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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 11, 2009 19:00:42 GMT -5
Where are this week's picks? I need my fix. Anyone drinking the koolaid and think that Michigan-Notre Dame is a big game again between two good teams? Didn't think so. hifi: whenever the #1 and #3 winningest programs in DI-A play each other, it's a big deal. From the uniforms to the fight songs to the lifelong fans and alumni who will pack the Big House on Saturday, Michigan-Notre Dame is a classic CFB experience. Not that I'd expect a fan of a program yet to crack the all-time win list's top 20 to know that. Enjoy being the flavor of the week while it lasts.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 11, 2009 19:42:24 GMT -5
Penn St. - Syracuse was a big game a couple decades ago, but I would be hard pressed to include that on the list today. Unless someone is watching just to see how much dirt the PSU defense forces Greg Paulus to eat.
And as for that other game referenced above, I say hail to the victors, valiant. Go maize and blue.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 12, 2009 19:07:32 GMT -5
Where are this week's picks? I need my fix. Anyone drinking the koolaid and think that Michigan-Notre Dame is a big game again between two good teams? Didn't think so. hifi: whenever the #1 and #3 winningest programs in DI-A play each other, it's a big deal. From the uniforms to the fight songs to the lifelong fans and alumni who will pack the Big House on Saturday, Michigan-Notre Dame is a classic CFB experience. Not that I'd expect a fan of a program yet to crack the all-time win list's top 20 to know that. Enjoy being the flavor of the week while it lasts. It's ok to pump up the UM-ND game, but I think calling Florida the flavor of the week is going way too far. Sure the first two have longer, more storied histories, but UF has more college championships in the last 13-14 years than the other two have, combined, in the last 30+ years (and more than UM overall).
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 14, 2009 6:04:24 GMT -5
Where are this week's picks? I need my fix. Anyone drinking the koolaid and think that Michigan-Notre Dame is a big game again between two good teams? Didn't think so. anyone think hifi knows anything about college football other than tim tebow's jock strap size? didn't think so. i'm biased, but that game saturday was amazing. charlie looked like someone stole his ding dongs when that game ended.
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Post by kellycpcm on Sept 14, 2009 8:57:57 GMT -5
Watched the Penn State-SU game in Happy Valley on Sat. Paulus actually looked very good, too bad the rest of the team sucked. i.e, you can't spell SUCKS without a SU
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Post by Boz on Sept 14, 2009 9:35:28 GMT -5
Was it inappropriate of me to be checking the Michigan-ND score about every five minutes during the wedding ceremony I was at on Saturday?
I watched the whole thing last night and it truly was a great game. Michigan needs better receivers and cornerbacks, but they are light years ahead of last year's nadir.
ND, well, I hate them, but they looked pretty good too, I have to admit, at least on offense. But I guarantee that Jimmy Clausen is going to lose at least one or two more games singlehandedly for them unless he stops throwing up those lobs every time he gets pressure.
Nice to see Golden Tate pulling some "Pittsburgh Panthers chest bump"-style trash talk while there was still time left for Michigan to win the game. (and to the ND linebacker who said that Michigan was "stupid" to start a freshman quarterback against them.....ummmm, hi. Tate Forcier just owned you.)
Unfortunately, because of said wedding, that was about the only game I got to see this weekend. But it's always a good weekend when Michigan can pull out a win and when THE Ohio State University suffers a heartbreaking loss.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 14, 2009 9:56:42 GMT -5
boz,
i thought donovan warren played well. cissoko on the other hand, was burned like a toasted cheese all game. but who can guard michael floyd? that kid is awesome. they have nothing at corner behind those two. they will be better when jt turner gets more reps, hopefully the next couple weeks. the thing that worried me was the way nd ran the ball at will numerous times during the game. the undersized front 7 might be in trouble against teams that like to pound the ball. big will campbell needs to get some time to clog the middle more.
i like the receivers, especially when hemmingway comes back. no real go to guy, but a bunch of guys that can start and contribute. koger is an excellent TE. brandon minor coming back from injury was huge. he gives them a punishing runner inside the tackles to go with speed guys like brown, shaw, and smith and he picks up the blitz well.
i'm not saying this is a bcs team, hell they could lose to emu this week, but this team is fun to watch. it's amazing what having a QB that can move and is accurate does for an offense.
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Post by Boz on Sept 14, 2009 10:12:48 GMT -5
Yes. Run more waggles to Koger. Run several of them every game. I don't care if it was Lloyd Carr's favorite pass play or not. When you have a good tight end and a mobile QB, it will work against most college defenses, and usually for large chunks of yards. Cissoko is probably going to be a liability all season, but you have to root for a guy named Boubacar.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 14, 2009 11:04:35 GMT -5
Where are this week's picks? I need my fix. Anyone drinking the koolaid and think that Michigan-Notre Dame is a big game again between two good teams? Didn't think so. anyone think hifi knows anything about college football other than tim tebow's jock strap size? didn't think so. i'm biased, but that game saturday was amazing. charlie looked like someone stole his ding dongs when that game ended. You're just Editeded his team has more championships than your storied program.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 14, 2009 12:05:46 GMT -5
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hifi: whenever the #1 and #3 winningest programs in DI-A play each other, it's a big deal. From the uniforms to the fight songs to the lifelong fans and alumni who will pack the Big House on Saturday, Michigan-Notre Dame is a classic CFB experience.
Not that I'd expect a fan of a program yet to crack the all-time win list's top 20 to know that. Enjoy being the flavor of the week while it lasts.
You really don't do yourself justice with those comments. Agreed, that Michigan and Notre Dame have a storied history. So does Army and Harvard. Hell, Minnesota was the last team to win 3 straight National Titles, but does that make them any more relevant today? My point was something that probably the vast majority of us would agree with. Notre Dame gets shoved down our throats every year. They are living on past laurels and don't really deserve it. As for Michigan, well, they are just in a bit of a downturn and I am sure they will be good again, and probably soon. As for Florida being the flavor of the week, well, you got that right. And the way Meyer is stockpiling top recruits, that's not to likely to change anytime soon. But I guess if I wasn't a Florida fan, I'd be kind of grumpy right now too.
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anyone think hifi knows anything about college football other than tim tebow's jock strap size? didn't think so.
What exactly makes a "HoyaFan" any sort of expert on college football? That aside, your sarcasm is equally as unbecoming to you as Austin's drivel was to him. But as I told him, it's easy to understand others being in a sour mood right now. If you ain't a Gator, you must be Gator Bait!
Now getting to the real discussion, I thoroughly enjoyed this weekend of football. The Georgia-SC game was exciting. The Tennessee-UCLA and Ohio State-USC and Michigan-Notre Dame games were all captivating. And then finally that miracle finish in the Broncos-Bengals followed by the back and forth contest between the Bears and Packers made the weekend very rewarding. I just can't complain about the weekend -- although it would have been absolutely hysterical if Jacksonville State could have held on another 45 seconds. For those who missed it, they were winning 9-7 in Tallahassee against FSU before the Noles scored on 4th down with 45 seconds in the game. Then JSU fumbled the ball on their next play and it was run in by a Nole defender to make the final look "respectable." That would have been hilarious if JSU could have pulled it out.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 14, 2009 12:09:55 GMT -5
In that case hifi has proven once again to be a MasturGator...
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 14, 2009 12:20:06 GMT -5
Was not aware of the circumstances of the FSU-JSU game. A Jacksonville State win would have been the upset of the millenium. Too bad.
Needless to say, I was very happy about UCLA's win over Tennessee, but was completely baffled by UCLA's third down play call from its own two that led to the safety. I mean, good lord, if you want to run 40 seconds off the clock before giving up the safety, don't you just run a sneak on that play? I was afraid UCLA was going to blow the game by giving up the safety prematurely. And then we learn today that Kevin Prince suffered a broken jaw on that play, and is out at least 3-4 weeks. Way to go, Rick. While no one could have reasonably anticipated that, that result coupled with the stupidity of the call to begin with raises the call into the dumb play pantheon.
And now for my hifi moment. I signed up for Fox Sports college football pick-em last Friday. I missed the first week because I was out of town, and missed the GT-Clemson game because I signed up too late. But somehow, picking 22 games against the spread, I hit 18 (it was actually more like 15 of 19, because three of the games had no line - but still). I mention this not to brag (hifi), but because I doubt that I could repeat that result in a bazillion years.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 14, 2009 12:20:36 GMT -5
anyone think hifi knows anything about college football other than tim tebow's jock strap size? didn't think so. i'm biased, but that game saturday was amazing. charlie looked like someone stole his ding dongs when that game ended. You're just Editeded his team has more championships than your storied program. my 'storied' program has beaten florida twice in bowls the last decade. once in the 2003 outback bowl and then again in the 2008 capital one bowl (with his god tebow at qb and meyer as coach). michigan has a great record against the sec, it's the pac 10, sweater vest, and I-AA teams they struggle with.
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Post by FormerHoya on Sept 14, 2009 12:21:48 GMT -5
Football is a stupid sport.
- A Notre Dame and Chicago Bears Fan
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 14, 2009 12:24:51 GMT -5
Hifi:
Army and Navy are also living on past laurels, yet their game gets television every year and a fair amount of interest and nobody really complains.
Part of what makes college football interesting are the rivalries and games between big programs. While the game between ND and Michigan was overhyped, it still deserved some media attention - lots of people have passionate opinions on ND, and this game will be part of Weis' reckoning at seasons' end. Michigan also finally got a good win against a vaguely good program (ND may be overrated, but they're not that bad), and did it with a freshman at QB.
Oh, and the game lived up to the hype.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 14, 2009 12:33:42 GMT -5
You're just Editeded his team has more championships than your storied program. my 'storied' program has beaten florida twice in bowls the last decade. once in the 2003 outback bowl and then again in the 2008 capital one bowl (with his god tebow at qb and meyer as coach). michigan has a great record against the sec, it's the pac 10, sweater vest, and I-AA teams they struggle with. Hmmm, wins in the Outback and Capital One bowls versus two national championships this decade. I know which one I'd take.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 14, 2009 12:34:55 GMT -5
Was not aware of the circumstances of the FSU-JSU game. A Jacksonville State win would have been the upset of the millenium. Too bad. Needless to say, I was very happy about UCLA's win over Tennessee, but was completely baffled by UCLA's third down play call from its own two that led to the safety. I mean, good lord, if you want to run 40 seconds off the clock before giving up the safety, don't you just run a sneak on that play? I was afraid UCLA was going to blow the game by giving up the safety prematurely. And then we learn today that Kevin Prince suffered a broken jaw on that play, and is out at least 3-4 weeks. Way to go, Rick. While no one could have reasonably anticipated that, that result coupled with the stupidity of the call to begin with raises the call into the dumb play pantheon. And now for my hifi moment. I signed up for Fox Sports college football pick-em last Friday. I missed the first week because I was out of town, and missed the GT-Clemson game because I signed up too late. But somehow, picking 22 games against the spread, I hit 18 (it was actually more like 15 of 19, because three of the games had no line - but still). I mention this not to brag (hifi), but because I doubt that I could repeat that result in a bazillion years. I thought the third down call was fine - you could catch them off guard and get a first down. But the kid has to get rid of it quickly, either to a receiver or throwing it away.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 14, 2009 14:33:21 GMT -5
exorcist wrote:
Hifi:
Army and Navy are also living on past laurels, yet their game gets television every year and a fair amount of interest and nobody really complains.
Part of what makes college football interesting are the rivalries and games between big programs. While the game between ND and Michigan was overhyped, it still deserved some media attention - lots of people have passionate opinions on ND, and this game will be part of Weis' reckoning at seasons' end. Michigan also finally got a good win against a vaguely good program (ND may be overrated, but they're not that bad), and did it with a freshman at QB.
I have no problem with Michigan. In fact, like Texas, they have a special place in my heart for their assistance in 1996. They had to beat an unbeaten Ohio St. at the end of the year to avoid a Rose Bowl matching unbeaten teams in Arizona St. and OSU. That helped open the door for our playing for the National Title in the rematch against FSU. In any case, my main gripe is with Notre Dame. They are just simply not relevant today and yet it seems like they get National coverage every week. I mean, they hadn't won a bowl game in something like 20 years before last season, and that meaningless bowl shouldn't count anyway.
As for Michigan, the 2003 game doesn't count. Any game when we were coached by that boob of a man Ron Zook doesn't count. Not the Capital One Bowl counts. Congratulations. But as someone else pointed out, 2 National Championship and a Heisman to boot kind of offsets that, don't 'ya think?
Lastly, the Army-Navy game has special importance because of the teams themselves, but you are correct in that it isn't of "national interest" aside from that angle. Either way, every year I hear people pointing out how overrated that game is.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 14, 2009 16:24:23 GMT -5
Define relevant, despite not being good they still have legions of fans. therefore they're on tv. It's all about ratings, and they still get them to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by Boz on Sept 14, 2009 17:57:32 GMT -5
Define relevant, despite not being good they still have legions of fans. therefore they're on tv. It's all about ratings, and they still get them to the best of my knowledge. Here are some numbers: 2007: 1.9 average rating / 5 share (ND record: 3-9) 2006: 3.0 average rating / 7 share (ND record 10-3) 2005: 3.6 average rating / 9 share (ND record 9-3) 2003: 2.4 average rating / 6 share (ND record 5-7) 2001: 2.4 average rating / 6 share (ND record 5-6) I'm pretty sure, depending on the number of households in the US with TVs, in the 2000s a full ratings point is in the neighborhood of 1 million households, probably a little bit more each year. The share is the percentage of course. I'm not an expert, but I'd guess that's pretty good, even in the bad years, for a college football team. By comparison, the ABC broadcast of Alabama-Virginia Tech got a 2.4/8 share. Ohio State-USC, a pretty huge game, got a 4.1/13 share. I'm not going to look up a bunch of games, but here are the bowl games over the last few years: www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/tvratingsAll of which is to say, I hate ND, but they're probably one of the few profitable things NBC has going for it right now. (Of course, the numbers don't tell you that half the people tuning in are tuning in to watch ND lose, but what the hell does NBC care, as long as they're watching.
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