sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Nov 28, 2009 19:55:40 GMT -5
Considering the source sixer i'll take that as a positive response. ...You really should check your sarcasm meter however!!!!!!
|
|
SirSaxa
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 747
|
Post by SirSaxa on Nov 28, 2009 20:42:20 GMT -5
Reading the box score, i noticed something rather remarkable.
Hollis, Julian, Vee, Nikita and Stephen Stepka took a combined 15 shots in the game -- and made every one! Including 7 Threes!
That is astounding.
|
|
mrsixer123
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,283
|
Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 28, 2009 21:11:43 GMT -5
We finally treated a cupcake like a cupcake today..................At least the guys took the ball to the basket today which created good, in rhythm, perimeter shots instead of flat footed ones ------------------------------
deleted - game commentary please
|
|
ahoya2
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 135
|
Post by ahoya2 on Nov 28, 2009 21:11:53 GMT -5
Greg did have at least 5 TOs. All sloppy. I am surprised he only had five. Hollis and Vee both looked good but Vee only played in garbage time. Key to our success this year is the progress of Vaughan and he again played tough. He is arguable the most improved player on the team( he or Clark). Sims was totally lost again. Forget his highlight clips of a few blocks and two good passes. He can't guard anybody and had terrible hands. Good ball movement the whole game.
|
|
ahoya2
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 135
|
Post by ahoya2 on Nov 28, 2009 21:14:04 GMT -5
Excuse me. Did we see the same game? Sims will never be a plus unless he dramatically improves over the course of the year but it is hard to see how he will earn the PT time to improve.
|
|
hoyainspirit
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
Posts: 8,394
|
Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 28, 2009 21:43:20 GMT -5
For those that care about such things, every player who used more than 20% of the possessions when he was on the court had an offensive rating of greater than 120. That is truly outstanding. From hoyaprospectus.blogspot.com/
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,427
|
Post by MCIGuy on Nov 28, 2009 22:38:58 GMT -5
Excuse me. Did we see the same game? Sims will never be a plus unless he dramatically improves over the course of the year but it is hard to see how he will earn the PT time to improve. He's going to get that playing time whether you like it or not.
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,427
|
Post by MCIGuy on Nov 28, 2009 22:40:30 GMT -5
For those that care about such things, every player who used more than 20% of the possessions when he was on the court had an offensive rating of greater than 120. That is truly outstanding. From hoyaprospectus.blogspot.com/Do those stats truly mean anything of importance? I'm being serious when I ask this.
|
|
hoyaalf
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
I like what your doing very much. Why squirrel hate me?
Posts: 688
|
Post by hoyaalf on Nov 28, 2009 22:57:23 GMT -5
Whatever it is, it sounds lke efficiency.
The bench was overwhelmingly efficient.
Playing time is going to be interesting. I hope it gets shared around appropriately.
All can contribute. I'm thinking of waves of subs coming off the bench to run the fannys off of everyone late in the season..
|
|
tashoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,350
|
Post by tashoya on Nov 28, 2009 23:08:08 GMT -5
Greg did have at least 5 TOs. All sloppy. I am surprised he only had five. Hollis and Vee both looked good but Vee only played in garbage time. Key to our success this year is the progress of Vaughan and he again played tough. He is arguable the most improved player on the team( he or Clark). Sims was totally lost again. Forget his highlight clips of a few blocks and two good passes. He can't guard anybody and had terrible hands. Good ball movement the whole game. Nope to all but the Hollis and Vee part. JC has made much more progress than JV. Not even remotely close. JV has improved, yes. Still, not even remotely the same zip code. Hollis is more important to us than JV. We've lacked an outside shooter. Now we have JC and, hopefully, Hollis. Add to that Free finding his midrange game again and poof! Greg has a little room to work. Henry looked better. He was just too exuberant on the first few reps. Then he started picking up his man on D which is exactly what we need from him. Julian just needs to continue boxing out and spend a few tireless weeks at the charity stripe.
|
|
FewFAC
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,032
|
Post by FewFAC on Nov 28, 2009 23:31:00 GMT -5
Meh. Lafayette.
|
|
|
Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 28, 2009 23:50:54 GMT -5
Reading the box score, i noticed something rather remarkable. Hollis, Julian, Vee, Nikita and Stephen Stepka took a combined 15 shots in the game -- and made every one! Including 7 Threes! That is astounding. This, of course, excludes Julian's free throws!
|
|
bmartin
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,459
|
Post by bmartin on Nov 28, 2009 23:58:33 GMT -5
Clark was great. Thompson was great. Freeman was very good. Monroe defended and rebounded very well. He is much more dangerous on offense at the elbow or foul line or the baseline but not so much on the wing or in the corner. A couple of his turnovers were strips by the doubling defender while he was trying to turn an 8-foot shot into a 4-foot shot. Vaughn was effective but we should be able to score on Lafayette in the low post so we still don't know if his moves are Big East ready. It is curious that Wright can't seem to find his jump shot. He pushed the tempo well today and had several great finishes on drives, but he also took a few drives into dead ends. Fortunately, Greg followed up two of those with put backs. Nikita, Sims, and Vee showed enough to deserve some minutes to rest the other guys, but the top 6 players will determine the success of this team.
|
|
ahoya2
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 135
|
Post by ahoya2 on Nov 29, 2009 7:42:57 GMT -5
I also was impressed with Vee. He was quick, controlled, played good D and handled the ball well. Team seems to have good chemistry. Even the garbage guys stayed with the system. Pretty impressive.
|
|
theexorcist
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,506
|
Post by theexorcist on Nov 29, 2009 9:37:35 GMT -5
Best play of the game? Three minutes left, first half. Wright has the ball, drives past three defenders, lays the ball up. It's missed, Monroe gets the rebound, and follows. Two points, Hoyas.
One of the people next to me said that III should show this play ten thousand times at the next practice and that, had it gone in, the season would have gone to hell.
|
|
SirSaxa
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 747
|
Post by SirSaxa on Nov 29, 2009 9:50:53 GMT -5
Nikita, Sims, and Vee showed enough to deserve some minutes to rest the other guys, but the top 6 players will determine the success of this team. Largely agree Bmartin, with the possible exception of Vee. We have not yet seen enough to know if he can make a significant contribution this year. I guess I should add that I HOPE Sims can make enough progress this year to help out. But neither of those points change your suggestion that the 6 man rotation is the key to our season -- and 6 guys are enough.
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,791
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 29, 2009 11:08:14 GMT -5
For those that care about such things, every player who used more than 20% of the possessions when he was on the court had an offensive rating of greater than 120. That is truly outstanding. From hoyaprospectus.blogspot.com/Do those stats truly mean anything of importance? I'm being serious when I ask this. Yes. There's about a thousand ways to take your question, but I'm going to keep it focused and assume your question was about these statistics specifically. Usage/Poss % is the % of possessions a player used while on the floor. It's not perfect, but you "use" a possession when you end one or help end one. Every possession ends with either a made shot, a missed shot rebounded by the defense or a turnover. So this measures how many shots, turnovers, assists, factoring in O rebounding and that sort of thing for each player. It essentially tells you how important a player is to an offense -- who is driving the offense from a usage perspective. Offensive Rating is a measure of offensive efficiency. It's stated on a per 100 possession basis -- basically the number of points a team scores per 100 possessions. For a team, because two teams in a single game have the same number of possessions, it's a measure of how good the offense is. It measures better than PPG, which ignores pace, for example. For an individual, like I said, it's a measure of efficiency. 100 is about average for an NCAA team (or 1 point per possession used). To score at 120 means you have a great offense, and each player at that level contributes to the team being at that level. For individual players, they are best used together. For example, in your debate on Wallace, the stats basically point out that his O Rating was very high for a guard (efficient!) but he never had a high usage, which means as an offensive player, he was extremely valuable but didn't really create for himself or others. A team of five Wallaces wouldn't be that great, but he's a great guy to have on a team. In short, the above commentary is that the players who used the most shots and possessions were highly efficient -- we had no one who was volume shooting or taking more possessions than they should have. The stats aren't meant to be predictive when you look at only one game. One a single game basis, they are more informative to understanding who took possessions and how well they really did relative to people's perceptions/the normal box score. For example, people constantly complain about Monroe's touches, but the guy has consistently been around 30% usage this year, which is Harangody territory. He just passes more than Luke and the Hoyas play at a slower pace. He's also committed a lot of turnovers lately -- if he can turn those into shots or assists, suddenly he'll look as involved as he is.
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,427
|
Post by MCIGuy on Nov 29, 2009 12:35:32 GMT -5
Yes. There's about a thousand ways to take your question, but I'm going to keep it focused and assume your question was about these statistics specifically. Usage/Poss % is the % of possessions a player used while on the floor. It's not perfect, but you "use" a possession when you end one or help end one. Every possession ends with either a made shot, a missed shot rebounded by the defense or a turnover. So this measures how many shots, turnovers, assists, factoring in O rebounding and that sort of thing for each player. Okay. Interesting. Thanks for breaking it down but I do have one more question.... How does the data indicate if a player (Wallace or otherwise) creates for himself? What should I be looking for?
|
|
|
Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 29, 2009 12:58:12 GMT -5
Best play of the game? Three minutes left, first half. Wright has the ball, drives past three defenders, lays the ball up. It's missed, Monroe gets the rebound, and follows. Two points, Hoyas. One of the people next to me said that III should show this play ten thousand times at the next practice and that, had it gone in, the season would have gone to hell. I had to think about this for a minute, but it totally makes sense. I remember thinking pretty much the same thing at the time, for both reasons.
|
|
lichoya68
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
Posts: 17,440
|
Post by lichoya68 on Nov 29, 2009 13:47:04 GMT -5
I HAVE THREE BRIEF THOUGHTS one coach can coach ok?? two we can play and play hard.. ok?? and lastly i told you hollis would be pretty good this summer ok??? four for four from threeNOTHING BUT NET AND six for six aint too0ooo bad??ok?? go hoyas keep it up play hard TRUST few rebbies alot better fouls shooting... and you know band of brothers you had FUN out there NOW if only henry can get to be much more meaner soon before the big east no before nyc and butler NEED HENRY to think hes playing vs. jeff allen adn brendan haywood and jeff and michael beasley IF HE IMAGINES THAT we could be REALLY REALLY GOOOD YUP go hoyas go henry you have just begun to fite yup NOT BAD GUYS NOT BAD ;D ;D ;D ;D
|
|