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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 14, 2009 21:51:24 GMT -5
hifi: whenever the #1 and #3 winningest programs in DI-A play each other, it's a big deal. From the uniforms to the fight songs to the lifelong fans and alumni who will pack the Big House on Saturday, Michigan-Notre Dame is a classic CFB experience. Not that I'd expect a fan of a program yet to crack the all-time win list's top 20 to know that. Enjoy being the flavor of the week while it lasts. It's ok to pump up the UM-ND game, but I think calling Florida the flavor of the week is going way too far. Sure the first two have longer, more storied histories, but UF has more college championships in the last 13-14 years than the other two have, combined, in the last 30+ years (and more than UM overall). You're right, "flavor of the week" is a bit harsh -- if it wasn't obvious I was mainly trying to get under hifi's skin. Florida consistently had great teams in the 1990s under Spurrier, and they've had great teams under Urban Meyer as well. In my opinion, a college football program has to consistently win conference championships, as well as a national championship every now and then, over a span of decades to be considered a great program. Over the 30 year span you mention, Michigan has not slouched, winning at least a share of 13 conference championships. Florida has won 8 conference championships and lost in the SEC championship game twice. Considering it's difficult to win an outright title in the Big Ten, and impossible to share the title in the SEC, this is a bit of a difficult comparison. However, I don't think it would be inaccurate to say that, on average, over the span of the past thirty regular seasons, Florida's performance matches Michigan's and vice versa. If we reduced the sample size to the past 20 regular seasons, Florida would probably have a bit of an edge. As far as national championships are concerned, it has certainly helped Florida that it has been a really, really good team at the dawn of the BCS era. Florida never lost a championship to a controversial final poll, as Notre Dame did in 1993. The Gators have never had a perfect season. One has to ask the question: under the old bowl system, could a one-loss Florida team have won a national championship by winning the Sugar Bowl in 2006? Probably not. I'm not at all saying Florida's championships are cheapened by the BCS -- the Gators were undoubtedly the superior team on the field in both national title games. However, you also have to wonder how many shots Michigan and Notre Dame would have had at a national championship under the BCS system in the 1980s and 1990s -- probably a lot. Florida is a fine program, but IMO they've got to keep up the pace for at least 10 more years before being mentioned alongside Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama or even Ohio State in terms of all-time programs. ____________________________________ On a related note, it doesn't hurt to have awesome uniforms, a cool fight song, or nationally known traditions. Michigan and Notre Dame have these things in spades. Although these things are matters of opinion, I think it's generally agreed that Florida falls short in the uniform and fight song categories. Painstakingly attempting to create tradition-ish things on campus, such as the Tebow Plaque, doesn't really help the Gators' cause either. ____________________________ Week 3 Picks for Games That Matter: Georgia Tech over Miami (Thursday) Kentucky over Louisville for the Governor's Cup Florida over Tennessee Va. Tech over Nebraska Notre Dame over Michigan State Arizona over Iowa Utah over Oregon Cincinnati over Oregon State BYU over Florida State West Virginia over Auburn Texas over Texas Tech (with AustinHoya03 in attendance)
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 15, 2009 5:59:13 GMT -5
my 'storied' program has beaten florida twice in bowls the last decade. once in the 2003 outback bowl and then again in the 2008 capital one bowl (with his god tebow at qb and meyer as coach). michigan has a great record against the sec, it's the pac 10, sweater vest, and I-AA teams they struggle with. Hmmm, wins in the Outback and Capital One bowls versus two national championships this decade. I know which one I'd take. so, head to head wins don't count? well, talk to me when florida gets to 11 then. they'll probably get another this year playing that high school schedule. hey kc, when did you become hifi's little lap dog?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 15, 2009 7:04:43 GMT -5
Hmmm, wins in the Outback and Capital One bowls versus two national championships this decade. I know which one I'd take. so, head to head wins don't count? well, talk to me when florida gets to 11 then. they'll probably get another this year playing that high school schedule. hey kc, when did you become hifi's little lap dog? I'm nobody's lapdog. I'm just calling you out. If I were to defend the Michigan program, would that make me your lapdog?
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 15, 2009 8:46:59 GMT -5
calling me out for what? saying michigan beat florida the two times (both in florida) they played recently? that is fact. i never said michigan is better than florida this year or was last year, but they were in '07-08.
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Post by Boz on Sept 15, 2009 9:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Sept 15, 2009 10:23:36 GMT -5
Nobody can brag with the BCS System if they have a loss--or two (LSU's horsecrap title) because it's so subjective and I'd argue we've yet to see the 2 BEST teams play in the title game since USC/Texas faced off. Last year UF and USC were--and it wasn't settled on the field. So you can talk crap all you want--but if you want to be honest--it's interesting that USC who gets TRASHED by so many SEC fans (not you all the time Hifi) seems to handle Michigan rather easily and Wolverines usually do very well against the SEC--as does Penn State.
Will ask you this--is it true that Florida has only played 10--yes TEN out of STATE non conference road games since WORLD WAR II? If that is true--that is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard of. Truly pathetic.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 15, 2009 10:44:47 GMT -5
Define relevant, despite not being good they still have legions of fans. therefore they're on tv. It's all about ratings, and they still get them to the best of my knowledge. Here are some numbers: 2007: 1.9 average rating / 5 share (ND record: 3-9) 2006: 3.0 average rating / 7 share (ND record 10-3) 2005: 3.6 average rating / 9 share (ND record 9-3) 2003: 2.4 average rating / 6 share (ND record 5-7) 2001: 2.4 average rating / 6 share (ND record 5-6) I'm pretty sure, depending on the number of households in the US with TVs, in the 2000s a full ratings point is in the neighborhood of 1 million households, probably a little bit more each year. The share is the percentage of course. I'm not an expert, but I'd guess that's pretty good, even in the bad years, for a college football team. By comparison, the ABC broadcast of Alabama-Virginia Tech got a 2.4/8 share. Ohio State-USC, a pretty huge game, got a 4.1/13 share. I'm not going to look up a bunch of games, but here are the bowl games over the last few years: www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/tvratingsAll of which is to say, I hate ND, but they're probably one of the few profitable things NBC has going for it right now. (Of course, the numbers don't tell you that half the people tuning in are tuning in to watch ND lose, but what the hell does NBC care, as long as they're watching. Boz, I see your point and understand that there's "something" in it for NBC. That being said, the sports fan in me doesn't have to like it. I am well within my rights to argue that many, many times, there is a far better game that is relegated to regional or small network broadcasts, while NBC airs Notre Dame vs. Navy or similar. Sure, this year's ND-Migh. game had a little extra interest due to the fact that expectations -- rightly or wrongly -- are for a strong turnaround for these two storied programs. As for real fan interest, I just wonder how the fan support today compares to in one of the Irish's heydays. Historically, ND had Nationwide support coming from its being THE relevant Catholic institution. It's my contention that such support still accounts for a lot of the viewers. But how big are these fans "ireally?" While larger in numbers, I don't think their support on average matches the masses that support Ohio St., Michigan, Texas or Florida for example. All that being said, I understand that NBC is merely in it for the money and I sadly recognize that to be a necessary evil. But I don't have to like it.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 15, 2009 11:08:35 GMT -5
Austin wrote:
Florida is a fine program, but IMO they've got to keep up the pace for at least 10 more years before being mentioned alongside Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama or even Ohio State in terms of all-time programs.
I wouldn't argue that particular point too much. Admittedly, those schools were much more prominent on the National scale much more earlier than Florida. Florida has 3 National Championships in the past 13 seasons along with 2 Heismans and 2 second place finishes for the statue in that period. I think that certainly puts them among the elite, but as you mention, if you go back in time, Florida doesn't have the same types of credentials on its resume. Incidentally, I don't know how this became a "Florida vs. Michigan" issue. My original comment was intended to simply point out how much hype would come for ND vs. Michigan and that much of that hype came from the "storied" programs past, not where they are now. I still stand by that opinion.
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Will ask you this--is it true that Florida has only played 10--yes TEN out of STATE non conference road games since WORLD WAR II? If that is true--that is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard of. Truly pathetic.
First off, I presume you are excluding Bowl games. If so, then that might be true. And I guess, technically Bowl games wouldn't be road games officially anyway. But in any case, we've been through this before. In FSU and Miami, Florida has 2 traditional powers right here in the state, that are not in the conference. When you add that to the standard conference schedule and the unique factor of the annual Georgia game being played in Jax., it's easier to see that there is little flexibility. Still, there's no question that the Gator fans down here would welcome a nice home and home with somebody.
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On a related note, it doesn't hurt to have awesome uniforms, a cool fight song, or nationally known traditions. Michigan and Notre Dame have these things in spades.
To each his own. I personally think that Notre Dame's white uniforms are plain. And those green ones they breeak out every now and then are god-awful ugly. Fight songs .... OK, I'll give you that one. Both are very easily recognized ... but isn't that just an offshoot of having been on TV so much for so long? Finally, you didn't mention their mascot, the Gay Leprechaun. I don't think that does much for their image.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 15, 2009 11:10:49 GMT -5
Austin wrote:
Florida is a fine program, but IMO they've got to keep up the pace for at least 10 more years before being mentioned alongside Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama or even Ohio State in terms of all-time programs.
I wouldn't argue that particular point too much. Admittedly, those schools were much more prominent on the National scale much more earlier than Florida. Florida has 3 National Championships in the past 13 seasons along with 2 Heismans and 2 second place finishes for the statue in that period. I think that certainly puts them among the elite, but as you mention, if you go back in time, Florida doesn't have the same types of credentials on its resume. Incidentally, I don't know how this became a "Florida vs. Michigan" issue. My original comment was intended to simply point out how much hype would come for ND vs. Michigan and that much of that hype came from the "storied" programs past, not where they are now. I still stand by that opinion.
RDF wrote:
Will ask you this--is it true that Florida has only played 10--yes TEN out of STATE non conference road games since WORLD WAR II? If that is true--that is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard of. Truly pathetic.
First off, I presume you are excluding Bowl games. If so, then that might be true. And I guess, technically Bowl games wouldn't be road games officially anyway. But in any case, we've been through this before. In FSU and Miami, Florida has 2 traditional powers right here in the state, that are not in the conference. When you add that to the standard conference schedule and the unique factor of the annual Georgia game being played in Jax., it's easier to see that there is little flexibility. Still, there's no question that the Gator fans down here would welcome a nice home and home with somebody.
austin wrote:
On a related note, it doesn't hurt to have awesome uniforms, a cool fight song, or nationally known traditions. Michigan and Notre Dame have these things in spades.
To each his own. I personally think that Notre Dame's white uniforms are plain. And those green ones they breeak out every now and then are god-awful ugly. Fight songs .... OK, I'll give you that one. Both are very easily recognized ... but isn't that just an offshoot of having been on TV so much for so long? Finally, you didn't mention their mascot, the Gay Leprechaun. I don't think that does much for their image.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Sept 15, 2009 11:51:09 GMT -5
ND is like the cowboys or yankees or duke basketball. you either love them or hate them. most of my hate these days is focused on that glorified qb coach they have as head coach. he writes a book called 'no excuses' but blames everyone else for his teams losses. until he stops trying to outcoach the room every game, they'll continue to struggle against any good team. hey, maybe they'll join the wac, they at least proved they can handle those teams.
hifi, how bad a beatdown is florida going to give kiffin saturday? i say meyer runs it up to about 56-10.
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Post by RDF on Sept 15, 2009 11:53:38 GMT -5
Florida has not and won't play Miami on a consistent basis. They space those games out--so that is pure MANURE. The UF/UM rivalry is more heated/has more hatred in it then FSU-UF and you can't pawn that off as a damn excuse Hifi.
That is a PATHETIC EXCUSE--and FSU/Miami have left their state NUMEROUS times for NON CONFERENCE GAMES--so what is the response to that?
Can you not just admit that Florida's approach is pathetic in terms of scheduling?
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 15, 2009 12:10:41 GMT -5
"much more earlier"? I see that hifi is showing off that fine Florida education again. ;D
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Post by hifigator on Sept 15, 2009 12:45:32 GMT -5
Hoyafan, I think it will get pretty ugly. The team has been focusing on this game all year and even though Meyer and his staff refuse to talk about any special animosity, at least publicly, I guarantee you there are a few things being said behind closed doors. I hope it just doesn't get dirty on either side -- late hits and the sort. Meyer really held back a lot of stuff in the first two games. The defense showed absolutely nothing in the first game. Literally, we played straight man or straight cover 2 without a single blitz. In the second game, he did mix it up a little, but nothing like we are capable of doing. Offensively, with the #1s in the game, we ran our straight offense. There were no trick plays and virtually no misdirection. And even the passing game was very limited. Granted, once the score gets out of hand, you tend to not run the other team's noses in it. But I think the bigger picture was for this week. I expect barage of schemes early and often this week. I really hope that Florida wins the toss, because we will defer and Tennessee will take the ball. If I were Tennessee, I would run a simple lead trap play or maybe a middle screen. I think Florida will come out with an 8 man front and if not a jailbreak, a strong run blitz. I expect that Tennessee will either start with their histoical bread and butter -- a standard lead play or, and this is what I really expect -- a play action pass. With the blitz that I expect, that will play right into our hands and Tennessee will be facing 2nd and 18, if they don't fumble. In any case, I think it will get ugly. Our team is just loaded all over the field. I'm telling you though: don't be late. It will start off in a very exciting way, one way or the other.
RDF: I haven't figured out if you are stubborn, dumb or forgetful. Which is it? We've covered this before. When the SEC went to an 8 game conference schedule, it essentially eliminated any possibility of more than 1 OOC annual home and home. FSU is that foe for Florida.
This is very simple. At that time, the NCAA only allowed a 12th game on falls that had 14 football Saturdays. In other words, they mandated that each team have 2 off weeks. At that point, Florida had 4 SEC home games and 4 SEC road games. But remember that one of those SEC games is in Jacksonville every year. In the odd years, the Jacksonville game is a Florida "home" game. So Florida has 4 SEC road contests and 1 game in Jacksonville. That leaves 6 games, all of which had to be played at home. In the even years, Florida has 3 "real" SEC road games along with the neutral game in Jacksonville, and a trip to Tallahassee. Again, that is 5 games away from the Swamp. That means that all other games have to be played in Gainesville. Prior to the SEC going to the 8th conference game, we were able to have more flexibility. In those days, we played Miami often. We also worked in pairings with the likes of USC and Syracuse, among others. But once the 8th game was adopted, the options for bringing in another foe are very simple:
1. Move the Georgia game out of Jacksonville -- that is frequently discussed, usually by the team on the short end of the stick recently. But personally, I love that game. It is just that special. Texas-Oklahoma is really the only game like it. I hope they never move it.
2. Take FSU off the schedule -- I don't know how seriously that was ever considered, but that really wouldn't accomplish anything. That would allow more games with a Miami at the expense of a game with FSU. It would do nothing to address the games with Citadel that dot the schedule.
3. Lose a home game -- the University will not consider it, like anything related to the government, once they get their grubby little paws on the money they won't let go of it for anything. In fairness, once they point out that it means over $4 Million to the University and who knows how much to the local community, it is hard to argue their logic.
That's it. Those were the only options.
Now fast forward. The NCAA authorizes a 12th game. The very first thing Florida does is try to get Miami to sign a long term contract. Miami doesn't want to, instead opting for some strange staggering of games over a 12 year period. Fair enough, as long as it allows us to bring in other quality foes. Unfortunately, it got back to the almighty dollar. The University penciled in a 7th game into the home schedule. Now they've got more money in their coffers and once again, getting them to give it up is impossible. So nothing ultimately changed in the long run except that we get another sub-par game. Finally, the one angle that gets overlooked in those lopsided games is that the lesser team jumps at the opportunity. They get their day in the sun, a little bit of exposure and most importantly a big paycheck that really benefits their program. No, I'm not claiming to be altruistic here, but seriously, it really, really matters to teams like that. Troy is a great example of a team that has built their program, largely from those butt-kickings. Now they are at a point where "big" schools really don't want them coming in. Though they haven't closed the deal yet, they had Georgia, FSU and LSU all on the ropes in recent years. Hell, they were up 31-3 against LSU for a few seconds, just last season.
Lastly, there is always some hint of a tone of Florida "dodging" Miami in these discussions. That simply isn't the case. Prior to the 8th SEC game, Florida consistently played Miami. After the 8th game was added, Florida scheduled Miami on all the 12 game seasons. Then when the 12 game was added permanently, Florida tried to add Miami to the schedule on a regular basis, but the Canes wouldn't go for it. And there was one more story to this. Back about 15 or so years ago, Florida and Miame were approached to play in one of those Kickoff or Pigskin classics. Florida said yes, but Miami declined. So while I am not going to lie and say that I cherish games like Charleston Southern and the Citadel, I'm not going to let someone suggest Florida hasn't tried to put Miami on the schedule a lot more. It has been Miami's decision not to play, not Florida's.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Sept 15, 2009 13:14:37 GMT -5
Hoyafan, I think it will get pretty ugly. The team has been focusing on this game all year and even though Meyer and his staff refuse to talk about any special animosity, at least publicly, I guarantee you there are a few things being said behind closed doors. I hope it just doesn't get dirty on either side -- late hits and the sort. Meyer really held back a lot of stuff in the first two games. The defense showed absolutely nothing in the first game. Literally, we played straight man or straight cover 2 without a single blitz. In the second game, he did mix it up a little, but nothing like we are capable of doing. Offensively, with the #1s in the game, we ran our straight offense. There were no trick plays and virtually no misdirection. And even the passing game was very limited. Granted, once the score gets out of hand, you tend to not run the other team's noses in it. But I think the bigger picture was for this week. I expect barage of schemes early and often this week. I really hope that Florida wins the toss, because we will defer and Tennessee will take the ball. If I were Tennessee, I would run a simple lead trap play or maybe a middle screen. I think Florida will come out with an 8 man front and if not a jailbreak, a strong run blitz. I expect that Tennessee will either start with their histoical bread and butter -- a standard lead play or, and this is what I really expect -- a play action pass. With the blitz that I expect, that will play right into our hands and Tennessee will be facing 2nd and 18, if they don't fumble. In any case, I think it will get ugly. Our team is just loaded all over the field. I'm telling you though: don't be late. It will start off in a very exciting way, one way or the other. RDF: I haven't figured out if you are stubborn, dumb or forgetful. Which is it? We've covered this before. When the SEC went to an 8 game conference schedule, it essentially eliminated any possibility of more than 1 OOC annual home and home. FSU is that foe for Florida. This is very simple. At that time, the NCAA only allowed a 12th game on falls that had 14 football Saturdays. In other words, they mandated that each team have 2 off weeks. At that point, Florida had 4 SEC home games and 4 SEC road games. But remember that one of those SEC games is in Jacksonville every year. In the odd years, the Jacksonville game is a Florida "home" game. So Florida has 4 SEC road contests and 1 game in Jacksonville. That leaves 6 games, all of which had to be played at home. In the even years, Florida has 3 "real" SEC road games along with the neutral game in Jacksonville, and a trip to Tallahassee. Again, that is 5 games away from the Swamp. That means that all other games have to be played in Gainesville. Prior to the SEC going to the 8th conference game, we were able to have more flexibility. In those days, we played Miami often. We also worked in pairings with the likes of USC and Syracuse, among others. But once the 8th game was adopted, the options for bringing in another foe are very simple: 1. Move the Georgia game out of Jacksonville -- that is frequently discussed, usually by the team on the short end of the stick recently. But personally, I love that game. It is just that special. Texas-Oklahoma is really the only game like it. I hope they never move it. 2. Take FSU off the schedule -- I don't know how seriously that was ever considered, but that really wouldn't accomplish anything. That would allow more games with a Miami at the expense of a game with FSU. It would do nothing to address the games with Citadel that dot the schedule. 3. Lose a home game -- the University will not consider it, like anything related to the government, once they get their grubby little paws on the money they won't let go of it for anything. In fairness, once they point out that it means over $4 Million to the University and who knows how much to the local community, it is hard to argue their logic. That's it. Those were the only options. Now fast forward. The NCAA authorizes a 12th game. The very first thing Florida does is try to get Miami to sign a long term contract. Miami doesn't want to, instead opting for some strange staggering of games over a 12 year period. Fair enough, as long as it allows us to bring in other quality foes. Unfortunately, it got back to the almighty dollar. The University penciled in a 7th game into the home schedule. Now they've got more money in their coffers and once again, getting them to give it up is impossible. So nothing ultimately changed in the long run except that we get another sub-par game. Finally, the one angle that gets overlooked in those lopsided games is that the lesser team jumps at the opportunity. They get their day in the sun, a little bit of exposure and most importantly a big paycheck that really benefits their program. No, I'm not claiming to be altruistic here, but seriously, it really, really matters to teams like that. Troy is a great example of a team that has built their program, largely from those butt-kickings. Now they are at a point where "big" schools really don't want them coming in. Though they haven't closed the deal yet, they had Georgia, FSU and LSU all on the ropes in recent years. Hell, they were up 31-3 against LSU for a few seconds, just last season. Lastly, there is always some hint of a tone of Florida "dodging" Miami in these discussions. That simply isn't the case. Prior to the 8th SEC game, Florida consistently played Miami. After the 8th game was added, Florida scheduled Miami on all the 12 game seasons. Then when the 12 game was added permanently, Florida tried to add Miami to the schedule on a regular basis, but the Canes wouldn't go for it. And there was one more story to this. Back about 15 or so years ago, Florida and Miame were approached to play in one of those Kickoff or Pigskin classics. Florida said yes, but Miami declined. So while I am not going to lie and say that I cherish games like Charleston Southern and the Citadel, I'm not going to let someone suggest Florida hasn't tried to put Miami on the schedule a lot more. It has been Miami's decision not to play, not Florida's. RDF - Hifi just served you.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 15, 2009 15:47:28 GMT -5
Braski really makes me long for the "ignore" feature to return. That being said, and just for kicks, I have no idea what you are talking about but if you want to service him, then go right ahead. Me? No thanks. I'm good.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Sept 15, 2009 16:39:54 GMT -5
Braski really makes me long for the "ignore" feature to return. That being said, and just for kicks, I have no idea what you are talking about but if you want to service him, then go right ahead. Me? No thanks. I'm good. Hifi, I have no idea what you are talking about but I think there's a misunderstanding. Brasky was actually trying to compliment you. Perhaps this will help: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you+got+served
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 15, 2009 21:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah, hifi; you're so accustomed to being criticized by Brasky, you didn't realize that was a compliment.
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Post by RDF on Sept 16, 2009 8:59:15 GMT -5
So in the years you have a "road" game with UGA---you technically play at "home" in Jacksonville--which is a Gator alumni stronghold.
1. Georgia plays Georgia Tech and Florida--yet they've got Oklahoma State and Arizona State on their schedule--found a way to leave the state. Oklahoma and Texas give up home games with their game--yet I see Oklahoma play BYU in Dallas, going to play at Miami, at Alabama, etc....or Texas who has played home/home with Ohio State, Arkansas, etc......and is that because they are "lesser" programs??
2. Miami has not ducked Florida at all--that is a fabrication. Florida said they had to help "other instate teams/programs" and thus you get FIU...and the "mighty Charleston Southern" on your schedule--where Miami had to get Charleston Southern AFTER Missouri backed out of a game they would've won rather easily last year.
3. How does this explain Urban Meyer saying to your "favorite announcer" Colin Cowherd in response to Cowherd's question as to why they don't at least go play a mid level BCS non conference team like a Baylor....
"Doubt Baylor wants to play in Swamp--because we're not doing home/home--University of Florida does NOT do that".
You can make excuses and provide false info--and the Miami comments of "not wanting Florida" are LAUGHABLE. You can say Miami has dropped off--but they have NEVER DUCKED anyone when it comes to scheduling--and specifically Florida--who they repeatedly have sought out to play for decades on an annual basis. I know the SEC is "so tough...." but it's just tiresome to hear/read excuses--because the fact your program hasn't left the state of Florida but 10 times for a non conference road game since World War II is beyond pathetic.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 16, 2009 11:36:06 GMT -5
You're confusing several issues.
WRT to Georgia, it is very simple. They are in exactly the same situation we are. The difference is that they are willing to have only 6 home games. I understand and respect that. I never said otherwise. In fact, I have said before that I would prefer to have only 6 home games every other year, in exchange for being able to bring in another quality opponent instead of a Charleston Southern. That being said, the University has written those 7 games into their budget and they aren't budging on the issue. I am not defending that from my fan perspective or from my interest in the sport itself. But I am defending it from a financial perspective. If Miami had the stadium we have and if it was on campus and if they always sold out the seats, then I think they too would have a similar view. But the fact is they don't have nearly the financial windfall from "home" games. (Hint: think Verizon Center, but on a much larger scale)
As to the "strength of schedule" issue, that is not an argument that Florida makes. That is an argument that critics of Florida make, when they see such weak OOC opponents. In defense of that argument, Florida would take the position that if you play in the SEC and play FSU yearly, then you don't need to defend your schedule. There is a difference between the aggressive position of "we can't afford another tough game because of our difficult schedule" and the passive defense that "we don't need to apologize for our schedule because we are in the SEC and play FSU every year."
Next, you totally ignored the facts and focused on emotion. I explained in very simple terms why Florida couldn't play Miami anymore every year after the SEC added the 8th conference game. It's all about the MONEY! What part of that don't you understand? It has NOTHING, ZIP, Zilch to do with trying to avoid anyone for fear of losing ... at least for fear of losing a game. It has to do with fear of losing revenue. Then I pointed out that when the 12th game was added, Florida wanted to play Miami every year. It was Miami that didn't want to, opting instead for the spread out contests that we now have. Ultimately, what that resulted in was Florida filling its schedule with a couple of patsies, "in the mean time." But unfortunately, what that resulted in is the University getting their hands on that money. And as I said, once you get to that point, they ain't about to give it up.
As for the question of Baylor, they (and virtually all other BCS conference teams) aren't going to come play in G'ville without a return home game. I can't say that I blame them, but once again, it is all about the money.
Lastly, I like the way that you conveniently ignore the fact that over the past 15 or so years, it has been Florida that has been trying to play Miami more often and the Canes that have elected not to. The odd part is to then claim that we are "ducking" you.
The undeniable example of this was the proposed kickoff/pigskin classic. Florida was ready to go, but Miami said no thanks.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 16, 2009 12:02:52 GMT -5
Florida wanted to play Miami every year but only if it included "neutral" games in Orlando or Tampa. Given that there would be nothing neutral about those games, Miami declined.
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