2009 College Football Thread Sept 14, 2009 21:51:24 GMT -5
Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 14, 2009 21:51:24 GMT -5
hifi: whenever the #1 and #3 winningest programs in DI-A play each other, it's a big deal. From the uniforms to the fight songs to the lifelong fans and alumni who will pack the Big House on Saturday, Michigan-Notre Dame is a classic CFB experience.
Not that I'd expect a fan of a program yet to crack the all-time win list's top 20 to know that. Enjoy being the flavor of the week while it lasts.
It's ok to pump up the UM-ND game, but I think calling Florida the flavor of the week is going way too far. Sure the first two have longer, more storied histories, but UF has more college championships in the last 13-14 years than the other two have, combined, in the last 30+ years (and more than UM overall).
You're right, "flavor of the week" is a bit harsh -- if it wasn't obvious I was mainly trying to get under hifi's skin. Florida consistently had great teams in the 1990s under Spurrier, and they've had great teams under Urban Meyer as well.
In my opinion, a college football program has to consistently win conference championships, as well as a national championship every now and then, over a span of decades to be considered a great program.
Over the 30 year span you mention, Michigan has not slouched, winning at least a share of 13 conference championships. Florida has won 8 conference championships and lost in the SEC championship game twice. Considering it's difficult to win an outright title in the Big Ten, and impossible to share the title in the SEC, this is a bit of a difficult comparison. However, I don't think it would be inaccurate to say that, on average, over the span of the past thirty regular seasons, Florida's performance matches Michigan's and vice versa. If we reduced the sample size to the past 20 regular seasons, Florida would probably have a bit of an edge.
As far as national championships are concerned, it has certainly helped Florida that it has been a really, really good team at the dawn of the BCS era. Florida never lost a championship to a controversial final poll, as Notre Dame did in 1993. The Gators have never had a perfect season. One has to ask the question: under the old bowl system, could a one-loss Florida team have won a national championship by winning the Sugar Bowl in 2006? Probably not. I'm not at all saying Florida's championships are cheapened by the BCS -- the Gators were undoubtedly the superior team on the field in both national title games. However, you also have to wonder how many shots Michigan and Notre Dame would have had at a national championship under the BCS system in the 1980s and 1990s -- probably a lot.
Florida is a fine program, but IMO they've got to keep up the pace for at least 10 more years before being mentioned alongside Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama or even Ohio State in terms of all-time programs.
On a related note, it doesn't hurt to have awesome uniforms, a cool fight song, or nationally known traditions. Michigan and Notre Dame have these things in spades.
Although these things are matters of opinion, I think it's generally agreed that Florida falls short in the uniform and fight song categories. Painstakingly attempting to create tradition-ish things on campus, such as the Tebow Plaque, doesn't really help the Gators' cause either.
Week 3 Picks for Games That Matter:
Georgia Tech over Miami (Thursday)
Kentucky over Louisville for the Governor's Cup
Florida over Tennessee
Va. Tech over Nebraska
Notre Dame over Michigan State
Arizona over Iowa
Utah over Oregon
Cincinnati over Oregon State
BYU over Florida State
West Virginia over Auburn
Texas over Texas Tech (with AustinHoya03 in attendance)