The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Jul 7, 2009 10:36:40 GMT -5
You're aware that Sarah Palin never actually said this, right? And Al Gore never said he invented the internet. Sometimes those things just enter our collective memory.
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DrumsGoBang
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Jul 7, 2009 10:59:23 GMT -5
She actually said this "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
Oh no, Putin's head has learned to fly!!!
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jul 7, 2009 11:13:24 GMT -5
haha, just rewatched that painfully bad couric interview. i don't know what to say -- i consider myself a conservative but i cringe at the thought of palin being the spokesperson for the party.
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 7, 2009 11:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by The Stig on Jul 7, 2009 12:08:13 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.aspA letter from the people who actually did invent the internet: amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0009/msg00311.html"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening."
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 7, 2009 12:29:20 GMT -5
www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.aspA letter from the people who actually did invent the internet: amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0009/msg00311.html"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening." I respect Vint Cerf, but Gore did not make a straightforward statement. He could have said, "I supported the creation of the internet before it was fashionable". If I said "I took the initative in creating X", any reasonable person would assume that I meant that I created X.
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Post by Filo on Jul 7, 2009 12:29:29 GMT -5
It's still amazing it's mostly (but not all) liberals in general, liberal on this board, and liberals in the press who insist Sarah Palin should go away. They say she's not well informed. Same thing they said about Ronald Reagan. I am pretty much in your "but not all" category. As are some others: haha, just rewatched that painfully bad couric interview. i don't know what to say -- i consider myself a conservative but i cringe at the thought of palin being the spokesperson for the party.
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Post by thebin on Jul 7, 2009 12:44:57 GMT -5
I'm no leftist and Palin held nothing in store for the GOP but abject and deserving humiliation at the polls so long as she was even possibly a GOP standard bearer. Good riddance. Now let's stop being the party for the proudly ignorant masses who won't stop shouting about this being the greatest country in the world even though they've never been anywhere else.
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 7, 2009 12:56:41 GMT -5
I'm no leftist and Palin held nothing in store for the GOP but abject and deserving humiliation at the polls so long as she was even possibly a GOP standard bearer. Good riddance. Now let's stop being the part for the proudly ignorant masses who won't stop shouting about this being the greatest country in the world even though they've never been anywhere else. There has yet to be a country held to a higher standard, whose election debates continually focus on how to make the world, not just its own citizens better, and whose economy is by far the titan in the world. If you don't like it, Delta is ready when you are.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 7, 2009 13:11:26 GMT -5
Now let's stop being the part for the proudly ignorant masses who won't stop shouting about this being the greatest country in the world even though they've never been anywhere else. One can be proud of being American without having seen the world. By recent estimates, as many as 70% of Americans do not own a passport, and most of these never will. In any one year, less than 10 million out of a population of 300 million will travel overseas.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jul 7, 2009 13:17:56 GMT -5
Now let's stop being the part for the proudly ignorant masses who won't stop shouting about this being the greatest country in the world even though they've never been anywhere else. One can be proud of being American without having seen the world. By recent estimates, as many as 70% of Americans do not own a passport, and most of these never will. In any one year, less than 10 million out of a population of 300 million will travel overseas. I don't think thebin is challenging the possibility of it. His comments, I think, had more to do with the efficacy of it. On that point, I think he has hit paydirt.
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 7, 2009 13:21:08 GMT -5
One can be proud of being American without having seen the world. By recent estimates, as many as 70% of Americans do not own a passport, and most of these never will. In any one year, less than 10 million out of a population of 300 million will travel overseas. I don't think thebin is challenging the possibility of it. His comments, I think, had more to do with the efficacy of it. On that point, I think he has hit paydirt. That's really specious logic. By its full extent, unless you've been to every country in the world, you can't judge the US as the best of them all.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 7, 2009 13:21:52 GMT -5
Excellent Time Magazine interview with Sarah Palin www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1908983,00.html Only thing I would ague with Time about is, in addition to the interview, they saw fit to interject some other things by giving links. For instance, the 10 biggest scandals of 2008 where they had Sarah Palin's $150,000 wardrobe, alongside Elliot Spitzer, AIG, John Edwards, etc. That, I submit, is an illustration of media bias. But, the actual interview they published was very good in that they allowed her to speak for herself.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Jul 7, 2009 13:22:09 GMT -5
Now let's stop being the part for the proudly ignorant masses who won't stop shouting about this being the greatest country in the world even though they've never been anywhere else. One can be proud of being American without having seen the world. By recent estimates, as many as 70% of Americans do not own a passport, and most of these never will. In any one year, less than 10 million out of a population of 300 million will travel overseas. That's part of the problem DFW. Too many people in this country are incurious about the outside world. You know you can go to Greece, or England or even China for less than the cost of a 7 day trip to Disneyworld. And surely learn more, even if you are spoon-fed less mind-numbing "entertainment" at the same time. Of course you can be proud of this country without having made it overseas....but do you really think people who have never been abroad ought to be shouting about how the only country they've ever been to is the "best in the world?" Don't you think that is something we might do well to feel less? It is sure as hell something we would do well to shut up about. The greatest country in the world would be a good site greater if it didn't have to tell itself and others how great it thought it was.
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Post by thebin on Jul 7, 2009 13:25:32 GMT -5
I'm no leftist and Palin held nothing in store for the GOP but abject and deserving humiliation at the polls so long as she was even possibly a GOP standard bearer. Good riddance. Now let's stop being the part for the proudly ignorant masses who won't stop shouting about this being the greatest country in the world even though they've never been anywhere else. There has yet to be a country held to a higher standard, whose election debates continually focus on how to make the world, not just its own citizens better, and whose economy is by far the titan in the world. If you don't like it, Delta is ready when you are. I know all of that to a certain extent is true. But do you know how much a friggen jerk you sound like saying it in the company of non-Americans? And if no non-Americans are around, what the hell is the point of saying it? It's rhetorical Edited. It is no different than going down to your local country club and telling all your friends there that you are by far the richest and most handsome and most generous of all that club's members. How much do you think even your friends would appreciate that? What about those on the fence about your great deeds? Act like you have been there. Let's as a country have some class and shut up about how great we are and just continue to silently earn that largely self-given title.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jul 7, 2009 13:25:51 GMT -5
I don't think thebin is challenging the possibility of it. His comments, I think, had more to do with the efficacy of it. On that point, I think he has hit paydirt. That's really specious logic. By its full extent, unless you've been to every country in the world, you can't judge the US as the best of them all. I didn't see an endorsement of the opposite extreme either in his post and did not make one myself. The group described has an inescapable sample size problem when you consider that they have seen one country (and perhaps even only one state).
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 7, 2009 13:35:26 GMT -5
There has yet to be a country held to a higher standard, whose election debates continually focus on how to make the world, not just its own citizens better, and whose economy is by far the titan in the world. If you don't like it, Delta is ready when you are. I know all of that to a certain extent is true. But do you know how much a friggen jerk you sound like saying it in the company of non-Americans? And if no non-Americans are around, what the hell is the point of saying it? It's rhetorical Edited. It is no different than going down to your local club and telling all your friends there that you are by far the richest and most handsome and most generous of all that club's members. Act like you have been there. Let's as a country have some class and shut up about how great we are and just continue to silently earn that largely self-given title. Oh, come on. I've been to a few different countries and read a few international newspapers, and almost every single country (or region, with the EU) believes that it's importance is far out of proportion to its actual value (the US gets this, too). We're no different. The difference is that, with very few exceptions, people around the world hold the US to a different standard, knowing that the US is the best bet to fix a problem (or make it worse). The US was the driving force that destroyed communism and won World War II. The US economy caused the current recession and the global recession won't end until the US economy recovers. The state of California has the world's 7th-largest economy. Almost every single one of the best universities in the world is located in the United States. At least half of the most-known brands are based in the US. American popular culture dominates around the world. Much less lobbying of the EU, NATO or the UN occurs than does lobbying of the United States. You can know all of the above if you read a paper or the internet, even if you never leave Dubuque, Iowa.
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Post by Boz on Jul 7, 2009 13:37:41 GMT -5
Well, I sure as heck can't think of any soon-to-be former elected official who can continue to generate as much interest and conversation (positive and negative) than Sarah Palin.
Does anyone else even come close? I don't think so.
(Except for Presidents and former Presidents, I forgot to mention.)
I'm not sure what that means, but there it is.
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Post by thebin on Jul 7, 2009 13:39:50 GMT -5
I know all of that to a certain extent is true. But do you know how much a friggen jerk you sound like saying it in the company of non-Americans? And if no non-Americans are around, what the hell is the point of saying it? It's rhetorical Edited. It is no different than going down to your local club and telling all your friends there that you are by far the richest and most handsome and most generous of all that club's members. Act like you have been there. Let's as a country have some class and shut up about how great we are and just continue to silently earn that largely self-given title. Oh, come on. I've been to a few different countries and read a few international newspapers, and almost every single country (or region, with the EU) believes that it's importance is far out of proportion to its actual value (the US gets this, too). We're no different. The difference is that, with very few exceptions, people around the world hold the US to a different standard, knowing that the US is the best bet to fix a problem (or make it worse). The US was the driving force that destroyed communism and won World War II. The US economy caused the current recession and the global recession won't end until the US economy recovers. The state of California has the world's 7th-largest economy. Almost every single one of the best universities in the world is located in the United States. At least half of the most-known brands are based in the US. American popular culture dominates around the world. Much less lobbying of the EU, NATO or the UN occurs than does lobbying of the United States. You can know all of the above if you read a paper or the internet, even if you never leave Dubuque, Iowa. Why say these things aloud? Isn't it enough to know them, to feel them? Don't you think there are some things that are better left un-said? Are you fond of people who are richer or better looking or generally better than you making a habit of telling you so?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jul 7, 2009 13:51:31 GMT -5
"We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American waaaaay...."
I'm with thebin on this one.
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