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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 2, 2010 12:14:53 GMT -5
Take him off the ball. He should be a spot up shooter and a mid ranger. He is not athletic enough to finish at the rim above bigger players. If JTIII would have recruited a true point guard in Clark's class we would be fine right now. Without depth you have limited options. You can never go in to a season with only 5 players you are comfy in.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 2, 2010 12:34:56 GMT -5
OK, let me get this straight after a game in which Chris goes for 21 pts, 6 boards, 7 assists to just 2 TOs we are having this discussion? We are focusing on one freaking TO in the span of a 40 minute game as evidence that he is not playing well. We are also talking about the only guy on the floor that plays hard the whole game. Some of you are pathetic and will use any excuse to bash these players. Not that I am looking for one, but if you want a scapegoat how about the other guard that had 6 TOs and has played zero defense the last month! NC, did you watch the game? Midway through the 2nd half, when we were down by 20+, chris was something like 2-10 from the floor for 4 points. Piling up stats in what was essentially garbage time does not a great game make. This is entirely off-base. Chris had a bad first half plus some, but he wasn't just "piling up stats", he was playing his butt off trying to make something happen in the second half. He could easily have just slacked off and mailed it in, with Austin's illness as a convenient excuse, but he didn't. I am critical of Chris when he plays poorly, but it isn't fair to slam him for the last 15 minutes last night.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 2, 2010 13:08:32 GMT -5
this thread it really really stupid. period. just wondering if chris isnt a bid east caliber point guard then who fits those qualifications? the issue of an ill-advised drive being a TO is just ridiculous, just because so many good players do take ill-advised drives all the time and are still able to finish, its not chris' fault if a couple do. im sure you all remember a bunch of his ill-advised drives that have gone in. and lurkerhoya that is definitely one of the dumbest posts i have ever seen. you cant just hypothetically change a player's stat line so much, it simply cannot be the base of an argument, ever, especially without giving specific examples.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 2, 2010 13:22:36 GMT -5
It's getting to the point where if we lose, there's a Chris Wright thread, regardless of how he plays.
That said, I'd love for him to develop a floater or jump stop. He's simply not big enough to always finish at the hoop and it'd improve his ability inside.
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Post by the_way on Mar 2, 2010 13:26:57 GMT -5
Chris Wright is the new DaJuan Summers.
Before DaJuan it was Brandon Bowman.
Somebody has to take the blame after every loss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2010 13:42:13 GMT -5
It's getting to the point where if we lose, there's a Chris Wright thread, regardless of how he plays. That said, I'd love for him to develop a floater or jump stop. He's simply not big enough to always finish at the hoop and it'd improve his ability inside. He did try one or two floaters from the lane last night (if I remember correctly - I was half-heartedly watching). I think one went in and one didn't - but either way, it's a better shot for him from there than driving all the way to the hoop - he gets lost in the trees too much. He pulled up for one floater in the Duke game that I remember as well, and it was the perfect decision under the circumstances. In fact, that's one thing I LOVE about Austin - he anticipates that really well. If he's got an opening to the hoop, he'll take it all the way in. If not, he's entirely comfortable pulling up from mid-range. It's the kind of thing that could KILL Syracuse if Chris gets really comfortable doing it. Dribble into the middle of the zone, and pop the 12-15 footer. Right now we have one kid who's good enough to penetrate to that spot regularly, and one kid who could knock down that shot all day. Problem is, they're not the same kid.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 2, 2010 13:52:37 GMT -5
this thread it really really stupid. period. just wondering if chris isnt a bid east caliber point guard then who fits those qualifications? the issue of an ill-advised drive being a TO is just ridiculous, just because so many good players do take ill-advised drives all the time and are still able to finish, its not chris' fault if a couple do. im sure you all remember a bunch of his ill-advised drives that have gone in. and lurkerhoya that is definitely one of the dumbest posts i have ever seen. you cant just hypothetically change a player's stat line so much, it simply cannot be the base of an argument, ever, especially without giving specific examples. I mean, what exactly is hypothetical? It's not a knock on Chris, or some knowledge only I have, to say that he makes ill-advised drives to the basket. He puts his head down, charges to the lane, and then runs into bigs and often doesnt get the ball above the height of the net. It's not hypothetical to say that of the 3 or so times he did that last night, if he was better at drawing contact what his stat line would have potentially looked like. You want specific examples? Tell me the last time Chris made a layup on dribble penetration. Tell me the last time he shot over 50% for a game on those shots. This isn't slamming Chris, but merely pointing out that he has limitations that he can work on to take his game to the next level. And I think the dumbest post I have ever seen is you claiming that 'so many good players take ill-advised drives all the time and are still able to finish.' THOSE ARE NOT ILL-ADVISED DRIVES THEN! If you can finish, you can take it to the rack. If you cannot, you shouldn't. When Edgar Sosa ( whether he qualifies as a good player is debateable) drives to the hoop, he's doing it because he knows he can finish or draw contact. Scottie Reynolds drives and finishes or draws contact. We hate these guys, but the simple fact is they know how to do what they do. I don't think even Chris' biggest fans on here would claim that his finishing ability is one of his strengths.
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Post by sweetness on Mar 2, 2010 14:03:35 GMT -5
I agree with the idea that Chris would be well served developing/using a floater. He flashed it a bit last night and it was good to see. At this level you have to have this in your reportoire -- and for him it would be deadly because he has the quickness to get the step you need, just not the size to finish. On a side note, Vee has a nice floater, which is a good sign.
Overall we get in trouble when Chris tries to take over the game by himself (see 1st half run last night). I understand his desire at times to put the team on his back, but it shouldn't be his role for a variety of reasons.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 2, 2010 14:05:53 GMT -5
As NC Hoya said, some of you guys are really, really pathetic.
Last week when Chris played a great floor game against Louisville, some of you same guys on this very thread bashed him for not shooting, not going to the basket, or "not taking chances".
The kid goes hard trying to get us back in the game last night, shows more heart than anyone on this team, and you bash him for "ill advised shots".
Can't have it both ways hypocrites. Jeez, I hope to goodness that this team gets its mojo back and makes a run. I want to see how many of you guys will make a beeline back to the bandwagon.
Chris, coming from me, there's not a point guard in this country I want on this team other than you. Keep playing hard, homie. The results will come
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Mar 2, 2010 14:57:04 GMT -5
Daytona why are you always name calling? If you cant be civil you might have to leave this board for good.
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 2, 2010 15:21:51 GMT -5
Can anybody tell me why when Chris gets into the lane with his million dollar move and ten cent shot why he can never draw the foul? It seems like he gets mugged 90% of the time and rarely gets a foul awarded to him.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 2, 2010 15:24:11 GMT -5
Can anybody tell me why when Chris gets into the lane with his million dollar move and ten cent shot why he can never draw the foul? It seems like he gets mugged 90% of the time and rarely gets a foul awarded to him. Hes always usually off-balance with his shot even before he gets fouled. Thus the refs have a hard time awarding him shots b/c he had no real chance at making the shot. Someone sign Chris up for some acting classes!!!
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Post by chep3 on Mar 2, 2010 15:25:41 GMT -5
It's getting to the point where if we lose, there's a Chris Wright thread, regardless of how he plays. That said, I'd love for him to develop a floater or jump stop. He's simply not big enough to always finish at the hoop and it'd improve his ability inside. It doesn't always take a loss--see Louisville. But I agree with you on the floater. Maybe Vee can teach him over the summer. If Chris added some more to his midrange game, he'd be a much tougher cover.
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Post by cnyhoya on Mar 2, 2010 15:38:09 GMT -5
I expect with more depth and hopefully one more solid contributing recruit we'll be more prepared not to taper off next year. Hope so. But I am not so sure that poor play down the stretch results from lack of depth. There is not one Hoya that ranks in the top ten in the Big East in minutes played per game. Seven deep can be enough. The key is to gel and improve as the season goes on. We should be better defensively and much more cohesive overall in February as opposed to December and January. Instead, it seems to be the opposite now.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 2, 2010 15:41:05 GMT -5
I don't think the issue is the number of minutes our top players play. It's the quality of the minutes we're getting from the other players.
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Post by cnyhoya on Mar 2, 2010 16:23:41 GMT -5
True. I think if Hollis, Jason, and (gulp) Henry were steadily growing as players and stepping up their game as the season winds down, we would be in great shape. At this point anyway, we are not seeing that improvement and development that I had expected.
Running out of time.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 2, 2010 16:29:19 GMT -5
As NC Hoya said, some of you guys are really, really pathetic. Last week when Chris played a great floor game against Louisville, some of you same guys on this very thread bashed him for not shooting, not going to the basket, or "not taking chances". The kid goes hard trying to get us back in the game last night, shows more heart than anyone on this team, and you bash him for "ill advised shots". Can't have it both ways hypocrites. Jeez, I hope to goodness that this team gets its mojo back and makes a run. I want to see how many of you guys will make a beeline back to the bandwagon. Chris, coming from me, there's not a point guard in this country I want on this team other than you. Keep playing hard, homie. The results will come .......................
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Post by momzer on Mar 2, 2010 17:32:20 GMT -5
My god Daytona- Even constructive criticism is no longer allowed. Anyone watching and knowing anything about BB sees that CW is going in amongst the trees, without any leverage and without knowing what he's going to do when he gets there. The idea of what he should do to become better only means that he has the ability to do so. Don't take it so personally. Clearly, he needs to become a leader on this team, but jacking up 3s leaning backward is not the way, driving into traffic without an outlet, without making contact (in control) or without a makeable shot is not the way and pouting about it afterwards (twice yesterday) is certainly not the way.
A floater a la Tony Parker is the way. It is something he will need to learn if he expects to make it at the next level. The one thing that AI was always able to do, was move his body when he was in the air so that he could and would make contact with his defender. At that point, whether he made the shot or not, he at least went to the line. CW either does not have that ability (which I think he does or can learn) or has not yet learned it (which is what he should do over the summer if he wants to go amongst the trees and succeed).
However, more of the same is not going to make it work just because you want it to. Great players are learning every day. If he wants to become great and take it to the next level, enough here on this board have observed what he needs to do. We all want him to succeed. Hopefully he wants it too.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 2, 2010 17:36:53 GMT -5
it's not constructive criticism.
No matter what chris does, how he plays, what he shoot, there are people on this board that kill him for it.
It's sickening.
You have people, and I use that term very loosely, saying to take him off the ball, calling him unathletic, just really things that aren't remotely true. And as I said, there is criticism and then there is the stuff that Chris takes.
And the stuff that Chris takes on this board has long since crossed the line, especially given the fact that he's a very very good player
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Post by bmartin on Mar 2, 2010 17:58:21 GMT -5
Chris was given control of the team last year and has been managed by JTIII this year as if he has to be the floor leader and cannot share that responsibility. He sets the tone for team's performance.
Fair or not, that is the way it is.
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