or you can take it as "people care and want to see you get better/improve"--either way--it should matter a helluva lot more what his COACH thinks then what people on Twitter, Facebook, and message boards do--but obviously he's in category that he/his inner circle like to read about themselves/teammates--which is fine--but to acknowledge it--not the best thing imo. He's got too much talent to waste his career never figuring out how to lead a team--and how to play championship caliber basketball--which he's still light years away from doing. Credit him for trying to change--but it's time to change and be better-or just realize--he'll get blasted on all forums because people judge you on winning/not stats. Fair/Unfair. RDF - if telling someone they played like dog feces and did not give his all on defense is your way of saying that you "care" and just "want to see you get better and improve", I am awfully glad I'm not your wife or kids!
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2010 17:21:29 GMT -5
For those who don't understand the concept of "rabbit ears"---it's about having THIN skin--as in maybe you shouldn't be wasting time engaging with those who you don't agree with. I INVITE arguments and like to Edited people off--so it's fun to laugh at the basketball retarded who think Joe Lunardi is an "expert" or Ken Pomeroy holds the fate of a "season in his stats". So it's fun to engage, argue, and fight with that mentality. I think this paragraph speaks for itself
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