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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 24, 2010 11:14:51 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Please use this thread to discuss the upcoming game rather than another talkboard(s). Keep your posts clean as well. Posting just to tell everyone how much you despise another school's fanbase gets tiresome after the second post and does nothing to advance the basketball discussion.
Back on topic: How are the Hoyas going to defend Wes Johnson? Jason Clark alone or are we going to see a lot of the matchup zone Monday night? I think rebounding is going to be a big key in this game.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 24, 2010 11:34:26 GMT -5
I'm waiting for ranch dressing to make another prediction of an underwhelming performance by the boys in blue and gray.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 24, 2010 11:43:03 GMT -5
Boo you're no fun. If we can't vent here, where can we vent?
I could see us using a lot of match up zone. They're a good 3pt shooting team( rautins, johnson, and triche can stroke it, but no one else on the team can). But they don't shoot them incredibly often 3PA/FGA is only 30% 218th in the country ours is 29% We'll play some man, but i'm not sure who guards Johnson, size wise hollis and benimon are closest, but not sure how well they're do. I assume Austin would get the assignment man 2 man. I suspect he can do a pretty good job. I think we use clark on rautins and take him out of the game completely.
They don't get a lot of points from the FT line, I don't know entirely if that just cause they don't draw a lot of fouls, or more likely because they're so bad at free throws. They're no deeper than we are playing a 7 man rotation for the most part. Onauku is very foul prone 4.9 FC/40. I suggest we go at him early and get him out of the way.
Boxing out is important in this game, jackson, onauku, and johnson are all good offensive rebounders.
I think henry can be very useful this game. he does well looking over the top of the zone and making good passes and he does a good job crashing the boards which can be effective against a zone. Syracuse gives up a good number of offensive rebounds. Their other main weakness is turnovers. They turn the ball over more than we do. I'd love to see us running those turnovers for quick scores as the stupid cuse trolls gape confusedly at how such a slow team could possibly scoring on them in transition.
I was worried about our 3pt% at the dome since the sight lines are so bad, but besides the game in 07 we've shot very well from 3 in the dome between 37-44% So I expect another high percentage 3pt shooting night. Just make sure we don't settle for 3s and take them in the flow of the offense. work it into the center of the zone and kick out.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 24, 2010 11:45:57 GMT -5
That's my job - to be no fun. Venting is fine, but devolving the game discussion thread into what a bunch of eejits they are on SU boards seems like overstating the obvious, don't you think?
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 24, 2010 11:56:43 GMT -5
I don't know who we put on Johnson. I guess Clark would be best for that but he gives up a lot in height 6'2'' v. 6'7''. On the other hand, JV can't guard him and its risky to put Monroe on him for foul purposes. Not to mention the need to guard Rick Jackson and Arinze Onuaku with our forwards. So yeah, I guess it comes down to Clark to guard him with Freeman switching back and forth with Rautins. I see the matchups like this for the starters
Triche - Wright Rautins - Freeman Johnson - Clark Jackson - Monroe/Vaughn Onuaku - Monroe/Vaughn
Given that is how we matchup, I just assume do your best on Johnson and shut everyone else down. He is gonna get his against us. If we can shut down the rest, we should be fine (See 2006 Duke Game, Redick had 41 in a loss).
Triche does not scare me at all.
On Edit: How about the matchup zone the entire game?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 24, 2010 12:50:56 GMT -5
Per CasualHoya's Twitter aggregator, the team traveled to Syracuse last night.
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Post by hoyaalf on Jan 24, 2010 12:57:00 GMT -5
I commend Dan for reminding us that we are here to discuss b'ball and NOT the sadly in-bred folk who make me wonder if we are not actually in the ACC.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 24, 2010 14:05:29 GMT -5
Interesting stats looking at in conference stats their 3pt% is way down. On the year they shoot 38.9% but in conference they're only shooting 31.3% Their 3 main threats Rautins, Johnson, and Triche on they year are: 41%, 44%, and 42% respectively in the big east they are: 37%, 28%, and 25% respectively. That's a crazy drop off for the last two. I guess that's what happens when you play cupcakes like UNC.
I think zone may be the way to go. just keep an eye on where rautins is.
This will come down to defense. Pitt held them to their lowest eFG% of the season and the second lowest overall offensive efficiency. Meanwhile Syracuse has only allowed over 100 efficiency 5 times all season, but 3 of those are in big east play( Pitt, ND, WV) We're the second best defensive team cuse has faced according to ken pom 1rank behind WV, but better than pitt. The 4 teams they've faced that are statistically better offensively than us( ND, WV, Cal, and Marquette) all were on the higher end of the offensively efficiency that cuse has allowed. The only statistically good offensive team they shut down was Cal when they were missing 2 players
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 24, 2010 14:27:24 GMT -5
agree key to game is stopping wes johnson he the man and agreed jason probably needs to help doit but hows about hollis hes stepping up the d and i believe hes the one that helped shut down mr. robinson from uconn yup if i remember wright go hoyas this is kinda a big game like REALLY BIG AND ITS CUSE GO HOYAS SQUEEZE THEM ORANGES PLEASE
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 24, 2010 14:34:14 GMT -5
lets face it, this game is going to be tough. i think the hoyas match up favorably with the guards. where i'm concerned is with their big bodies - jackson and onauku. monroe and especially vaughn need to stay out of foul trouble and rebound like a mother. i suspect that the hoyas may need a key contribution from bennimon or sims to win this game.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 24, 2010 14:42:25 GMT -5
Our big guys foul less than their big guys, I think we can get them into foul trouble. If we can do that we'll be in good shape, it'll make them easier to score against and defend.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 24, 2010 15:07:10 GMT -5
henry and jerrelle and hollis WILL contribute alot .... we will see .... will be tough.... but you never know..... GO HOYAS BEAT CUSE FOR JT3S 200 WIN... YUP.... then maybe the post willl do an aritlce on him..... and not just gary williams...every day !!!
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 24, 2010 15:18:34 GMT -5
Here are the keys to the game as I see it:
1. Our post defenders must limit the scoring opportunities of Onuaku and Jackson. More cleanly stated, we have to force them to take 2 free throws if they have gimmes (and prevent the "And 1" situation). If freebies turn into 0 or 1 points because of their FT shooting problems, we've done a good job. Of course, the ideal is to rebound effectively so that their missed layups/gimmes head the other way.
2. We must force an inexperienced Triche and shaky ballhandler/decision-maker in Rautins out of their comfort zones. I like the idea of picking them up early on defense if only to prevent them from collapsing their offense on us. Jardine scares me more as a Georgetown fan than Triche because of his experience and contributions in all facets of the game.
3. Defensively, the key to the game is to prevent the barrage of points that SU relies on to put opponents away. This means hustling back on defense because they love to leak out, especially with Joseph in the game.
4. I'm not opposed to a gimmick defense like a 3-2 zone or a box and 1 for stretches just to give SU something that they may not have seen and test how they'll react. In other words, we have to prevent Cuse from locking in offensively.
5. We must box out credibly and force the refs to give us the over the back calls. Cuse loves to use their length to go over the top of defensive rebounders.
6. On the offensive end, we must work inside-out in the Dome given the hideous sight lines and pressure of the game. This goes for just about everyone on the team.
7. I'm not as worried about our offense against the zone since I think we generally have good instincts, but we must adjust to what will be a slightly different zone due to Cuse's length and athleticism. The key is to be strong with the ball and to go toward the pass, which have to be crisp. Freeman has a tendency to float passes sometimes - can't have that. Vaughn also does not go well to the ball on the perimeter. That has to change since Cuse will turn that into two points on the other end.
8. And another one...JT3 must not get spooked or psyched out as he sometimes does in the Dome, where he has picked up a couple of rare technicals as GU coach.
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Post by hoya73 on Jan 24, 2010 15:33:21 GMT -5
I think defending Johnson successfully depends more on closing the passing lanes to limit his touches as much or more than what we can do when he does get the ball. I look for Jason on him for the most part to execute that defensive strategy. Freeman on Rautins.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 24, 2010 15:47:30 GMT -5
I'm not so worried about Johnson to be honest. I think we see Freeman on Johnson rather than Clark, but maybe I'm wrong there.
I also do not think that Hack-a-Onuackson is a credible strategy. In case you haven't noticed, we are not exceedingly deep inside and the last thing I'd like is for Vaughn and/or Monroe picking up 2 fouls early and having to sit for the remainder of the half.
Jackson is VASTLY improved from last year - more nimble with a greater touch around the rim. Onuaku always seems to kill us. They are the biggest, thickest bodies we will probably see all season, so this will be a challenge inside for us, to say the least.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 24, 2010 15:50:10 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Please use this thread to discuss the upcoming game rather than another talkboard(s). Keep your posts clean as well. Posting just to tell everyone how much you despise another school's fanbase gets tiresome after the second post and does nothing to advance the basketball discussion.Back on topic: How are the Hoyas going to defend Wes Johnson? Jason Clark alone or are we going to see a lot of the matchup zone Monday night? I think rebounding is going to be a big key in this game. A matchup zone coud work. And let Free and Clark get a shot at him too (Clark on the perimeter, Free inside). But if I was III I would consider putting Hollis and Jerrell on him for about ten minutes throughout the game. And heck if Jerrell is out there alongside the other two big guys without question I'd give the Hoyas the rebounding edge. Of course with Jerrell on the floor you limit the Hoyas' options on offense.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 24, 2010 15:54:04 GMT -5
Coach has only picked up one technical @ the dome in that 2007 game we got blown out in according to the ESPN box scores. So not sure what exactly you're referring to. I think we've improved as the years have gone on in attacking the zone. I agree on the point of limiting Johnson's touches, 73. I trust JTIII to figure out what will work best.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 24, 2010 16:00:34 GMT -5
Coach has only picked up one technical @ the dome in that 2007 game we got blown out in according to the ESPN box scores. So not sure what exactly you're referring to. I think we've improved as the years have gone on in attacking the zone. I agree on the point of limiting Johnson's touches, 73. I trust JTIII to figure out what will work best. Fair enough - it looks like he got rung up last year in the Verizon game, so maybe it is a Syracuse thing as opposed to a Dome thing. For whatever reason (rivalry), I have thought JT3 has been a little out of his element in the Cuse games. Can't say I blame him much given the rivalry.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 24, 2010 16:01:28 GMT -5
Here are the keys to the game as I see it: 1. Our post defenders must limit the scoring opportunities of Onuaku and Jackson. More cleanly stated, we have to force them to take 2 free throws if they have gimmes (and prevent the "And 1" situation). If freebies turn into 0 or 1 points because of their FT shooting problems, we've done a good job. Of course, the ideal is to rebound effectively so that their missed layups/gimmes head the other way. 2. We must force an inexperienced Triche and shaky ballhandler/decision-maker in Rautins out of their comfort zones. I like the idea of picking them up early on defense if only to prevent them from collapsing their offense on us. Jardine scares me more as a Georgetown fan than Triche because of his experience and contributions in all facets of the game. 3. Defensively, the key to the game is to prevent the barrage of points that SU relies on to put opponents away. This means hustling back on defense because they love to leak out, especially with Joseph in the game. 4. I'm not opposed to a gimmick defense like a 3-2 zone or a box and 1 for stretches just to give SU something that they may not have seen and test how they'll react. In other words, we have to prevent Cuse from locking in offensively. 5. We must box out credibly and force the refs to give us the over the back calls. Cuse loves to use their length to go over the top of defensive rebounders. 6. On the offensive end, we must work inside-out in the Dome given the hideous sight lines and pressure of the game. This goes for just about everyone on the team. 7. I'm not as worried about our offense against the zone since I think we generally have good instincts, but we must adjust to what will be a slightly different zone due to Cuse's length and athleticism. The key is to be strong with the ball and to go toward the pass, which have to be crisp. Freeman has a tendency to float passes sometimes - can't have that. Vaughn also does not go well to the ball on the perimeter. That has to change since Cuse will turn that into two points on the other end. 8. And another one...JT3 must not get spooked or psyched out as he sometimes does in the Dome, where he has picked up a couple of rare technicals as GU coach. 1. I'd agree with this if it's Sims or Benimon that are giving up the fouls. As others have stated, we can't have JV or GM burning fouls using this as a strategy for the whole game. 2. Agree on Triche, but Rautins from what I've seen and heard is vastly improved re: decision making. A/T ratio of 1.9/1 seems to back that up. 3. UConn and Nova both hurt us this way, and our guys have started to pick up a nasty habit of not getting back on defense after a miss or turnover. We're going to have to do a much better job of correcting this problem and consistently get back in transition D. 5. How do you intend on "forcing the ref to give us over the back calls?" Unless we had the crew that worked yesterday again (which I thought really was the first time G'town repeatedly got calls against an opponent in a long time), I'm not expecting any calls tomorrow night, but we are really going to have to limit second chance points as best we can. 7. Guys have been doing a much better job as of late taking shots when they are open rather than trying to search for better ones late in the shot clock and ending up not getting one. We must continue to do this, and this goes for guys like Hollis and Jerelle too. They cannot be timid tomorrow night.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 24, 2010 16:04:18 GMT -5
Fair points on the JV/Monroe vs. Benimon/Sims on fouls. I'm also not opposed to Thompson cheating down for fouls either. Perhaps this is more useful in an end of game situation.
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