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Post by Boz on Nov 20, 2009 16:28:45 GMT -5
Evidence that Sarah Palin is a superstar?
5 pages in 3-4 days.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 22, 2009 16:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 22, 2009 19:13:07 GMT -5
Only a book-touring superstar would rate such attention from SNL and the Huffing-and-Puffing press.
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 22, 2009 21:25:14 GMT -5
Evidence that Sarah Palin is a superstar? 5 pages in 3-4 days. Yeah, but most of this thread is me arguing over working hard. It's only related to Palin tangentially at best. The 5 pages is more proof of my inability to stay on topic than her status.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 22, 2009 21:58:05 GMT -5
Evidence that Sarah Palin is a superstar? 5 pages in 3-4 days. Does this also make KSM/Eric Holder a superstar?
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 22, 2009 22:11:51 GMT -5
Evidence that Sarah Palin is a superstar? 5 pages in 3-4 days. Does this also make KSM/Eric Holder a superstar? I don't know about KSM/Holder, but it makes Latavious Williams the second coming.
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Post by guru on Nov 22, 2009 22:21:20 GMT -5
Does this also make KSM/Eric Holder a superstar? I don't know about KSM/Holder, but it makes Latavious Williams the second coming. And it makes the Charlie Daniels Band the biggest superstars in the history of the world.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 23, 2009 9:17:02 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 23, 2009 10:14:58 GMT -5
Not that I want to take a side in this, but it is not accurate to suggest that lawyers are stable in their jobs, as the layoffs by firms of hundreds of their attorneys in one fell swoop can attest. In some cases, these were "performance" evaluations, but, as time wore on, performance became a euphemism for the billable hours of these attorneys. I am not sure what distinguishes that from work stoppages or layoffs on assembly lines and the like, apart from the differences in compensation between a blue collar worker and a white collar worker when the managerial decisions are made on the basis of the same criteria. Fair point. I would say, however, that lawyers as a general rule have a much easier job finding other employment (Many lawyers who lost their jobs when the market tanked have gotten other jobs as the economy has recovered - many auto industry jobs that have been lost have stayed lost). I really tire of the who works harder than who argument, but your statement regarding lawyers finding employment easier after a layoff -- while normally would be the case during most downturns -- has as of yet not proven to be the case in this economy; I refer you to the legal industry tabloid of note www.abovethelaw.com which has been tracking the situation. Basically, the entire legal community contracted while the number of law graduates rapidly expanded...big problems.
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Post by Boz on Nov 23, 2009 10:22:35 GMT -5
As much fun as I am having with this thread, that's a pretty reasoned assessment. I probably wouldn't equate Huckabee and Palin though, other than their "career" choices, which are very similar. I don't think Huckabee's 2008 problems were the same as Palin's. (i.e. - "being a lightweight.") And I still don't think either of them will be running for President in 2012. EDIT: Here's a dark horse to keep an eye on: www.in.gov/gov/2635.htm HOYA SAXA!!!!
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 23, 2009 10:28:13 GMT -5
Fair point. I would say, however, that lawyers as a general rule have a much easier job finding other employment (Many lawyers who lost their jobs when the market tanked have gotten other jobs as the economy has recovered - many auto industry jobs that have been lost have stayed lost). I really tire of the who works harder than who argument, but your statement regarding lawyers finding employment easier after a layoff -- while normally would be the case during most downturns -- has as of yet not proven to be the case in this economy; I refer you to the legal industry tabloid of note www.abovethelaw.com which has been tracking the situation. Basically, the entire legal community contracted while the number of law graduates rapidly expanded...big problems. Damn you Cambridge! I come here so that I can avoid ATL.
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 23, 2009 10:54:36 GMT -5
As much fun as I am having with this thread, that's a pretty reasoned assessment. I probably wouldn't equate Huckabee and Palin though, other than their "career" choices, which are very similar. I don't think Huckabee's 2008 problems were the same as Palin's. (i.e. - "being a lightweight.") And I still don't think either of them will be running for President in 2012. EDIT: Here's a dark horse to keep an eye on: www.in.gov/gov/2635.htm HOYA SAXA!!!! I can't see Daniels, at least in 2012 - he's tied too much to the Bush administration. If the Republicans have any chance in 2012, they need to indicate that they will be different from the W years, and any connection - especially someone who ran OMB - seems like a kiss of death.
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Post by Boz on Nov 23, 2009 11:09:27 GMT -5
Possible. I don't think Daniels' connections to Bush would be all that much a detriment, particularly since he wasn't connected during the last few years, which is when public perception really turned badly. He'd be running more on a very successful governorship in Indiana. Oh, sure, there'd be every attempt to make that connection, I just don't know how successful that would be. But, like I said, dark horse. At least for now and probably until after 2010. I am pretty sure, and this is complete supposition on my part, but I am pretty sure the Republican nominee will not be someone who is currently leading the conversation (Romney, Palin, Huckabee, Pawlenty, etc.). Back to the main topic of this thread, the following is just crazy:* www.politico.com/click/stories/0911/palins_roanoke_visit.html* Note to liberals: the linked video is not a case I am making that Sarah Palin should be elected to anything. It's just a note about how real and strong her support is. And, like I said, it's crazy. (and the second, much shorter video is just plain weird and creepy)
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 23, 2009 11:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by Bando on Nov 23, 2009 11:32:40 GMT -5
Possible. I don't think Daniels' connections to Bush would be all that much a detriment, particularly since he wasn't connected during the last few years, which is when public perception really turned badly. He'd be running more on a very successful governorship in Indiana. Oh, sure, there'd be every attempt to make that connection, I just don't know how successful that would be. But, like I said, dark horse. At least for now and probably until after 2010. I am pretty sure, and this is complete supposition on my part, but I am pretty sure the Republican nominee will not be someone who is currently leading the conversation (Romney, Palin, Huckabee, Pawlenty, etc.). Back to the main topic of this thread, the following is just crazy:* www.politico.com/click/stories/0911/palins_roanoke_visit.html* Note to liberals: the linked video is not a case I am making that Sarah Palin should be elected to anything. It's just a note about how real and strong her support is. And, like I said, it's crazy. (and the second, much shorter video is just plain weird and creepy) I don't think anyone doubts her support, just that it's enough to win a federal election. Her favorable/unfavorables are horrible. And while she might be able to win the GOP nomination in 2012, polling now is saying she'd be killed in the general. I think you have to realize that like Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin has become an extremely polarizing figure. If Obama is weak in 2012, I think it would be a mistake for the GOP to nominate someone who would energize liberals, like Palin would.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 23, 2009 11:38:28 GMT -5
Possible. I don't think Daniels' connections to Bush would be all that much a detriment, particularly since he wasn't connected during the last few years, which is when public perception really turned badly. He'd be running more on a very successful governorship in Indiana. Oh, sure, there'd be every attempt to make that connection, I just don't know how successful that would be. But, like I said, dark horse. At least for now and probably until after 2010. I am pretty sure, and this is complete supposition on my part, but I am pretty sure the Republican nominee will not be someone who is currently leading the conversation (Romney, Palin, Huckabee, Pawlenty, etc.). Back to the main topic of this thread, the following is just crazy:* www.politico.com/click/stories/0911/palins_roanoke_visit.html* Note to liberals: the linked video is not a case I am making that Sarah Palin should be elected to anything. It's just a note about how real and strong her support is. And, like I said, it's crazy. (and the second, much shorter video is just plain weird and creepy) I don't think anyone doubts her support, just that it's enough to win a federal election. Her favorable/unfavorables are horrible. And while she might be able to win the GOP nomination in 2012, polling now is saying she'd be killed in the general. I think you have to realize that like Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin has become an extremely polarizing figure. If Obama is weak in 2012, I think it would be a mistake for the GOP to nominate someone who would energize liberals, like Palin would. Bando, thanks for your concern for the Republican Party.
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Post by TC on Nov 23, 2009 12:38:53 GMT -5
Really? Did you have to quote two entire posts to write one meaningless stupid snarkline?
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Post by Boz on Nov 23, 2009 12:47:44 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on Nov 23, 2009 13:08:59 GMT -5
I think Bando summed up the situation pretty well, actually.
Do the Republicans really think they will be able to depose the incumbent empty suit by countering with another empty suit? How can an attack on Obama be spearheaded by someone with, pretty much, the same weaknesses? Wouldn't it make sense to support someone who has significant accomplishments, real experience and is not as polarizing? I know, good luck finding that someone.
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