TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 5, 2009 21:14:38 GMT -5
Think about it, if Roscoe called JTIII and that meant something why hasn't he committed yet? It just dosen't make much sense. Why prolong the process if you already called the coach to inform him of something we assume would be his college choice. Balla completely makes up a lot of his "information." He has made statements about Harrison Barnes, Rakeem Christmas, Jalen Kendrick, and Roscoe Smith. He's been wrong almost everytime. Not to mention the fact that he has switched up his statements whenever he is proven incorrect. He said Barnes to Duke. He was adamant that we didn't have a shot at Christmas and everone should just forget about it, we are now in his top 5. He's insuated that Smith called JTIII right before Kendrick and Mitchell committed, but several reliable sources have said it never happened. He has a recent post on his site where he says "Roscoe = Hoya", and then says something about have putting ink on paper. Ohh, unless Duke happens to steal him away. That statement right there sums up how ridiculous the guy is. He'll say a guy is committing soon and then in the same breath say "unless someone gets him to committ first". He had called Roscoe to Uconn months ago, and now he has picked both Duke and G-Town depending on the week. For some reason there are a legion of nerds that hang on his every word and sware by his fiction as if he has ever made a major prediction of any consequence. You left out the part where Balla said that DaShonte Riley had sent in his letter of intent
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 5, 2009 21:16:10 GMT -5
1) I think roscoe wants to draw out this recruitment a little bit and soak up the attention. I don't blame him. It's nice to have your time in the sun. Why not milk it. He has stated in interviews in the past that he's pretty much made up his mind. Yet he hasn't committed yet.
2) I don't have the money to pay for hoya report. Balla's info is free and has proved reliable.
3) Going through each point. The call: Balla said that he called he made no mention of what he said in the call. Barnes: Everyone thought barnes was going to duke. I don't really blame him for that. Christmas: He had always said that he liked Georgetown's chances if he stayed away from the pimps and money. It seems he's done that so far. But there's a lot of time left in that recruitment. Kendrick: I don't think he ever made any declarative statements about kendrick that I can recall.
THE MAIN POINT IS RECRUITING IS A RAPIDLY CHANGING SITUATION. THEY'RE 17 YEAR OLD KIDS. THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND ALL THE TIME. THINGS CAN BE TRUE WHEN THEY'RE SAID AND BE WRONG THAT DAY OR EVEN LATER THE SAME DAY. I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO ATTACK SOMEONE. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY DON'T READ HIS BOARD.
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Post by othello on Dec 5, 2009 21:44:32 GMT -5
"Attacking Balla", lol. Are you serious? This the same guy who put up a welcome page on his board where he ripped every poster on Hoyatalk and HoyaReport he dosen't like. "F" this person and that person.
You're right, everyone had Barnes to Duke, that is the point! He just repeated what others had said but didn't never mentioned the fact that he was wrong, he just started bashing Duke and their players.
With Christmas, he actually said fans should get over Christmas, that it wasn't going to happen. He only started changing his story later to say "if he stays away from the pimps, etc.". That's BS, anyone can say that. That is the point, he plays both sides of the fence. He makes general statements that allow him to be right 50% of the time and somehow he's still wrong.
Why mention Roscoe calling JTIII, then say it was before Kendrick committed if there was nothing to it?? He also made statements like "don't celebrate yet", and "Roscoe=Hoya", but then says "I called Roscoe for Uconn since the summer".
I know not everyone wants to pay for their recruiting info but FREE dosen't mean valuable.
I wouldn't have a problem with Balla is he wasn't so arrogant about providing absolutely very little accurate inside info. He'll delete or edit your post if you disagree, call out posters who challenge him and never admits when he is absolutely wrong about something.
But other than that he's great!!!
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 5, 2009 22:21:58 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Confine the discussion to the particular recruit the thread is about, NOT about various internet posters and what you think of them. Further such posts risk being deleted. If there are questions about this, PM a moderator.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Dec 5, 2009 23:37:34 GMT -5
Balla said Roscoe called before Kendrick committed to Memphis. He said Roscoe just called III one day, then three days later Kendrick committed early. Take everything you hear about recruiting with a grain of salt, no matter who its from even the recruit himself, because peoples minds change in a mil-a-second.
Also, we will see what happens with Roscoe in the Spring, until then lets just worry about this team.
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Post by chep3 on Dec 6, 2009 0:21:53 GMT -5
Well then othello, my question is are you saying balla is wrong about the phone call or about his conclusion that Roscoe will verbal to us? Or are you taking no position on the 2nd conclusion? I couldn't care less about whether the phone call happens or who has the best history on recruiting info. I'm only concerned with whether or not we get the player.
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Post by RDF on Dec 6, 2009 0:31:56 GMT -5
It is a free country. If people do not like the information from another site, then they just should not visit the other site. The rest of us love the info, and are very happy. It is called common sense. Now back to Roscoe. Roscoe had a good game in the festival in Kentucky Saturday night. 18 pts, 12 boards, and about 4 blocked shots in an Oak Hill win.
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Post by othello on Dec 6, 2009 11:02:46 GMT -5
I'll let it go, wouldn't want to get deleted. How dare we get off topic on this board. Lets just talk about how many points and rebounds he had on Saturday night.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 6, 2009 11:34:07 GMT -5
Duke's started evaluating a new 2010 wing TaShawn Mabry. Seems like that says something about how confident they feel.
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Post by IDenj on Dec 6, 2009 12:54:53 GMT -5
roscoe may or may not be a hoya one day. posters are right, decisions can change in a matter of moments. when you make predictions or post info about a player cool. but when you make it a point to be ignorant and belligerent towards others, you lose your cred.
roscoe did not make a phone call to jt3 when bulla said he did. proven fact.
would like to see roscoe and hollis lineup together one day.
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 6, 2009 12:56:34 GMT -5
roscoe did not make a phone call to jt3 when bulla said he did. proven fact. Proof please.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Dec 6, 2009 13:09:11 GMT -5
ron bailey.
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Post by guru on Dec 6, 2009 13:37:01 GMT -5
And ron bailey is more credible than balla...how, exactly? Because he charges for his information? If you don't like a certain board, don't read it. Posting constantly on this board about other boards is positively pope-esque. But if that's how you want to waste your time, feel free I guess.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Dec 6, 2009 13:54:23 GMT -5
ron's info is more credible because he uses quotes from those involved. he has access to those within the program. now guru if he was posting bs, how long would he have access to these folks? how long would he have a press pass and be accredited by the georgetown media department?
ron has quotes from roscoe and his father. he speaks with them directly. does the other site?
by the way i am not constantly posting on this board. until now i hadn't even been on this board since the summer.
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Post by guru on Dec 6, 2009 14:14:49 GMT -5
ron's info is more credible because he uses quotes from those involved. he has access to those within the program. now guru if he was posting bs, how long would he have access to these folks? how long would he have a press pass and be accredited by the georgetown media department? ron has quotes from roscoe and his father. he speaks with them directly. does the other site? by the way i am not constantly posting on this board. until now i hadn't even been on this board since the summer. I wasn't addressing you specifically, just a general comment. By the way, a ham sandwich could get a press pass. That is certainly not a standard by which to judge. That said, I'm sure ron bailey runs a good site - I just don't feel like paying for it. And I don't see the point of coming to this board to trash someone from another board. Who really cares? Roscoe will sign where he signs.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Dec 6, 2009 14:33:51 GMT -5
maybe anyone can get a pass. spread lies and bs and based on my experience with a pro organization you won't keep it for long.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 6, 2009 14:41:34 GMT -5
ron's info is more credible because he uses quotes from those involved. he has access to those within the program. now guru if he was posting bs, how long would he have access to these folks? how long would he have a press pass and be accredited by the georgetown media department? ron has quotes from roscoe and his father. he speaks with them directly. does the other site? Timeout. Ron has been wrong too. There are times in which his "sources" or players themselves have told him that they have gotten offers from Gtown, players whom are barely on anyone's radar, and yet these same players don't end up at Gtown. They may end up at someplace like ODU or VCU. You're telling me that those same players turned down a chance to go to Gtown (after being offered) so they could go play for a mid-major program which just happen to be at schools which are not as respected academically as Gtown? Really? I can also name examples in which Ron wasn't feeling Gtown's chances about getting a recruit because of what he had heard or his gut feeling only for that recruit to commit to Gtown soon after. But I'm not going to name names because this isn't about bashing Ron. The cold hard truth is that sometimes people get it wrong, sometimes their sources are wrong, sometimes their sources are lying in order to feel self-important, sometimes recruits and parents change their minds and sometimes recruits and parents aren't upfront with the media based upon agreements they've already made with a coach that they want to keep secret. All of this stuff happens. I didn't recall Ron saying that Roscoe never called III, just that Roscoe never committed to III and Gtown ( he appears to be right about this). Now if Ron did say a call was never made around this debated time then maybe he's correct. And maybe he's wrong. His info could be less reliable or more reliable. He doesn't know for sure and neither do we. And to Ron's credit I don't think he has ever claimed he has inside sources within the Gtown program. The Gtown folks are typically not that trusting of people in the media and Ron is now a member of the media. And by the way, enj, Ron isn't exactly having a bunch of sitdowns with III so I'm not sure if there is any other access they can reasonably take away from him if he went out of line by sharing conversations that weren't meant to be shared. Will GU take away his press credentials? Only if Ron did something that was way out of line because even before the collapse of newspapers I felt III realized it would be best if there were more media sources covering his program. I believe Ron claims to have numerous sources who have inside information about basketball teams, players and recruits in the DC area. And based upon all the work Ron does I would not doubt that in the least. And as for the quotes well certainly ron nor Balla can provide quotes from Gtown coaches regarding a potential recruit. That would be a violation. And certainly neither can provide many quotes from their inside sources without being worried over giving away identities of their sources. The only folks that tend to be quoted from time to time are the players themselves and their parents/guardians/coaches. And as I pointed out already those individuals will often give people misleading information, deny any action or leave out important nuggets of truth simply to throw the media, fans, etc off their trail. I understand why there are folks here who are mad at Balla. I know his style and some of his comments have rubbed people the wrong way. And I know Balla's recent results in terms of predictions haven't exactly been on target. But he has his sources too. Its funny when Ron and Balla may suggest that the information of other folk (without mentioning who they are referring to...but we know) is wrong when the truth is no one is 100% right. But why argue about those two good gentlemen's content on a message board they have absolutely nothing to do with? We are the ones who come across as childish and petty when we do that. So as wise man Dan said lets drop it altogether. And lets hope for the best when it comes to Roscoe.
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Post by IDenj on Dec 6, 2009 14:49:28 GMT -5
you are right mci. nobody has all the info and sometimes that info can change at a moments notice. yet ron has never ripped into other insiders because he is trying to make himself look good.
and yes ron did say the roscoe call did not take place.
we are all hoya fans and would love to see roscoe become a hoya. some just have more respect than others.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 6, 2009 18:26:58 GMT -5
Lock it up.
Seriously, can you people not let a single Roscoe Smith thread be about Roscoe? Take your personal junk somewhere else.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 6, 2009 18:27:06 GMT -5
It looks like we're going for Roscoe Part Trois.
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