FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Jan 13, 2010 11:22:51 GMT -5
Last thing: why the moral outrage on Kiffin? Is stealing another team's HC only acceptable when it isn't from a BCS school? I think it's more of a one year thing. Does Kiffin have to rename his son now?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 13, 2010 13:20:25 GMT -5
I like this hire for USC, because I don't think much of it. I agree with SF that in the short term it will be fine, but Kiffin is totally unproven as a head coach at any level. The only benefit to USC is Kiffin's strong USC connection, and his bringing pops Kiffin and Orgeron back with him (and maybe Chow - I guess we'll see). I think, though, they could have done a lot better. Heck, Kiffin couldn't even beat Slick Rick.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 13, 2010 14:09:59 GMT -5
IIRC, Woolridge decided first or, at the very least, we still wanted Woolridge after Hollis committed. In other words, he had an offer and turned us down.
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Post by RDF on Jan 13, 2010 14:21:07 GMT -5
I like this hire for USC, because I don't think much of it. I agree with SF that in the short term it will be fine, but Kiffin is totally unproven as a head coach at any level. The only benefit to USC is Kiffin's strong USC connection, and his bringing pops Kiffin and Orgeron back with him (and maybe Chow - I guess we'll see). I think, though, they could have done a lot better. Heck, Kiffin couldn't even beat Slick Rick. Completely disagree Rooter. Be careful judging someone based on records. For instance--Kiffin and Tennessee were in position to do something Florida and Texas were not--BEAT ALABAMA in Tuscaloosa. If not for 3 missed FG's and blocked FG--Kiffin would've changed the National Title picture completely. He also played UF tough in Swamp and did so with a mediocre team. He can recruit and in sports--it's all about TALENT. Fact he's willing to hire a great staff too--with USC's talent and the system in place so players don't have to learn new terminology/system, it's going to be a lot smoother then at Knoxville. I think this is a great hire for USC and Kiffin did a good job with the Raiders--about as good as anyone can do with that senile old fart running things. As for "ethics"--again I listened to Vitale BASH/TRASH Kiffin/Carroll last nigth while sucking up to Calipari--and if that's not a perfect example of being a hypocrite, I don't know what is? All I can say--just hope that Kiffin is still at USC by '14/15 seasons as I believe they have a home/home with TENNESSEE!!! Now that will be MUST SEE TV!! ;D
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 13, 2010 14:22:44 GMT -5
I think this is a great hire for USC and Kiffin did a good job with the Raiders--about as good as anyone can do with that senile old fart running things. As for "ethics"--again I listened to Vitale BASH/TRASH Kiffin/Carroll last nigth while sucking up to Calipari--and if that's not a perfect example of being a hypocrite, I don't know what is? To be fair to Vitale, he did say that Calipari was a "perfect fit" for Kentucky
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Post by kchoya on Jan 13, 2010 16:01:27 GMT -5
I like this hire for USC, because I don't think much of it. I agree with SF that in the short term it will be fine, but Kiffin is totally unproven as a head coach at any level. The only benefit to USC is Kiffin's strong USC connection, and his bringing pops Kiffin and Orgeron back with him (and maybe Chow - I guess we'll see). I think, though, they could have done a lot better. Heck, Kiffin couldn't even beat Slick Rick. Completely disagree Rooter. Be careful judging someone based on records. For instance--Kiffin and Tennessee were in position to do something Florida and Texas were not--BEAT ALABAMA in Tuscaloosa. If not for 3 missed FG's and blocked FG--Kiffin would've changed the National Title picture completely. He also played UF tough in Swamp and did so with a mediocre team. He can recruit and in sports--it's all about TALENT. Fact he's willing to hire a great staff too--with USC's talent and the system in place so players don't have to learn new terminology/system, it's going to be a lot smoother then at Knoxville. I think this is a great hire for USC and Kiffin did a good job with the Raiders--about as good as anyone can do with that senile old fart running things. As for "ethics"--again I listened to Vitale BASH/TRASH Kiffin/Carroll last nigth while sucking up to Calipari--and if that's not a perfect example of being a hypocrite, I don't know what is? All I can say--just hope that Kiffin is still at USC by '14/15 seasons as I believe they have a home/home with TENNESSEE!!! No w that will be MUST SEE TV!! ;D Do you really think he'll be at SC in the 2014 season?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 13, 2010 20:22:58 GMT -5
As for "ethics"--again I listened to Vitale BASH/TRASH Kiffin/Carroll last nigth while sucking up to Calipari--and if that's not a perfect example of being a hypocrite, I don't know what is? Hey, hey, hey. Vitale's not a hypocrite, he's a whore. Calipari wins by cheating, Calipari makes money for wins, Calipari donates money to Vitale endorsed charities, Vitale says Calipari is a wonderful man. As for Kiffin, can we just say it's too early to tell whether this will be a good decision or not? We've got two seasons of head coaching experience to go on. It seems obvious he was hired more for his ability to bring in a great staff (BTW, did the Vols have a chance to win in Tuscaloosa because of Lane's coaching or Monte Kiffin's defense?) than his track record as a HC. That said, I think Kiffin's a better hire than the other names SC put out there.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 13, 2010 21:42:02 GMT -5
I like this hire for USC, because I don't think much of it. I agree with SF that in the short term it will be fine, but Kiffin is totally unproven as a head coach at any level. The only benefit to USC is Kiffin's strong USC connection, and his bringing pops Kiffin and Orgeron back with him (and maybe Chow - I guess we'll see). I think, though, they could have done a lot better. Heck, Kiffin couldn't even beat Slick Rick. Completely disagree Rooter. Be careful judging someone based on records. For instance--Kiffin and Tennessee were in position to do something Florida and Texas were not--BEAT ALABAMA in Tuscaloosa. If not for 3 missed FG's and blocked FG--Kiffin would've changed the National Title picture completely. He also played UF tough in Swamp and did so with a mediocre team. He can recruit and in sports--it's all about TALENT. Fact he's willing to hire a great staff too--with USC's talent and the system in place so players don't have to learn new terminology/system, it's going to be a lot smoother then at Knoxville. I think this is a great hire for USC and Kiffin did a good job with the Raiders--about as good as anyone can do with that senile old fart running things. As for "ethics"--again I listened to Vitale BASH/TRASH Kiffin/Carroll last nigth while sucking up to Calipari--and if that's not a perfect example of being a hypocrite, I don't know what is? All I can say--just hope that Kiffin is still at USC by '14/15 seasons as I believe they have a home/home with TENNESSEE!!! Now that will be MUST SEE TV!! ;D Well, we can just agree to disagree, and we'll know in a few years. I think USC should have gone after Chuckie. There's no guarantee they could get him, but take a shot. Maybe Kiffin will do great at USC - it's possible. OTOH, I think it's indisputable that he's unproven as a head coach. I don't hold his Raider experience against him, since Davis is crazy, but I don't see how it can be characterized as positive. And I don't give him a lot of credit for the Alabama game, either. I think Alabama likely took Tennessee lightly, because they hadn't beaten anybody coming into that game. That's a benefit that Kiffin will never have at USC. I just think USC should have gone after coaches who have been proven successful at a major program. I'm sure they could have gotten somebody who fits that description. BTW - I hope fervently that I'm right and you're wrong. ;D
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Post by Elvado on Jan 14, 2010 12:59:10 GMT -5
As for "ethics"--again I listened to Vitale BASH/TRASH Kiffin/Carroll last nigth while sucking up to Calipari--and if that's not a perfect example of being a hypocrite, I don't know what is? Hey, hey, hey. Vitale's not a hypocrite, he's a whore. Calipari wins by cheating, Calipari makes money for wins, Calipari donates money to Vitale endorsed charities, Vitale says Calipari is a wonderful man. As for Kiffin, can we just say it's too early to tell whether this will be a good decision or not? We've got two seasons of head coaching experience to go on. It seems obvious he was hired more for his ability to bring in a great staff (BTW, did the Vols have a chance to win in Tuscaloosa because of Lane's coaching or Monte Kiffin's defense?) than his track record as a HC. That said, I think Kiffin's a better hire than the other names SC put out there. Kiffin should thank Vitale. Who the hell wants praise from the man who regularly extols the virtues of his dear departed gangster friend Valvano.
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 14, 2010 22:43:38 GMT -5
Cutcliffe to TN, Skip Holtz to USF
2 more jobs to fill now - Duke and ECU.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 14, 2010 22:44:50 GMT -5
Cutcliffe to TN, Skip Holtz to USF 2 more jobs to fill now - Duke and ECU. Leach to ECU would be fitting...
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 15, 2010 12:59:27 GMT -5
Apparently USC did go after Chuckie. Reports in LA are that talks broke down because USC didn't want to let Chuckie hire his own staff. Un, excuse me? Really?
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 15, 2010 13:31:24 GMT -5
Cutcliffe backed out on UT.
Sounds like Derek Dooley from LaTech is their next option.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 15, 2010 13:34:39 GMT -5
Cutcliffe backed out on UT. Sounds like Derek Dooley from LaTech is their next option. beat me to it. i guess cutcliffe feels as if he can stay at duke as long as he wants. i dont think dooley had ever been a co-ordinator before getting the head coaching gig at la tech
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Post by hifigator on Jan 15, 2010 16:05:23 GMT -5
my quick thoughts:
If Tennessee thought that they had a long term coach in Kiffin, then they have no one to blame but themselves. But in fairness, one year was certainly unexpected. As for Dooley, whom I am 90% sure is a son of Vince Dooley, I don't know what to expect. I haven't really followed him at all. I don't discount him for not having made a name for himself yet. In fact, I think we are finally getting to the point where major programs think outside the box. Far too long coaches have been hired because of their previous coaching experience -- even if such experience was a bad thing. The success of coaches like Meyer among others, is a good thing. Guys like Patterson and Peterson should be getting more "big name" jobs very shortly.
As for USC, I think it's ironic that when USC is on the edge of getting NCAA sanctions, they hired Kiffin, otherwise known as a walking infraction. That'll really clean up the program. On the other hand, at least it will make it easier on the NCAA, not having to concentrate on both southern California and Knoxville at the same time.
Lastly, one caller had the novel idea of having one school go after both Leavitt and Leach as co-head coaches each focusing on his specialty -- offense and defense as the case may be. I know it will never happen, but I think that would be a pretty good formula for success.
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 18, 2010 19:50:28 GMT -5
Dooley is Vince's son. He was an asst. at Auburn (his dad's alma mater.) He is also an attorney.
Al Groh is at GT now as DC.
Hearing that Rick Stockstill from MTSU is possibly going to be the new ECU coach.
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Post by TigerHoya on Jan 19, 2010 15:37:15 GMT -5
Tennessee hires Kevin Steele as DC. Steele was Clemson's DC this past season and previously coached at FSU.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 19, 2010 21:02:30 GMT -5
Congratulations, Tennessee. You're the new Alabama! Now, who will your Mike Shula be....? And the Volunteers hire the son of a legendary coach with a thin resume... Stockstill turned down ECU. Weird.
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