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Post by kchoya on Nov 30, 2009 13:53:34 GMT -5
What is the great mystery? His Swedish wife gave him the bitchslapping Phil, Davis, Sergio, Ernie, et al can't. At least Phil has beat him coming down the stretch a couple of times.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 30, 2009 14:10:07 GMT -5
Tigers reputation is the only thing keeping this story from going sideways on him. I agree with the sentiment that if this was any other athlete, the media would have already convicted him.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 30, 2009 14:16:50 GMT -5
Tigers reputation is the only thing keeping this story from going sideways on him. I agree with the sentiment that if this was any other athlete, the media would have already convicted him. I see if completely differently Cambridge. What would the media be convicting him of? Poor driving? (in a car, not on the course!) In this case, it doesn't appear that Tiger was the one who did anything wrong -- unless you believe the indirectly related activities mentioned in the Nat. Enq. Seems to me the press IS all over this situation. But Tiger's "transgression" seems to be protecting his wife's reputation. Not quite sure how the media or anyone else can "convict" someone for that.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 30, 2009 14:52:42 GMT -5
The police/media are certainly far more curious about this case than the time Bill Clinton "fell down the stairs" at Greg Norman's beach house. Alas, we had less ESPN and no TMZ back then!
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Post by hifigator on Nov 30, 2009 15:06:17 GMT -5
Sir, I think Cambridge is just saying that there might be more interest in digging up the real story -- alcohol involved, some retaliation for his indiscretions etc ... -- if it were someone else. Tiger's image has been so relatively clean that there is a little more reason to believe what would seem on the surface to be somewhat absurd. Think of it this way: how believable would this story be if it happened to be Jason Williams for example -- either of them, NOT Jay Williams.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 30, 2009 15:13:00 GMT -5
Sir, I think Cambridge is just saying that there might be more interest in digging up the real story -- alcohol involved, some retaliation for his indiscretions etc ... -- if it were someone else. Tiger's image has been so relatively clean that there is a little more reason to believe what would seem on the surface to be somewhat absurd. Think of it this way: how believable would this story be if it happened to be Jason Williams for example -- either of them, NOT Jay Williams. I understand all of that HiFi. But the media IS all over this story. And not just the sports media either.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 30, 2009 15:36:56 GMT -5
Sir, I think Cambridge is just saying that there might be more interest in digging up the real story -- alcohol involved, some retaliation for his indiscretions etc ... -- if it were someone else. Tiger's image has been so relatively clean that there is a little more reason to believe what would seem on the surface to be somewhat absurd. Think of it this way: how believable would this story be if it happened to be Jason Williams for example -- either of them, NOT Jay Williams. I understand all of that HiFi. But the media IS all over this story. And not just the sports media either. I understand that the story is "big news," what I haven't seen/heard/read are the never ending rumors/insinuations of wrong doing that would likely accompany the same story if it involved Williams for example. That's all I'm saying. I'm sure they are out there, but from the three or so hours that I have heard of sportstalk radio yesterday and today and from what little bit of "news" our mullet wrapper claims to have, not much is being said. Such stories are seemingly relegated to the National Enquirers of the world for the time being. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. That's just an observation.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 30, 2009 15:37:59 GMT -5
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Post by PhillyHoya on Nov 30, 2009 15:51:56 GMT -5
Tiger is skipping his own tournament due to "injuries" (otherwise known as I don't want to deal with the press or the public AT ALL).
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Post by hifigator on Nov 30, 2009 16:00:20 GMT -5
Tiger is skipping his own tournament due to "injuries" (otherwise known as I don't want to deal with the press or the public AT ALL). 'Ya think? In all seriousness, the release I heard said that he wasn't even going to be in attendance. If that's the case, then I know you've hit the nail on the head. I could see him not playing in it. Even if he's healed enough, missing the final week of practice before an event probably isn't conducive to being competitive anyway. But to not show up at your own tournament? But since money is raised for charity, I think he should nut up and at least make an appearance.
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Post by Boz on Nov 30, 2009 16:00:49 GMT -5
Tiger is skipping his own tournament due to "injuries" (otherwise known as I don't want to deal with the press or the public AT ALL). I don't know. Being symbolically castrated by your wife in public sounds like something that would need a fair bit of recovery time. Where's the first tournament of the year in 2010? Is it the Mercedes in Hawaii? I'd better see someone in the gallery there dressed up as a fire hydrant!
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Post by rosslynhoya on Nov 30, 2009 16:01:51 GMT -5
I understand that the story is "big news," what I haven't seen/heard/read are the never ending rumors/insinuations of wrong doing that would likely accompany the same story if it involved Williams for example. That's all I'm saying. I'm sure they are out there, but from the three or so hours that I have heard of sportstalk radio yesterday and today and from what little bit of "news" our mullet wrapper claims to have, not much is being said. Such stories are seemingly relegated to the National Enquirers of the world for the time being. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. That's just an observation. Are you kidding? Outside of the fever swamps, this has been nonstop news... I think at lunch today it was on ESPN, ESPNews, CNN, and HLN simultaneously.... You either haven't turned on a sports or news channel, or all you people need to stop calling in to your local radio for the sake of calling in for updates on Tim Tebow's Heisman status.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 30, 2009 16:25:37 GMT -5
rossly, I listened to National sports talk yesterday afternoon/early evening for a couple/three hours. Then I had on Dan Patrick for about 45 minutes on the ride into town this morning as well as about 30 minutes of Tim Brando doing a few errands before work. Granted, for the most part since then it has been local sportstalk. There were only a couple of random hints at any kind of impropriety on Tiger's part, and most notably, nothing suggesting alcohol at all. There was one mention of subpeoning hopital records this morning. But that's it. Again, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but with certain other celebs, I think the rumors would be rampant.
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Post by redskins12820 on Nov 30, 2009 16:55:47 GMT -5
rossly, I listened to National sports talk yesterday afternoon/early evening for a couple/three hours. Then I had on Dan Patrick for about 45 minutes on the ride into town this morning as well as about 30 minutes of Tim Brando doing a few errands before work. Granted, for the most part since then it has been local sportstalk. There were only a couple of random hints at any kind of impropriety on Tiger's part, and most notably, nothing suggesting alcohol at all. There was one mention of subpeoning hopital records this morning. But that's it. Again, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but with certain other celebs, I think the rumors would be rampant. There are 4 articles on cnn.com's front page, 4 article/news/radio clips on ESPN.com's front page, 7 of the 10 articles on TMZ's front page are Tiger articles. What world are you living in? The reason no one is suggesting alcohol, is because the police already came out and said there was no alcohol involved at all. That's why it's not out there. What is being insinuated is that his wife went crazy on him with a golf club and he probably crashed trying to get away from her. And that story is everywhere
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Post by hifigator on Nov 30, 2009 17:20:34 GMT -5
rossly, I listened to National sports talk yesterday afternoon/early evening for a couple/three hours. Then I had on Dan Patrick for about 45 minutes on the ride into town this morning as well as about 30 minutes of Tim Brando doing a few errands before work. Granted, for the most part since then it has been local sportstalk. There were only a couple of random hints at any kind of impropriety on Tiger's part, and most notably, nothing suggesting alcohol at all. There was one mention of subpeoning hopital records this morning. But that's it. Again, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but with certain other celebs, I think the rumors would be rampant. There are 4 articles on cnn.com's front page, 4 article/news/radio clips on ESPN.com's front page, 7 of the 10 articles on TMZ's front page are Tiger articles. What world are you living in? The reason no one is suggesting alcohol, is because the police already came out and said there was no alcohol involved at all. That's why it's not out there. What is being insinuated is that his wife went crazy on him with a golf club and he probably crashed trying to get away from her. And that story is everywhere Yeah, that's making the rounds now. As for the police reports, the initial release was that alcohol wasn't a factor. Now apparently, the hospital records are being sought, via court order. Very little mention of that. I don't know if it's true. Hell, I don't know if that much is even true. Are they being pursued? I don't know. As for the specific nature of the interaction with his wife, there are certainly numerous stories about that. So what did really happen? Presumably, Tiger had the scratches and maybe some bruises from her outrage on him. Then he went to drive away and she maybe threw a club at the vehicle. Did it really have enough force to break the window and then continue onward to knock him out or daze him? Maybe. Did he instinctively duck down as the golf club shattered the window? Maybe. Did he swerve as the club broke the window, hitting the fire hydrant and then overcorrecting into the tree? Who knows. As for your mentioning of articles on websites, I honestly haven't gone to a single one of those sites. So in that regard, I will accept your lists. In any case, I just can't help but think that it would be taking up a lot more of the airwaves if it were certain other athletes.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 30, 2009 18:52:03 GMT -5
rossly, I listened to National sports talk yesterday afternoon/early evening for a couple/three hours. Then I had on Dan Patrick for about 45 minutes on the ride into town this morning as well as about 30 minutes of Tim Brando doing a few errands before work. Granted, for the most part since then it has been local sportstalk. There were only a couple of random hints at any kind of impropriety on Tiger's part, and most notably, nothing suggesting alcohol at all. There was one mention of subpeoning hopital records this morning. But that's it. Again, I'm not sure that's a bad thing, but with certain other celebs, I think the rumors would be rampant. There are 4 articles on cnn.com's front page, 4 article/news/radio clips on ESPN.com's front page, 7 of the 10 articles on TMZ's front page are Tiger articles. What world are you living in? The reason no one is suggesting alcohol, is because the police already came out and said there was no alcohol involved at all. That's why it's not out there. What is being insinuated is that his wife went crazy on him with a golf club and he probably crashed trying to get away from her. And that story is everywhere Listen, all I'm saying is the story would have a very different tone if Tiger hadn't managed his image so carefully. Right now everyone is being very responsible and respectful, qualifying every reference to speculation as such and treating the whole thing with kid gloves. If it was anybody but Tiger, the story would not be treated so delicately. The only organization that seems to be pushing the envelope is TMZ...that would not be the case if there was an angle that could be exploited to make a larger social point.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Nov 30, 2009 22:19:21 GMT -5
Where's the first tournament of the year in 2010? Is it the Mercedes in Hawaii? I'd better see someone in the gallery there dressed up as a fire hydrant! Except Tiger never plays in it.
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Post by hoyaalf on Nov 30, 2009 22:37:14 GMT -5
The unspoken truth is that this fellow lives in LaLa land.
He doesn't know what reaity in the conventional sense means.
How many world figures can be evoked by saying an animal's name?
He has made the the mistake of leaving his public story line vague and unfinished.
He is in short the most elusive great American hero since Lindberg. The unforeseen consequences of such a bell-jar exisitence are often painful.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 1, 2009 12:29:01 GMT -5
There are 4 articles on cnn.com's front page, 4 article/news/radio clips on ESPN.com's front page, 7 of the 10 articles on TMZ's front page are Tiger articles. What world are you living in? The reason no one is suggesting alcohol, is because the police already came out and said there was no alcohol involved at all. That's why it's not out there. What is being insinuated is that his wife went crazy on him with a golf club and he probably crashed trying to get away from her. And that story is everywhere Listen, all I'm saying is the story would have a very different tone if Tiger hadn't managed his image so carefully. Right now everyone is being very responsible and respectful, qualifying every reference to speculation as such and treating the whole thing with kid gloves. If it was anybody but Tiger, the story would not be treated so delicately. The only organization that seems to be pushing the envelope is TMZ...that would not be the case if there was an angle that could be exploited to make a larger social point. Well said, pugnaces.
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Post by Boz on Dec 1, 2009 13:51:28 GMT -5
There are 4 articles on cnn.com's front page, 4 article/news/radio clips on ESPN.com's front page, 7 of the 10 articles on TMZ's front page are Tiger articles. What world are you living in? The reason no one is suggesting alcohol, is because the police already came out and said there was no alcohol involved at all. That's why it's not out there. What is being insinuated is that his wife went crazy on him with a golf club and he probably crashed trying to get away from her. And that story is everywhere Listen, all I'm saying is the story would have a very different tone if Tiger hadn't managed his image so carefully. Right now everyone is being very responsible and respectful, qualifying every reference to speculation as such and treating the whole thing with kid gloves. If it was anybody but Tiger, the story would not be treated so delicately. The only organization that seems to be pushing the envelope is TMZ...that would not be the case if there was an angle that could be exploited to make a larger social point. Well, hang on now. Yes, he has "managed his image," as you say, but doesn't that also mean he has behaved very well to date in his public life? Wouldn't that account -- at least a little bit -- for the media maybe not wanting to pounce with all claws right away? Think about it? What are the biggest scandals that have involved Tiger Woods? His caddy is a doosh. OK. People said he should have spoken out more re: Augusta. Not that big a deal. And his golf etiquette completely sucks (yelling, cursing throwing clubs, dragging his putter on the green). That's about as bad as he's been the entire time the world has known him. Am I leaving something out? Believe me, I am not sticking up for the scruples of the media, particularly an organization like TMZ. But Tiger has earned a little benefit of the doubt, don't you think? I don't think it would be treated differently if it was "anybody but Tiger." It would be treated differently if it was anyone who had a bit more dirt in their history than Tiger though.
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