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Post by hifigator on Sept 28, 2009 23:39:35 GMT -5
RDF, we can agree to disagree here. I'm not the Favre apologist. I did think that in his 2nd (I think) to last season at Green Bay, he took undue heat, simply because of the landslide of injuries that the Packers encountered -- specifically, to the wide receivers. And I also think that his "legacy" is a bit inflated in much the same way that the music from musicians who die an early and untimely death is mysteriously elevated and overrated. (Note: think Kurt Cobain, as an example).
But in all seriousness, I don't think that he's deserving of much criticism for yesterday's performance. In addition to all the "successful" plays during crunch time in the closing minutes, Farve also had at least two other big plays called back by penalties. It's a part of the game, I know, but you have to admit that those flags made the team's success all that less likely. And of course it is a team game that ultimately falls back on the QB, right?
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Post by RDF on Sept 29, 2009 0:36:16 GMT -5
The guy gets all the credit for the phony rah rah bullcrap like his "fake block" he likes to do-and let me tell you something-he tries that crap this week--someone is going to knee him in the damn throat. It's a phony bullcrap play that he knows will get him the attention he craves.
As for him throwing picks and stupid passes--if you are going to praise the guy--then the reality of his horrific decision making has to come into play. I'm all for entertainment but there is a reason guys like him are always in need of a "last second play" and it's often due to their horse**** play over the rest of the game.
The greatest QB's did it when they had to--but often were in control and led teams to victory by playing 2nd fiddle. Bumpkin Boy can't do that--and his lack of work ethic will show as season progresses. His legs are crap now--he was so damn winded it was embarrassing--and that is simply due to the fact he won't do what is expected of someone at the position of QB in the offseason. Is he fun to watch? Sure. Just think the guy never gets crap for the clown plays and putting his team in position to lose as much as he does put them in position to win--which is all you hear.
Just wish Patrick Willis would've removed his teeth one by one after that fake block/look at me play he did yesterday. Minute he rushes downfield looking for a cheapshot--defense should seek him out and try to end his career by blasting his old behind and taking him out. He wants to be a "football player"-that means he's fair game and despite the fines/media outrage that would come to the player who did it--there would be a large portion of fans who would like to see this waffling hillbilly get what he has coming to him for the phony "everyday man" ACT he's put on for years.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 29, 2009 11:50:57 GMT -5
RDF are you saying you don't wear Wranglers or play sandlot football on a rain-soaked field?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Oct 4, 2009 18:54:25 GMT -5
Peyton Manning continues to cut that meat, now 3rd all-time in TDs and one game away from being 5th in all-time yards. Patriots seem to be rounding into top form; the win over Baltimore proves they're still one of the top teams to beat. NOLA removed any doubt that they are for real, in my opinion, with their win over the Jets. Niners will cruise easily to the NFC West title. Denver is better than I thought...
What in the world happened to the Titans?
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Post by RDF on Oct 4, 2009 23:01:14 GMT -5
Why is Denver better then you thought? Who have they beaten? Best team they've faced is Cincy--DALLAS SUCKS.
Until some "experts" in media actually start explaining who on the Cowboys is "talented"--I'm going to question the validity of their "Talent". I can think of a handful of players on the entire roster i'd want. Romo is going to catch heat for this year's failures--but the problem is you have a team who has ZERO SPEED at WR---cuts a guy who scored 38 TD's in 3 years with a clown from Texas (Roy Williams) as his replacement--when reality is Williams is more Keyshawn Johnson--although not as tough or good--and teams play press coverage due to the lack of speed. Any team's who best receiving threat is the TE is not worth dick. Their most explosive player (Felix Jones) is too fragile and can't make it 4 plays without limping.
Until Jerry Jones dies/removes himself from decision making--this team won't win anything.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Oct 5, 2009 5:52:39 GMT -5
i was very impressed by denver defensively. they really get after it, making romo wet himself several times when under pressure. going after the champ over and over again is not a good idea. then again, if roy williams maybe could grow a set and get on the field at crunch time....
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Post by guru on Oct 5, 2009 8:30:12 GMT -5
i was very impressed by denver defensively. they really get after it, making romo wet himself several times when under pressure. going after the champ over and over again is not a good idea. then again, if roy williams maybe could grow a set and get on the field at crunch time.... Denver is Washington last year and the Lions the year before that - the team that starts fast out of nowhere but ends the season pretty much where you'd expect them to. They'll start losing winnable games soon - as for Dallas, RDF is right, they're just not very good. They're about a 7-9 team
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Post by Boz on Oct 5, 2009 8:40:50 GMT -5
I agree with RDF that Dallas is really not all that good. They're considered good for three reasons. One, they play in the media darling NFC East. Two, their name is "Dallas Cowboys." Three, they have a new stadium, which is somehow supposed to impart some extra skill to the team, I guess.
That said, 4-0 is 4-0, I don't care who Denver has played. Yes, they've gotten lucky and their toughest part of the schedule is still coming up (Pats, Chargers, Ravens and Steelers all coming up in the next five weeks).
If they come out of that 4-4, maybe they're a fraud. But you have to give them credit for beating everyone they've faced so far, particularly when no one thought they'd be anything before the season started.
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With respect to Ravens-Pats, I am encouraged, even though Mark Clayton screwed the pooch on 4th down. The Pats played their best game of the season to date, the Ravens literally gave up points on two turnovers (they got some of that back with the Brady sack for a TD), and handed the Pats even more points with two awful personal fouls*, and they still were one bobbled pass away from winning the game. I like the Ravens chances if there is a rematch in the post-season.
*Unlike Ed Reed & Ray Lewis, I am not going to blame the loss on bad calls, but there is a point to be made here. The personal foul calls against QBs are really getting out of hand (and NE got one called against them as well). You might as well put a red practice jersey on these guys during games.
Hell, even Trent Dilfer said he was ashamed as a quarterback about how much the league coddles the QBs.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 5, 2009 10:05:10 GMT -5
Yeah, that Ravens-Pats game was just quite entertaining. As someone who didn't have a dog in the fight, it was disappointing to have the outcome essentially decided by a couple of bad calls and a couple of dropped passes. The vast majority of the game was just too "good" of a game. It's a shame that it came down to a couple of "missed free throws" and a phantom "charging" call.
As for Denver, like Boz said, we'll know a lot more in a few weeks. One of the National radio guys was pointing out that Denver was about to start a 7 game losing streak. He's just not very sold on them. But if they can steal even 1 of the next 4, then they will be a t 5-3 and have a couple of more manageable games on the horizon.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 5, 2009 11:46:11 GMT -5
No team this season will have a softer patch than consecutive games against the Rams, Lions and Bucs, and the Skins were fortunate to go 2-1. Are they really this bad? Also, Titans -
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Post by hifigator on Oct 5, 2009 13:44:13 GMT -5
rooter, you make a great point. But it's not unique to the Redskins. There are some decent/good teams with bad records. You mention the Titans, and they certainly make that list. The Dolphins are also a decent team with little to show. They should have beaten the Colts, but came up short. They had to open with the Falcons, in Atlanta I think. Then after a Monday night game against the Colts, they had to fly across the Country to play the Chargers. That was just a brutal schedule to start with.
Then on the other end of the spectrum, there's Denver at 4-0, Cincinnati at 3-1 and San Francisco at 3-1. I'm not really sold on any of those teams, although I do think that the Niners are a lock playoff team, due to their division.
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Post by whatmaroon on Oct 5, 2009 14:46:31 GMT -5
Just to clarify, the Titans are NOT a good team. Right now, I'm skeptical they're even average. The run D is stout, but any marginally competent quarterback will be able to shred the pass efense. They're not getting any pressure rushing 4, and they can't cover enough not to give up big plays if you bring extra guys.
Offensively, they've been built around the run game, but they haven't gotten consistent yards against anybody all year-ignore Johnson's gaudy ypc stats and look at something like Success Rate. 1st and 2nd down runs result in 3&8, and this team doesn't have the talent at QB or WR to convert 3&8 regularly. Fans are calling for VY to start, but Collins' play is no higher than 6th or 8th on the list of "Problems that absolutely have to be fixed if the Titans want to save their season" and anybody who thinks VY is accurate should undergo psychological testing. After they lose at home to Indy and at New England the next two weeks, go ahead and start him after the bye, because at 0-6 there's no reason not to.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 5, 2009 14:53:52 GMT -5
whatmaroon, I just can't think that they have gone from as solid and well coached of a team as they were last year, to what we see on the field this year. I have been saying for years that I think that Fisher is probably the most underrated coach in the NFL. Now I'm not so sure, because he has started getting more recognition over the past season. What has it resulted in? The trainwreck we see on the field.
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Post by whatmaroon on Oct 5, 2009 15:20:48 GMT -5
whatmaroon, I just can't think that they have gone from as solid and well coached of a team as they were last year, to what we see on the field this year. I have been saying for years that I think that Fisher is probably the most underrated coach in the NFL. Now I'm not so sure, because he has started getting more recognition over the past season. What has it resulted in? The trainwreck we see on the field. A bunch of things. Defensive starters yesterday (I'll list all 12, since I'm not sure if they started in nickel or base): DE: Jevon Kearse (33), Kyle Vanden Bosch (30) DT: Tony Brown (29), Jovan Haye (27) LB: Keith Bulluck (32), David Thornton (30), Stephen Tulloch (24) CB: Nick Harper (35), Jason McCourty (22), Ryan Mouton (23) S: Michael Griffin (24), Chris Hope (29) That's 5 guys who are 30+ and 2 more at 29, while McCourty and Mouton are rookies starting because of injuries. None of the front 4 can beat anybody 4v5-KVB used to be able to, and Haynesworth could beat even double teams. They're playing more Tulloch in the nickel, but it's been Thornton and Bulluck and they can't run like they used to, plus they got used to overcommitting in their zones because the pass rush would force quicker decisions. The fix for that has been to play less aggressively, which isn't a great fix. And, Griffin and Hope have been awful this year, biting hard on everything. I don't know if you saw the PIT game, but two plays at the end of the first half were a good example of what's been going on. On the first play, Bulluck had the underneath middle, but overcommitted to Miller on the offensive right side. This cleared up the area for Ward to run a drag from left to right and pick up lots of yardage over the middle. Hope came down from his offensive left side safety position, but too late to get Ward. Next play, they show the same look of Ward on the drag. BenR pump-fakes, freezing both Bulluck and Hope (Titans in Cover-2 again here). Griffin, the other deep safety, doesn't notice Hope bite on the pump fake and releases Holmes to Hope's area, leaving him wide open in the end zone. Good instant recognition by Steeler OC Arians, but that's 3 guys, 2 Pro Bowl-type veterans, screwing up on the same play.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 5, 2009 20:36:26 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by Miami. I thought they won last year with smoke and mirrors, and they've had a very rough schedule to start the season. I also think the 49ers are legit. They should probably be 4-0.
And despite whatmaroon's cogent analysis, I'm still stunned by the Titans. If someone had told me four weeks ago that they would lose to Houston and get blown out by J'ville, I would have said that was absurd. And now they get the Colts and the Patriots? Oy vey.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 6, 2009 6:12:07 GMT -5
Bret Favre - what a man.
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Post by theexorcist on Oct 6, 2009 7:47:15 GMT -5
I didn't know you liked Salt 'n Pepa.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 6, 2009 10:44:06 GMT -5
Did anyone hear what happened in the Vikings-Packers game? I must have missed it.
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Post by Boz on Oct 8, 2009 11:11:26 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Oct 8, 2009 11:28:52 GMT -5
That's great stuff. Sometimes you can count on the onion to come through!
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