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Post by Boz on Nov 3, 2010 14:52:42 GMT -5
Maybe there are no Eisenhower Republicans because it's not 1953 anymore.
Where are all the Woodrow Wilson Democrats today?
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Post by The Stig on Nov 3, 2010 15:02:44 GMT -5
It seems like the whole GOP wants us to remember that they're the Party of Lincoln, despite the fact that it's not 1863 anymore.
There aren't many Woodrow Wilson Dems today because a lot of his ideals weren't too great. Most modern Dems aren't big fans of lynching, among other things.
Ironically, some of Wilson's foreign policy ideals had a brief revival recently on the other side of the aisle. His rhetoric of going to war to make the world safe for democracy had a lot of resonance among neoconservatives hawks, who sometimes described themselves as Wilsonians with teeth.
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Post by Boz on Nov 3, 2010 15:24:43 GMT -5
Ambassador's lack of a sense of humor is rubbing off on you.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 3, 2010 15:29:47 GMT -5
Ambassador's lack of a sense of humor is rubbing off on you. Boz - I appreciate your humor, but you certainly can do better than to make a generic comment in an otherwise serious and intelligent discussion and later claim it to be a joke when it receives honest counterargument, particularly where the Woodrow Wilson thing is a hot topic in certain circles. Some of us know Eisenhower Republicans who pulled the lever for him and appreciate their values even as they are attacked by conservatives today who are frankly unaccomplished by comparison. I agree with Stig below. I am not as Editeded off as some and take solace in the fact that 27 of the losses on the House side were of conservative Democrats who thought they'd be saved by voting down HCR. I agree that they don't belong in the people's House.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 3, 2010 15:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 3, 2010 15:44:10 GMT -5
Paul Ryan seems to hit most of the points from Jersey's link. Two main issues I can really see are on defense spending, but he does want "to take a scalpel" to the Pentagon, even if there's a net increase in spending to meet our current war obligations and "preserving" resources, though he's signed onto the Great Lakes Preservation act. blog.american.com/?p=17155www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan_Environment.htm
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Post by Boz on Nov 3, 2010 15:54:26 GMT -5
Ambassador's lack of a sense of humor is rubbing off on you. Boz - I appreciate your humor, but you certainly can do better than to make a generic comment in an otherwise serious and intelligent discussion and later claim it to be a joke when it receives honest counterargument, particularly where the Woodrow Wilson thing is a hot topic in certain circles. "Later claim" I was joking? Do you think I was honestly looking for Woodrow Wilson Democrats in today's politicians? But OK. Fair enough. You continue to have a serious and intelligent discussion. I won't interrupt because I can't participate. I have brain freeze from sipping on my victory Slurpee. ;D ;D
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 3, 2010 19:06:49 GMT -5
Election post-mortem by Easy Ed. 1. It's the economy, stupid. This election, like most, was the result of Americans believing the economy is bad. All else was peripheral. 2. It's the people, stupid. Too many Americans and too many people running for public office believe what the Federal government does in the short run in the way of fiscal policy determines whether the economy is good or bad. And they are all stupid to believe this. 3. Nobody running for federal office from either party really addressed the most important issue facing the country which is the long-term debt. 4. President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and, to a lesser extent, Harry Reid were extremely effective in that they passed most of the major pieces of legislation they wanted. But, their success greatly worsened the long-term debt. 5. According to NBC News tonight, 32% of all persons elected yesterday had some connection to the Tea Party movement. If correct, that's an astounding figure. But, now it's time for them to put up or shut up. 6. Here in South Carolina we elected a female governor of Indian descent and, in my congressional district, an African American conservative for the Congress. Our new governor-elect Nikki Haley, was an unknown until tapped by Sarah Palin, whose impact on the election country-wide was large. Sorry for the length to this post, something usually reserved for others.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 3, 2010 19:53:52 GMT -5
The Tea Party's clout is in the hands of their Republican colleagues right now. Indications are that some of its members wish to seek leadership positions, including Michelle Bachmann (against a southern conservative). This will be a good first crack to see if the election results are being respected.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 4, 2010 10:49:15 GMT -5
The Tea Party's clout is in the hands of their Republican colleagues right now. Indications are that some of its members wish to seek leadership positions, including Michelle Bachmann (against a southern conservative). This will be a good first crack to see if the election results are being respected. How do the elections for party leadership "respect" the election results?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 4, 2010 14:02:14 GMT -5
The Tea Party's clout is in the hands of their Republican colleagues right now. Indications are that some of its members wish to seek leadership positions, including Michelle Bachmann (against a southern conservative). This will be a good first crack to see if the election results are being respected. If you're going to be a Texan, the first thing you should do is stop calling Texas "the south." Article link: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110305566.htmlInteresting story that correctly points out Jeb Hensarling has promoted "Tea Party values" for years, but has not tried to be an official Tea Party spokesman. It will be interesting to see what gets folks ahead in this different-looking Republican party: hard work as an elected representative, or popularity as a media personality.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 4, 2010 14:25:20 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what gets folks ahead in this different-looking Republican party: hard work as an elected representative, or popularity as a media personality. Is that even a question? And yes, the same problem exists in the Democratic Party, as well as pretty much every other notable political party on this planet.
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Post by Boz on Nov 4, 2010 14:44:42 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what gets folks ahead in this different-looking Republican party: hard work as an elected representative, or popularity as a media personality. Is that even a question? And yes, the same problem exists in the Democratic Party, as well as pretty much every other notable political party on this planet. How about nearly every profession on this planet? At least those that involve any kind of media attention at all.
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Post by Bando on Nov 4, 2010 15:04:17 GMT -5
Election post-mortem by Easy Ed. 1. It's the economy, stupid. This election, like most, was the result of Americans believing the economy is bad. All else was peripheral. 2. It's the people, stupid. Too many Americans and too many people running for public office believe what the Federal government does in the short run in the way of fiscal policy determines whether the economy is good or bad. And they are all stupid to believe this. 3. Nobody running for federal office from either party really addressed the most important issue facing the country which is the long-term debt. 4. President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and, to a lesser extent, Harry Reid were extremely effective in that they passed most of the major pieces of legislation they wanted. But, their success greatly worsened the long-term debt. 5. According to NBC News tonight, 32% of all persons elected yesterday had some connection to the Tea Party movement. If correct, that's an astounding figure. But, now it's time for them to put up or shut up. 6. Here in South Carolina we elected a female governor of Indian descent and, in my congressional district, an African American conservative for the Congress. Our new governor-elect Nikki Haley, was an unknown until tapped by Sarah Palin, whose impact on the election country-wide was large. Sorry for the length to this post, something usually reserved for others. Per your #5, here's a post urging skepticism on those Tea Party percentages. A lot of establishment GOP jumped on the bandwagon and are being counted as Tea Partiers in some of these lists.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 6, 2010 8:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 6, 2010 23:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya06 on Nov 7, 2010 0:21:51 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what gets folks ahead in this different-looking Republican party: hard work as an elected representative, or popularity as a media personality. Is that even a question? And yes, the same problem exists in the Democratic Party, as well as pretty much every other notable political party on this planet. Yes it's a question. Isn't Hensarling expected to win handily?
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 8, 2010 15:08:02 GMT -5
After the '08 elections the Democrats erred in thinking it was a mandate to pass their favorite bills like Health Care Reform and Cap and Trade. Instead, the '08 election was pure anti-Bush.
After the mid-terms of '10 the Republicans are erring in thinking it was a madate to pass their favorite bills like extending the tax cuts and shrinking the size of government. Instead, the '10 election was pure bad economy. They are headed for the same results if they aren't honest with themselves.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 8, 2010 15:12:55 GMT -5
After the '08 elections the Democrats erred in thinking it was a mandate to pass their favorite bills like Health Care Reform and Cap and Trade. Instead, the '08 election was pure anti-Bush. After the mid-terms of '10 the Republicans are erring in thinking it was a madate to pass their favorite bills like extending the tax cuts and shrinking the size of government. Instead, the '10 election was pure bad economy. They are headed for the same results if they aren't honest with themselves. So they shouldn't try to shrink government? What should they do?
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 8, 2010 19:19:41 GMT -5
What should they do? Really tackle the long-term debt problem through large spending cuts across the board and small tax increases.
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