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Post by Boz on Oct 20, 2010 23:52:25 GMT -5
Well, he ain't gonna' be Governor, but he's sure to take in a lot of money after his performance. Someone's gonna' put him on TV, no question about it. Maybe he can be the new spokesman for The Money Store. (Is The Money Store still around?)
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 20, 2010 23:55:02 GMT -5
Or a Blue Blockers infomercial
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Post by TC on Oct 21, 2010 8:49:46 GMT -5
He was interested in getting into back and forths with her on other occasions, though. Coons' gaffe (IMO) is here: Watch the minute prior to where you have it queued up. The context is different if you listen to the entire exchange. But let's be honest, that's a debate question that you don't answer because you can't win on it - there's only downside to trying. If you momentarily forget the freedom of petition or even pause too long after rattling off four of the five and have to think for a moment to come up with the fifth on the spot, you're sunk because you've just produced a campaign video for your opponent (see: Jan Brewer).
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Post by rosslynhoya on Oct 21, 2010 11:52:24 GMT -5
He was interested in getting into back and forths with her on other occasions, though. Coons' gaffe (IMO) is here: Watch the minute prior to where you have it queued up. The context is different if you listen to the entire exchange. But let's be honest, that's a debate question that you don't answer because you can't win on it - there's only downside to trying. If you momentarily forget the freedom of petition or even pause too long after rattling off four of the five and have to think for a moment to come up with the fifth on the spot, you're sunk because you've just produced a campaign video for your opponent (see: Jan Brewer). The trick then is to avoid any multi-syllabic communications during these debates. Simply grunt, scream, or piffle in short bursts to avoid looking like someone capable of forming a coherent sentence and thereby rendering oneself unfit for higher office. See: Jimmy McMillan. I also regret that there is absolutely no way I can defend O'Donnell's performance. She simply reminds me of the bumper-sticker Republicans in my office (I know, you're saying THAT'S ALL REPUKES HAHA) who I'm just unable to have a conversation with.... I know that Rush, Boortz, and Mark Levin et al. are making valid points during their shows and that there's depth and context to the arguments that they make, but somehow the takeaway is distilled down to seven or eight words that lack any substance. No, "separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution, but what does that proposition mean? Why should or shouldn't TJ's dicta have any influence on that amendment but not others? What criteria would you propose for analyzing a claim made invoking the Establishment Clause or Free Exercise Clause? Oh wait, you didn't absorb any of that part of the discussion, did you? Oh well, on the bright side, thanks to Coons we will go another couple years without a Biden in the Senate.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 21, 2010 12:07:37 GMT -5
Every person on the current Supreme Court had some education at an Ivy League school and all but one, I believe, went to law school at an Ivy League law school. Ex-Supreme Court Justice Souter was Harvard 1961, Harvard Law 1966 so his views would tend to reflect his Ivy League upbringing. Now the Ivy League schools are not exactly nesting eggs for conservatives. In these law schools, students are taught the law as interpreted by their professors and, in totality, this almost certainly is of the liberal interpretation. As they make their way to the Supreme Court they bring that background with them and it's reflected in the decisions that are made and these decisions form the precedents from which everything else is interpreted. Are there some who escape onto the Court and do not reflect the liberal bias passed on in law school? Of course, but, over the course of years they have not been able to curtail the tide of liberalism in court decisions.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 25, 2010 15:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Oct 25, 2010 15:52:27 GMT -5
It's like Caddyshack all over again. "Buy?! Bushwood??!! YOU???!!!" ;D (But Obama's a pretty good golfer, what with all that practice he's been getting. )
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 25, 2010 19:06:35 GMT -5
This reads like a socialist sob story to me. Long on complaints and very short on solutions - what is this private scholar recommending? My sense is that he may just prefer some kind of change in who the elites are - perhaps bringing back more of a Bush/Cheney elitism that remains widely popular in conservative circles. I would have been interested to hear more of his thoughts on Barack Obama and Joe Biden who by no stretch of the imagination were born elites - one from a broken family in the heartland of America and the other from a steel town in blue collar PA. One did not go to an elite law school and the other starting his journey at Occidental College. One concern I have is that unemployment problems in this country have been there for a long time but certain folks have only come out of the woodwork after losing an election. Inner city poverty, for example, has been there for generations, yet it has not been a concern of the tea party constituencies ever as best I can tell, their oppression claims to the contrary. Perhaps AEI could take up a study on that issue.
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Post by Bando on Oct 25, 2010 23:48:30 GMT -5
This reads like a socialist sob story to me. Long on complaints and very short on solutions - what is this private scholar recommending? My sense is that he may just prefer some kind of change in who the elites are - perhaps bringing back more of a Bush/Cheney elitism that remains widely popular in conservative circles. I would have been interested to hear more of his thoughts on Barack Obama and Joe Biden who by no stretch of the imagination were born elites - one from a broken family in the heartland of America and the other from a steel town in blue collar PA. One did not go to an elite law school and the other starting his journey at Occidental College. One concern I have is that unemployment problems in this country have been there for a long time but certain folks have only come out of the woodwork after losing an election. Inner city poverty, for example, has been there for generations, yet it has not been a concern of the tea party constituencies ever as best I can tell, their oppression claims to the contrary. Perhaps AEI could take up a study on that issue. Yeah, Mr. Murray lost me when he suggested that the NFL, the most popular sport in the country, was the province of the elite. Besides, this is the same whack job who wrote the Bell Curve. I didn't notice a lot of statistics in this op-ed, just assumptions of what a Harvard and MIT educated professor thought was "real America".
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 25, 2010 23:54:56 GMT -5
I wondered the same thing but am also impressed by his Gramscian idealism. If we educate his trailer park proletariat, will they simply just want to go to Harvard and Yale, or will they fill the hallowed halls of a reinvigorated Liberty University or Bob Jones?
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Post by Bando on Oct 25, 2010 23:56:33 GMT -5
Also, apparently being an elite has nothing to do with how much money you have or power you hold and everything to do with what TV shows you like. Who knew?
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Post by TC on Oct 26, 2010 8:28:49 GMT -5
OK, so we're back to the Nancy Pfotenhaufer "real America"? Can someone explain to me, other than class warfare, what the purpose of this article is? Have we really reached the point where we not only have a "real" Virginia and a something-other-than-real Virginia, but also a "real" Jimmie Johnson and a not-real not pro-America one (maybe that's why he got voted off Survivor)?
Also, I love how the article tries to skewer both Republicans and Democrats, but the "real" America is based entirely upon Southern conservative white Evangelical Christianity - Left Behind books, vacationing in Branson, MO, having an Evangelical friend, etc. If this is really about class and not just a political hit piece - where's being part of a union, travelling by public transit at least once a month, seeing a Tyler Perry movie, or knowledge of what the minimum wage currently is?
I'd love to see someone have the gall to write the opposite piece - that rural white Christians aren't Americans because they don't listen to the Arcade Fire or watch Glee. Pure idiocy.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 26, 2010 9:34:34 GMT -5
Piece of junk, as was the Bell Curve.
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Post by Boz on Oct 26, 2010 9:57:55 GMT -5
Arcade Fire are subversive Canadian collectivists.
Everyone knows that.
And Glee. Well, Glee is just stupid.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 26, 2010 10:09:19 GMT -5
I wondered the same thing but am also impressed by his Gramscian idealism. If we educate his trailer park proletariat, will they simply just want to go to Harvard and Yale, or will they fill the hallowed halls of a reinvigorated Liberty University or Bob Jones? This is a perfect illustration of the New Elite, putting down people who live in trailer parks or go to Liberty or Bob Jones universities. Of course you will say your words do not put them down but the implication is clear to those who are not of the elite class.
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Post by TC on Oct 26, 2010 10:11:20 GMT -5
Arcade Fire are subversive Canadian collectivists. Everyone knows that. And Glee. Well, Glee is just stupid. MMA is Asian fighting styles! Communists! I think you get the point that is stupid to declare that people are Americans or not depending on their pop culture likes and dislikes. The whole article strikes me as some form of Neocon Hipsterism, where you're not cool if you're not into survivalism as opposed to urban dodgeball or whatever.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 26, 2010 10:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 10:43:16 GMT -5
God forbid that we elect people to write and enact the laws of this country who actually...you know...study and understand law.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 26, 2010 12:34:44 GMT -5
This is a perfect illustration of the New Elite, putting down people who live in trailer parks or go to Liberty or Bob Jones universities. Of course you will say your words do not put them down but the implication is clear to those who are not of the elite class. Why should I be required to unilaterally disarm when it is clear from the musings that you posted that there is a group of complainers who look down upon who they believe to be elites? That is the point about this group of folks who want to become the Newer Elite - they complain about what they have, ask the government for more, and then seek out the same positions in society that they currently abhor. So far as I've been able to tell, the Tea Party folks truly don't know what poor is. It is more likely that their classist speculation can be explained by old money disdain for the new. In the end, you are right. I don't think much of the Tea Party or its members just as others don't think much of ACORN or fringe groups on the left. Its function this campaign has been to convince a subset of the population that America sucks because they don't have everything they want and they have not had their way on everything.
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Post by Bando on Oct 26, 2010 12:42:17 GMT -5
Boz is right. Glee sucks.
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