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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 23, 2009 15:48:53 GMT -5
Conservative intellectual Andrew Sullivan gave some delicious bait for snarks. Consider the implications of her speaking before a group of Francophiles in Red China or how her major "speechifying" criticism of Obama has given way to an apparent career of professional speaking engagements.
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Post by Boz on Sept 23, 2009 15:50:20 GMT -5
Andrew Sullivan? Conservative?
Nahhh, not so much.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 23, 2009 15:53:11 GMT -5
Andrew Sullivan? Conservative? Nahhh, not so much. I am going by his self-identification as a conservative, a label which has not changed despite the Republican Party's movement toward Bolivian, to borrow a Mike Tysonism. I would like to think that the current Republican Party does not represent the values of conservatives (or liberals, for that matter).
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Post by Boz on Sept 23, 2009 17:10:31 GMT -5
For as wrong as Sarah Palin was, let's not ignore the fact that Barack Obama missed no opportunity today to blast the Bush administration in front of the U.N.
This is pretty unbecoming for a President, and it is beginning to grow very tiresome for this country and every embarrassing to many of us.
The worst jab -- which has been all over the conservative blogs today -- was this:
For those who question the character and cause of my nation, I ask you to look at the concrete actions we have taken in just nine months.
I guess Michelle was right. We really never should have been proud of our country until you became President, Oh Great One!!
Please.
(And then, after this really poor phrase, he went on to list a whole bunch of things that really were not accomplishments at all).
For once, I'd like this President to go before an international audience and speak of the greatness of our nation, not just because he's President, but throughout our history. I have really yet to hear anything of the sort.
Or maybe he could tell the UN how data shows that as recently as 2006, the United States was the only nation in the world to expand it's economy while reducing harmful emissions. But God forbid he ever say anything nice about his predecessor.
You can say what you want about Sarah Palin, and I don't really disagree, but this is bush league (no pun intended) for the President. It really should stop.
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 23, 2009 18:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 24, 2009 0:02:24 GMT -5
Sources advise that Palin was able to see Russia from China.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 24, 2009 8:27:08 GMT -5
For once, I'd like this President to go before an international audience and speak of the greatness of our nation, not just because he's President, but throughout our history. I have really yet to hear anything of the sort. Where does this insecurity come from? A great nation does not need to tell others of its own greatness.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 24, 2009 8:59:38 GMT -5
For once, I'd like this President to go before an international audience and speak of the greatness of our nation, not just because he's President, but throughout our history. I have really yet to hear anything of the sort. Where does this insecurity come from? A great nation does not need to tell others of its own greatness. One school of thought for the relationship of the United States to the world is the profoundly apologetic one, which consistently apologizes and calls the United States a horrible, evil country, which has made many mistakes. The other school of thought is perfectly articulated in Ghostbusters II with the line "Kitten, I think what I'm saying, is that sometimes, **** happens, someone has to deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" Every so often, the US needs to remind complaining countries that we're the go-to guy for fixing problems.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 24, 2009 9:49:58 GMT -5
One school of thought for the relationship of the United States to the world is the profoundly apologetic one, which consistently apologizes and calls the United States a horrible, evil country, which has made many mistakes. The other school of thought is perfectly articulated in Ghostbusters II with the line "Kitten, I think what I'm saying, is that sometimes, **** happens, someone has to deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" Every so often, the US needs to remind complaining countries that we're the go-to guy for fixing problems. I've yet to hear any U.S. president or government official describe the U.S. a "horrible, evil country." Recognizing and admitting your own faults is a sign of maturity and self-awareness. Being blind to those faults, or trying to pretend they don't exist, while trumpeting your own greatness, is the Terrell Owens school of thought. Your last line is perfectly reasonable. Which is why, I think, Obama said the following: ...But make no mistake: This cannot solely be America's endeavor.
Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world's problems alone. We have sought in word and deed a new era of engagement with the world, and now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.
If we are honest with ourselves, we need to admit that we are not living up to that responsibility.The "we" in the last sentence and the "us" in the sentence before that do not refer to the U.S. but to world leaders in general. America shouldn't be the sole go-to guy for solving world problems - such a dynamic is good for neither the U.S. nor the rest of the world.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 24, 2009 9:56:55 GMT -5
One school of thought for the relationship of the United States to the world is the profoundly apologetic one, which consistently apologizes and calls the United States a horrible, evil country, which has made many mistakes. The other school of thought is perfectly articulated in Ghostbusters II with the line "Kitten, I think what I'm saying, is that sometimes, **** happens, someone has to deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" Every so often, the US needs to remind complaining countries that we're the go-to guy for fixing problems. I've yet to hear any U.S. president or government official describe the U.S. a "horrible, evil country." Recognizing and admitting your own faults is a sign of maturity and self-awareness. Being blind to those faults, or trying to pretend they don't exist, while trumpeting your own greatness, is the Terrell Owens school of thought. Your last line is perfectly reasonable. Which is why, I think, Obama said the following: ...But make no mistake: This cannot solely be America's endeavor.
Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the world's problems alone. We have sought in word and deed a new era of engagement with the world, and now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.
If we are honest with ourselves, we need to admit that we are not living up to that responsibility.The "we" in the last sentence and the "us" in the sentence before that do not refer to the U.S. but to world leaders in general. America shouldn't be the sole go-to guy for solving world problems - such a dynamic is good for neither the U.S. nor the rest of the world. To be honest, I just wanted to use one of the better movie quotes of all time. The rest was just filler.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 24, 2009 10:06:58 GMT -5
To be honest, I just wanted to use one of the better movie quotes of all time. The rest was just filler. Hahahaha well in that case, well done. Personally, I've been waiting for years to find the right talkboard context in which I could spring "American components, Russian components - ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!"
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 24, 2009 10:49:57 GMT -5
Where does this insecurity come from? A great nation does not need to tell others of its own greatness. One school of thought for the relationship of the United States to the world is the profoundly apologetic one, which consistently apologizes and calls the United States a horrible, evil country, which has made many mistakes. The other school of thought is perfectly articulated in Ghostbusters II with the line "Kitten, I think what I'm saying, is that sometimes, **** happens, someone has to deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" Every so often, the US needs to remind complaining countries that we're the go-to guy for fixing problems. You missed the other school of thought which is: we're incapable of making a mistake, even if everyone knows that it was a mistake and not admitting things make us look like we're morons or delusional or both. I'm a big fan of the middle of the road. We're the nicest world hegemon the world has had to my mind, and yes, we do the world a whole lotta good. I think I'm a relatively good person and I try my best. But it doesn't mean I don't apologize for things I view as mistakes.
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Post by Boz on Sept 24, 2009 10:51:11 GMT -5
To be honest, I just wanted to use one of the better movie quotes of all time. The rest was just filler. Hahahaha well in that case, well done. Personally, I've been waiting for years to find the right talkboard context in which I could spring "American components, Russian components - ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!" You should be sent to Camp X-Ray for quoting that movie.
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