Embarrassed to be a Hoya fan

[sleepy]

I know some will be excited to see another thread bashing the team, but unfortunately this is not the case. I am embarrassed to be a hoya fan, not because of how badly the team played tonight, but because of how pathetic our fans are. Yes, we played badly tonight, but we never ever ever gave up. We were on the road, with our best player in the hospital on senior night and we still battled back. Its fine to critize a team after playing so badly, but most of you are going completely overboard, and really need a reality check.
Teams aren't here to please fans and make them happy. Regardless of what many of you seem to think they aren't here for YOU. You are supposed to be there for THEM. Fans are suppossed to be here to SUPPORT their team. Not trash them because they aren't happy with their result. As long as my Hoya's haven't quit, I won't ever quit on them.
If you can' support a team through good times AND bad, go cheer for Syracuse, their #1 in the country. Maybe Duke is more to your liking.
I'm a Georgetown fan and as long as they give it their all, it doesn't matter what bonehead move they make on the court or how many freethrows they miss, I'll love and cheer for them anyway. The same is not true for a lot here.

[daytonahoya31]

Thank you, Sleepy. You're my hero

[hoyaboy1]

Gold stars for everyone!

It's too late in the season for moral victories.

[H2Oya 05]

Not only am I embarrassed to be a Hoya fan based on the way last season ended and how tonight's game went, but I am even more embarased that Hoya fans don't know the difference between "their", "there", and "they're".

[superan]

This is correct. We played well in the second half and Vee showed a ton of promise.

We were 26 points down and battled it down to 11 with quality chances to take it down to single digits. All this with our BEST AND MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE HOSPITAL.

I'm not impressed with the performance but our players did not quit.

[RockawayHoya]

Not singling you out sleepy (there are FAR worse offenders than you), but I think it's embarrassing that so many Hoya fans feel the need to start new threads just to voice an opinion. Especially after losses.

[sleepy]

Mar 1, 2010 21:17:08 GMT -5 H2Oya 05 said:

Not only am I embarrassed to be a Hoya fan based on the way last season ended and how tonight's game went, but I am even more embarased that Hoya fans don't know the difference between "their", "there", and "they're".

Strangely enough I have more important things to do then double check my posts on Hoyatalk.

[sleepy]

Mar 1, 2010 21:18:56 GMT -5 RockawayHoya said:

Not singling you out sleepy (there are FAR worse offenders than you), but I think it's embarrassing that so many Hoya fans feel the need to start new threads just to voice an opinion. Especially after losses.

I actually agree completely with this. And rarely do I ever do this. But I felt there were way to many negative posts spamming the main page that there needed to be somewhere to find a little positivity. Also this topic didn't fit in anywhere else as its not directly related to postgame.

[PopeJohn2]

i wonder what purdue fans are saying after their recent thrashing with hummel out for the season?

also, maybe change the title of the thread for those who wont bother to read your post and get the wrong idea?

[JohnnyJones]

Mar 1, 2010 21:12:05 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I know some will be excited to see another thread bashing the team, but unfortunately this is not the case. I am embarrassed to be a hoya fan, not because of how badly the team played tonight, but because of how pathetic our fans are. Yes, we played badly tonight, but we never ever ever gave up. We were on the road, with our best player in the hospital on senior night and we still battled back. Its fine to critize a team after playing so badly, but most of you are going completely overboard, and really need a reality check.
Teams aren't here to please fans and make them happy. Regardless of what many of you seem to think they aren't here for YOU. You are supposed to be there for THEM. Fans are suppossed to be here to SUPPORT their team. Not trash them because they aren't happy with their result. As long as my Hoya's haven't quit, I won't ever quit on them.
If you can' support a team through good times AND bad, go cheer for Syracuse, their #1 in the country. Maybe Duke is more to your liking.
I'm a Georgetown fan and as long as they give it their all, it doesn't matter what bonehead move they make on the court or how many freethrows they miss, I'll love and cheer for them anyway. The same is not true for a lot here.

You just don't get it. While there are certainly a handful of posters who only come on the Board after losses and start negative threads - and I suppose you could question their motives (I suspect they are very serious fans as opposed to trolls) - most of the posts tonight are from incredibly dedicated fans who are obssessed with Georgetown Basketball and who post repeatedly after wins, as well as losses (not to mention during the 7 months the team isn't even playing). People are very frustrated about the play of the team the last month and they come here to talk about it. So what if people go overboard, as long as they comply with Board rules. We've looked like crap lately, and that is hard to take after looking so good for portions of the year. I confess I am the worst about wild swings when dealing with wins and losses. After L'ville, I was on top of the world and thinking we were (back) on our way to great things. Saturday evening I thought we sucked and wondered if we would win another game. Please don't equate frustration and disappontment with the poor performance with a lack of support for the team or the players. It makes no sense and is getting really old.

[richfame]

Sleepy go to the head of the class you are the number one hoya fan of the night.

[sleepy]

Mar 1, 2010 22:24:41 GMT -5 JohnnyJones said:

Mar 1, 2010 21:12:05 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I know some will be excited to see another thread bashing the team, but unfortunately this is not the case. I am embarrassed to be a hoya fan, not because of how badly the team played tonight, but because of how pathetic our fans are. Yes, we played badly tonight, but we never ever ever gave up. We were on the road, with our best player in the hospital on senior night and we still battled back. Its fine to critize a team after playing so badly, but most of you are going completely overboard, and really need a reality check.
Teams aren't here to please fans and make them happy. Regardless of what many of you seem to think they aren't here for YOU. You are supposed to be there for THEM. Fans are suppossed to be here to SUPPORT their team. Not trash them because they aren't happy with their result. As long as my Hoya's haven't quit, I won't ever quit on them.
If you can' support a team through good times AND bad, go cheer for Syracuse, their #1 in the country. Maybe Duke is more to your liking.
I'm a Georgetown fan and as long as they give it their all, it doesn't matter what bonehead move they make on the court or how many freethrows they miss, I'll love and cheer for them anyway. The same is not true for a lot here.

You just don't get it. While there are certainly a handful of posters who only come on the Board after losses and start negative threads - and I suppose you could question their motives (I suspect they are very serious fans as opposed to trolls) - most of the posts tonight are from incredibly dedicated fans who are obssessed with Georgetown Basketball and who post repeatedly after wins, as well as losses (not to mention during the 7 months the team isn't even playing). People are very frustrated about the play of the team the last month and they come here to talk about it. So what if people go overboard, as long as they comply with Board rules. We've looked like crap lately, and that is hard to take after looking so good for portions of the year. I confess I am the worst about wild swings when dealing with wins and losses. After L'ville, I was on top of the world and thinking we were (back) on our way to great things. Saturday evening I thought we sucked and wondered if we would win another game. Please don't equate frustration and disappontment with the poor performance with a lack of support for the team or the players. It makes no sense and is getting really old.

You really don't get how venting said frustration by trashing the players who work their tails off everyday and are actually affected by the outcome of the games ISN'T supporting the players? You don't get how there are a lot of fans on here just as die-hard and obsessed that find ways to vent frustration by trashing players and going overboard? You really don't understand why people are sick of reading about the team they love/players they love being bashed by people who also supposed fans? You really don't get that?

There are ways of critizing without going overboard/bashing/throwing the baby out of the bath water. There are plenty of people here who can still strongly critize players and the team without going overboard/bashing.

[TC]

Sleepy! Sleepy! Sleepy!

<starts slow single clapping>

[hoyasaxa23]

Mar 1, 2010 21:12:05 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I know some will be excited to see another thread bashing the team, but unfortunately this is not the case. I am embarrassed to be a hoya fan, not because of how badly the team played tonight, but because of how pathetic our fans are. Yes, we played badly tonight, but we never ever ever gave up. We were on the road, with our best player in the hospital on senior night and we still battled back. Its fine to critize a team after playing so badly, but most of you are going completely overboard, and really need a reality check.
Teams aren't here to please fans and make them happy. Regardless of what many of you seem to think they aren't here for YOU. You are supposed to be there for THEM. Fans are suppossed to be here to SUPPORT their team. Not trash them because they aren't happy with their result. As long as my Hoya's haven't quit, I won't ever quit on them.
If you can' support a team through good times AND bad, go cheer for Syracuse, their #1 in the country. Maybe Duke is more to your liking.
I'm a Georgetown fan and as long as they give it their all, it doesn't matter what bonehead move they make on the court or how many freethrows they miss, I'll love and cheer for them anyway. The same is not true for a lot here.

Am I the only person who thinks the following:

Sleepy's dedication and ability to be even keeled are admirable, but at the same time indicative of problems with the psyche of the administration, team and fan base:

We don't expect to win. We all too easily accept mediocrity and ask far too little of our team. Tier 1 programs do not offer laudatory threads for cutting 25 digit leads in half just weeks before the big dance. We have the mindset of a Tier 2 program and the history/potential of a Tier 1. But we settle for so little, and by God I don't know why.

It's not enough to "not give up". Bust ass the whole damn game. Play the right way.

[sleepy]

Mar 1, 2010 23:02:34 GMT -5 hoyasaxa23 said:

Mar 1, 2010 21:12:05 GMT -5 sleepy said:

I know some will be excited to see another thread bashing the team, but unfortunately this is not the case. I am embarrassed to be a hoya fan, not because of how badly the team played tonight, but because of how pathetic our fans are. Yes, we played badly tonight, but we never ever ever gave up. We were on the road, with our best player in the hospital on senior night and we still battled back. Its fine to critize a team after playing so badly, but most of you are going completely overboard, and really need a reality check.
Teams aren't here to please fans and make them happy. Regardless of what many of you seem to think they aren't here for YOU. You are supposed to be there for THEM. Fans are suppossed to be here to SUPPORT their team. Not trash them because they aren't happy with their result. As long as my Hoya's haven't quit, I won't ever quit on them.
If you can' support a team through good times AND bad, go cheer for Syracuse, their #1 in the country. Maybe Duke is more to your liking.
I'm a Georgetown fan and as long as they give it their all, it doesn't matter what bonehead move they make on the court or how many freethrows they miss, I'll love and cheer for them anyway. The same is not true for a lot here.

Am I the only person who thinks the following:

Sleepy's dedication and ability to be even keeled are admirable, but at the same time indicative of problems with the psyche of the administration, team and fan base:

We don't expect to win. We all too easily accept mediocrity and ask far too little of our team. Tier 1 programs do not offer laudatory threads for cutting 25 digit leads in half just weeks before the big dance. We have the mindset of a Tier 2 program and the history/potential of a Tier 1. But we settle for so little, and by God I don't know why.

It's not enough to "not give up". Bust ass the whole damn game. Play the right way.

Mods- This is NOT a Georgetown fan. Read all his posts. Almost every single one is about how we are not a national school, how we should accept mediocrity, how "we don't suck has much as everyone thinks we do." He is here to flame and create fights, and is most like a Syracuse fan. Why is he NOT banned?
Please no one give him a serious response.

[michaelgrahamfan]

Absolutely correct. With Big John attitude of no prisoners started at the top.

[CAHoya07]

I will never be embarrassed to be a Hoya fan. That is all.

[HoyaFanNY]

everyone is entitled to express their opinion, within reason. just because you don't agree with what they say doesn't give you the right to lecture other people on how to be a fan. if you don't like what is written on the board, don't read it.

[Boz]

I'm just chiming in to say that I'm pretty sure there has never, ever been a 25-digit lead in the history of college basketball.

If we were ever down by such a margin and managed to cut it in half -- in the span of a single game, no less! --I would instantly nominate every member of the Georgetown Hoyas to run Congress and the White House.

I heard once that the Heavenly Host once got down by a 25-digit margin in their pick-up game with Lucifer's Blue Devils that began at the beginning of time and continues to this day. That deficit was known as "The Dark Ages." (coincidentally, the same phrase many Hoya fans use to refer to the Esherick years). They have since made up a lot of the margin, but due to scoreboard malfunctions, no one on Earth really knows who's winning right now.



As for me, I love the Hoyas and hate the haters. It's worked for me my whole life and I don't see any reason to change now.

[tjm62]

1. We obviously all have short fuses after watching the total meltdown last year. I think most Hoyas fans, even at the high points of this year, were secretly dreading that this team would meltdown again, albeit in less spectacular fashion. Now, to an extent, we are seeing it happening.

2. It's one thing to get frustrated about losing to a better team -- I think most of us would get upset, but ultimately not go too overboard. It's quite another thing to lose to a vastly inferior team, which our Hoyas have now done several times. These types of losses are usually rife with MENTAL errors, which, when they happen repeatedly, are all the more frustrating. We don't expect any player to be perfect, but aren't we allowed to get a little indignant when the same silly errors cost us game after game? Teams are supposed to improve over the course of the season, not backslide or regress tremendously.

3. I don't think the players are "lazy" or "inept" -- and would never dream of calling them such. Sometimes they do appear to play rather lackadaisically, which, as a fan, is brutal to watch.

4. I think many of us are panicked about recruiting. Of course we are. We are incredibly thin right now, and face the almost certain loss of our best player this year, and three more key pieces in 2011. If we don't replace them (and then some), we're completely screwed. I have faith that JTIII will replace them -- I think he has proved to be a fairly effective recruiter-- but in the meantime, I'll be biting my nails.

5. One of the biggest keys to recruiting, in addition to coach/program/system/whatever is WINNING GAMES. We're still riding the recruits we got after making the Final Four, after years of weaker recruiting. And though these games mean more to the players than they do to me, I have additional worries about the state of the program years and years down the line. Losing and not getting good recruits is a vicious cycle. Georgetown is already vulnerable by not being a huge state school. There are many things we cannot offer recruits, so we damn well better be able to assure them that they'll have a chance to win.

6. Who are we supposed to vent to? I have a lot of friends who are Hoyas fans, but I like Hoyatalk because it's full of people who care as much (and very often more) than I do about Hoyas Basketball, so I'll find receptive ears if I have a grudge or complaint. We obviously all want the team to win, and this happens to be a corner of the internet where we can voice whatever we're feeling between games. I don't think most of us think it will actually improve the play of the team, but I don't mind if people feel the need to vent. It's not like we'll be venting at the Verizon Center.