RPI and Tournament Resume Thread

[KHoyaNYC]

Here are the current numbers:

Record: 16-4
RPI: 3
SOS: 3
Record vs. RPI Top 50: 5-3
Quality Wins: Temple, Butler (neutral), Connecticut, Duke, @pitt
Worst Loss: @marquette [Worse RPI and profile than Old Dominion believe it or not but could argue ODU]

Projected numbers:

Record: 23-6 (not counting BE tournament)
RPI: 4
SOS: 1

Final outcome?: We're no worse than a #3 seed now and we could be a #1 if we take care of business because our computer numbers will be, barring the unexpected, fantastic.

[TBird41]

Kansas and Kentucky are both going to get #1 seeds. That leaves two for the Big East with the possibility of Michigan St. or Purdue grabbing one by winning both the Big 10 regular season and tournament championships.

That's out of the Hoyas control, but if the Big East gets two #1 seeds, it's definitely something that the Hoyas can get, but it will require something like finishing in the top 2/3 in the regular season (w/ maybe one more loss max?) and winning the BET. It's not out of the realm of possibility, I guess, but it'd take a lot of business to be taken care of. The brutality of the schedule works both in our favor and against it.

[redskins12820]

Honestly, I never really care if we are a 1, 2 or 3 seed. I just want to avoid a 4 or 5 seed because then there's a good chance you're facing off with the 1 seed in the sweet 16. Give me a 1, 2 or 3 and I'm happy.

[TBird41]

The most losses in the past 6 tournaments by a #1 seed was 6.

UNC was 27-6 in 2007, Washington was 29-6 and Duke was 27-6 in 2005

All three of them won their conference tournament.

[KHoyaNYC]

Obviously games against Villanova, Syracuse and @wvu will determine a lot as will the BET. But, in any event, right now from a pure numbers game we are right where we want to be.

[HoyaChris]

There is a pretty good chance that the Marquette loss will look better at season's end than it does now. Like us, they have played a very difficult starting Big East schedule - Nova twice, us, at Syracuse and at West Virginia. Unlike us, they are done with their tough games. Although Marquette is 4-5 in conference, Pomeroy projects them as a favorite in each of their 9 remaining games and has them finishing at 11-7 in conference which would certainly get them an NCAA bid.

[lichoya68]

STOP PLEASE!!! lets just win one at a time... by at least one... BEAT USF.... WE GOT A GAME COMING ....A REAL GAME NOW... go hoyas

[GUJook97]

Yeah, i used to think it mattered a lot to get a 2 seed over a 3, but then the Davidson debacle happened. And, i am not just talking about the loss, I am talking about the fact that we had to play in NC as our "protected spot, " which was a joke with Davidson being there. Long and short of it is that it really doesn't matter. Matchups are what matter.

For instance, in some predictions, I have seen us as a #2 with Cornell being the #10. Um, yeah, that would not be fun.

That being said, it will be interesting to track this down the stretch. If we end up the #1 SOS, that would be pretty huge on selection day, even if we have 6 or 7 losses.

[lichoya68]

cornell OUCH

[blueandgray]

Jan 31, 2010 23:50:45 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Kansas and Kentucky are both going to get #1 seeds. That leaves two for the Big East with the possibility of Michigan St. or Purdue grabbing one by winning both the Big 10 regular season and tournament championships.

That's out of the Hoyas control, but if the Big East gets two #1 seeds, it's definitely something that the Hoyas can get, but it will require something like finishing in the top 2/3 in the regular season (w/ maybe one more loss max?) and winning the BET. It's not out of the realm of possibility, I guess, but it'd take a lot of business to be taken care of. The brutality of the schedule works both in our favor and against it.

I would be surprised if the BE didn't get two #1 seeds. I don't see Purdue getting a spot with an rpi of 9 and a SOS of 31 and Michigan St is worse with an an rpi 10 and a SOS of 50. Plus, these two teams play each other at least once and maybe twice. The other possibility outside of the BE is Kansas St. and I just don't see that happening.

That leaves Syracuse, Nova, G'town and West Virginia. From the way things are looking...I don't see Syracuse slowing down much (except for when we beat their sorry asses on Feb 18th) ;D....and it should come down to a dog fight between us, nova and WV for the last #1 seed. Of these 3 remaining teams...WV has a the toughest schedule ahead having to play Nova twice, Pitt twice, at Uconn and of course against us. In my mind...that leaves Nova and G'town as the two teams with the best chance of snatching the 4th #1 seed....making this weekend's game a BIG ONE!!!!

[Filo]

Cracking the top two is going to be tough (3 losses in conference right now vs. none for Nova, one for Cuse and two for WVU) but it is doable IF the Hoyas take care of business. In terms of the toughest games left... As has been noted, Cuse has the easiest schedule. Nova has to play us, at Cuse, at Pitt and vs. WVU twice. WVU has to play Pitt twice, home vs. us, and at Nova.

[GUJook97]

I think we'd pretty much have to go 10-2 to get a #1 seed, and even that is stretching it.

[GUJook97]

Feb 1, 2010 9:30:51 GMT -5 Filo said:

Cracking the top two is going to be tough (3 losses in conference right now vs. none for Nova, one for Cuse and two for WVU) but it is doable IF the Hoyas take care of business. In terms of the toughest games left... As has been noted, Cuse has the easiest schedule. Nova has to play us, at Cuse, at Pitt and vs. WVU twice. WVU has to play Pitt twice, home vs. us, and at Nova.

Yeah, that's why I dont see the Big East getting 2 #1s. We've kind of played ourselves out of it, and I think Nova's second half is much like our first half. MSU is alredy 9-0 in the Big Ten, and will just keep rolling.

[hoyas2006]

i would rather have a #2 in the east then a #1 out west

lets handle business the rest of the way before we get to excited about it

[FrazierFanatic]

I agree that a 2 or a 3 would be great, get us a good draw and a great chance to get to, and hopefully through, the Sweet Sixteen and into the regional final. Just keep getting better, boys, and think 40 minutes at a time.

[daytonahoya31]

If we beat Syracuse and Nova, we put ourselves in position to fight for a 1 seed. Winning at West Virginia will be tough, as will winning at Louisville. Beating those two, handling business with the other teams and splitting WVU and the 'ville would put us in position where we could snatch a 1 seed with a run through the BET, since winning that would likely require beating either Cuse or Nova again.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Michigan St didn't do anything out of conference though loses to UNC(bad loss) Florida and texas. they have 1 win over Gonzaga who's completely overrated and a whole lot of nothing out of conference They still have to play @ Wisc @purdue, @ illinois and OSU and Purdue at home two more likely losses. Mich st. could lose all those games.

Mich st. has no shot at a #1 unless they do incredibly well down the stretch. I think 2 BE teams get #1 seed based on RPI/SOS/ quality wins. B10 and ACC champs get 2 seeds along with 1 other BE team and 1 B12 team. 3 seeds are another BE, another B12, a B10 and a wildcard. Pac 10 champ gets an 8 seed lol

[redskins12820]

Texas and Kansas St. both have a legit shot at a 1 seed. I think they are both more likely than Michigan State or Purdue.

[hoyas big supporter]

We beat nova and cuse and take care of business, we don't only put ourselves in a fight for a #1 seed we likely will be one.

[whatmaroon]

Feb 1, 2010 0:00:01 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

The most losses in the past 6 tournaments by a #1 seed was 6.

UNC was 27-6 in 2007, Washington was 29-6 and Duke was 27-6 in 2005

All three of them won their conference tournament.

Michigan State earned a #1 seed in 2000 with a 26-7 record.