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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 7, 2009 8:53:57 GMT -5
Well, yet again, another useless forum that doesn't get down to the heart of racial tensions on campus. Is this an insufficient level of grovelling for you? Because I must admit it's entirely too much grovelling from a newspaper for my tastes. But then I really take that feree expression thing seriously, yes, even if that means in our extremely sensitive age people might feel offended in the offing. Have we concluded that the Hoya staff's April Fools edition is what is at "the heart of racial tensions on campus" whatever the hell that means in 2009? No, no you totally misunderstand me. I don't think the Hoya should grovel at all. And I don't think this April Fool's nonsense has anything to do with the heart of racial tensions. The heart of racial tension on campus is why minority students choose to spend so much more of their time in their own self-segregated race-focused organizations rather than make their presence felt in all of these other campus groups...the campus groups that minority students (in general) only seem interested in when something "offensive" happens. (Personally, I think CMEA's "Minority Student Orientation" is a big problem....yes, that exists, and it tells me that as soon as a black Georgetown student shows up, he's pointed directly towards "hit people's" activities, rather than those shared by everyone. But I digress.) I'm not saying it's the fault of minority students that they aren't more involved in these things. But it's also not the fault of the white students who make applications 100% open to everyone. THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. Any black student who wants to write for the Hoya can write for the Hoya. The heart of the problem is why most black students don't. I don't have the answer to that. I do know that I've heard the Hoya, the Corp, NSO, etc., etc., etc. referred to as "White Georgetown" too many times. But no one involved in those groups know what they did other than show up, get involved, and open up opportunities to everyone. So how is that "white"? What needs to be discussed is not the Hoya's April Fools. It is: How can Georgetown get students of different races together around activities other than every 6 months discussing who is offended and by what. Please, don't think that I want anyone to "grovel" for anything. I have no patience for this sort of thing, especially since the time I was on Ed Board, and the Filipino Club got incensed about the Hoya's use of the word "flip" in a headline about them. Unfortunately, they forgot that just months prior, they had shirts printed that said "Club Flip." That being said, I think this April Fools issue was unfunny and a few of the articles were unnecessarily focused on race. Are they worth all this hoopla? No. Were they worth someone saying "Hey guys, you're getting right around that 'offensive' line, so back off w/ the race jokes"? Yes.
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Post by thebin on Apr 7, 2009 11:44:07 GMT -5
I did completely misunderstand you, my apologies. I agree very stronly with much of what you say, particularly if you suggest as I think you do that much of what people claim is a racial problem need to stop viewing it with the 20th century lens of white bigotry alone and learn to see that social self-segregation by races and groups is a more complicated and frankly less terrible issue than old Jim Crow bigotry, and one where blame if you wish to aportion it such, can go around to many of the "victims" themselves.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Apr 7, 2009 12:22:28 GMT -5
The heart of racial tension on campus is why minority students choose to spend so much more of their time in their own self-segregated race-focused organizations rather than make their presence felt in all of these other campus groups...the campus groups that minority students (in general) only seem interested in when something "offensive" happens. Whoa fellas, we gotta slow down here. It sounds like you are saying the reason we have racial tension is because minority students choose to self-segregate? If that is what you are saying, I certainly can see why you see it that way, but that ignores history and is a gross oversimplification. Do you think minority students just want to hang out with members of their own group? From my POV (a member of a minority group), I don't think that is how things play out. Please realize that certain individuals will always be shy, introverted, etc., and it will therefore be easier to seek out and befriend members of their "own" group (e.g., to uses a non-race based example, American students study abroad yet tend to make fast friends with other American students...thankfully I know GU students are usually quite good at overcoming this stereotype). So there will always be a certain percentage of people that will seek out "their own" (for lack of a better word) for the very human desire to be secure and understood. But that does not mean there is little desire on the part of minority groups to integrate, socialize and participate actively at a university, at work or in life generally. It just means it is an uphill battle. So I believe the key thing is to have members of the more numerous group reach out. It sounds corny, but I've seen it work in many different settings. If we want a very well integrated campus (which btw folks, we're actually quite good in comparison to other schools), I think it is a bit unrealistic to put the onus on the smaller (and typically de facto less powerful) group to approach a larger group in making connections, joining groups, etc. I'm sure everyone here has anecdotes about a member of a minority group overcoming the obstacles, but the way the numbers play out, moving toward a fully integrated society/school commands more effort from members of the larger and more powerful group.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 7, 2009 13:03:27 GMT -5
The heart of racial tension on campus is why minority students choose to spend so much more of their time in their own self-segregated race-focused organizations rather than make their presence felt in all of these other campus groups...the campus groups that minority students (in general) only seem interested in when something "offensive" happens. Whoa fellas, we gotta slow down here. It sounds like you are saying the reason we have racial tension is because minority students choose to self-segregate? If that is what you are saying, I certainly can see why you see it that way, but that ignores history and is a gross oversimplification. Do you think minority students just want to hang out with members of their own group? From my POV (a member of a minority group), I don't think that is how things play out. Please realize that certain individuals will always be shy, introverted, etc., and it will therefore be easier to seek out and befriend members of their "own" group (e.g., to uses a non-race based example, American students study abroad yet tend to make fast friends with other American students...thankfully I know GU students are usually quite good at overcoming this stereotype). So there will always be a certain percentage of people that will seek out "their own" (for lack of a better word) for the very human desire to be secure and understood. But that does not mean there is little desire on the part of minority groups to integrate, socialize and participate actively at a university, at work or in life generally. It just means it is an uphill battle. So I believe the key thing is to have members of the more numerous group reach out. It sounds corny, but I've seen it work in many different settings. If we want a very well integrated campus (which btw folks, we're actually quite good in comparison to other schools), I think it is a bit unrealistic to put the onus on the smaller (and typically de facto less powerful) group to approach a larger group in making connections, joining groups, etc. I'm sure everyone here has anecdotes about a member of a minority group overcoming the obstacles, but the way the numbers play out, moving toward a fully integrated society/school commands more effort from members of the larger and more powerful group. I agree with almost everything you're saying here, which is why I tried to make clear that there's no real "blame" in it. But it's just a reality that until groups start interacting more in NON-confrontational contexts, these sorts of things will keep happening. I understand to some degree why the default is to look for people like you, and race is a very easy way to decide someone is "like you." But that's just the major hurdle to avoiding these kinds of problems. I do, however, disagree with the notion that student groups should be doing "outreach." First of all, having run several campus groups, I personally felt just as awkward about any sort of "minority reach" as minority students may feel about getting involved in the first place. I just never thought of a way to contact a group of black students and say, "Hey, we need more of 'you.' Who wants to help us be diverse?" It just seems to me like pandering and like it would be insulting. I expect the most common answer would be: "If we were interested in doing that, we would have gotten involved for ourselves. We don't need this white kid coming over like he's trying to sell us something." Yes, there are fewer minority students than white...that's what makes them "minority." But I don't think they avoid student groups on campus because of some kind of perceived "powerlessness." If they felt powerless, they wouldn't march en masse into the Hoya office. There was obviously no problem that night entering the office. But I would bet none of them had ever walked in before that to say, "Hey, these are some major topics important to the black community that you need to cover." It just seems like the groups that get offensively labeled "White" have very open doors. One of those doors was used by 40 protesters. But those 40 people should try using it to improve the group long term and make it more diverse, rather than waiting around for an invitation to join or until something offensive happens and it's time to protest. I also hope this isn't coming off as insensitive. I completely understand what you're saying, and agree that it can be complex and difficult to accomplish the sort of outcome that everyone wants. But I just don't know how white students at Georgetown can tactfully or appropriately go about solving it.
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Post by SoCalHoya on Apr 7, 2009 13:21:54 GMT -5
Amen on your first paragraph. Having people of all sorts working, studying, eating, etc. on an everyday level is the goal. And that will make sorting our problems much easier.
Second paragraph. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further. I have done work in this field and have a few tips/thoughts on how this is best done. Your instincts are right that it can seem forced and awkward, but that is not always the case.
Third paragraph. Like is said, typically the smaller group is the de facto less powerful group. And those smaller groups feel it, and consciously and subconsciously will do things to shore that up (stick together, organize, rally, etc.). On the sit-in generally, man I don't know if that was the best thing they could have done, but it ain't all that bad. It's civil disobedience, essentially. And that has worked in the past. But just so that I am clear, this could have been handled more diplomatically on the students' and the Hoya sides.
Not to worry, no insensitivity inferred. This is a complex matter and I think it's neat to have a chat board where we can "talk" about these things in a civil manner.
Over and out!
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Post by jgalt on Apr 7, 2009 18:53:28 GMT -5
The problem I have is the notion that because two people have the same skin color (or religion or whatever) they are inherently part of the same "group." That kind of thinking leads to de facto segregation. As an upper-middle class white male, when ever I see another upper-middle class white male I never think to myself "Oh he can identify with me and we are part of the same group." So the idea that an out side observer would see that and think that i am think this, is rather insulting.
People should identify their "group" based on identifying with the ethical and philosophical choices people make, regardless of inherited trait which we have no control over. And while this idea isnt revolutionary is probably what most of you think, but I am just astounded by how much people forget this and automatically think people of the same race should be lumped together.
If we take four people: two white, two black. One white (A) and one black (B) both grew up in the same trailer park in Kansas (sorry if you are from kansas, no offense) and they both work after school at the same McDondalds. The other two (C and D) both grew up on Long Island and went to Chaminade and to the same Country club where they both played on the same golf team. Now both B and D are black, but does that mean just because of their race they can better identify with each other than C and D can?
Additionally if the golf team that C and D are on is made up of ten people, five black and five white who all went to Chaminade, does that make the golf team "diverse?"
To me the answer is no, to both questions. B and D have had such different lives how can they identify with each other? Maybe they have the same taste in food or even music, but has their race determined this preferences? And would the similar youths that C and D have make them more likely to identify with each other?
And how can a group be "diverse" if it is made up of people who all have had the same experiences? "Diversity" doesnt mean that there are a bunch of races in a group it means that there are different opinions with in a group. Some groups dont NEED diversity in them or arent prone to having diversity. A group formed around one belief (like working against abortion) doesnt need blacks and whites and asians and hispanics, it only needs people who are against abortion, it doesnt matter what color they are.
I believe that because we treat people as different because of their race (like when there are greater services provided for one race over another) we are acknowledging that these groups are different and should be treated differently. This can only lead to segregation, and not because people want it, only because we are treating races differently.
If we want to eliminate segregation, then we need to stop treating people as belonging to one group or another, and only treat them as individuals who are able to choose their own identity.
A final thought that is unrelated, but really irks me: How can we have services geared only to African American students, but we cant have services geared only towards white students? They are both discriminatory against one race. If you want to eliminate racism you cant treat different races differently, everyone must be treated the same.
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Post by sead43 on Apr 7, 2009 22:58:55 GMT -5
E-mail from the Diversity Action Council today: We the leadership of the Diversity Action Council have been watching, and consulting with colleagues about, the situation arising from the publication of the April Fool’s Day (2009) issue of The Hoya. Like many in the Georgetown community, we were disgusted and dismayed by that issue, for reasons noted by many students, staff, and faculty--the almost overwhelming appearance of disdain toward people of color, members of the LGBTQ community, women, and even Catholics, among others. We understand that this particular issue is intended to be humorous and that one person’s humor often comes at the expense of someone else. We also appreciate that journalism in this country is an act of free expression. But at the same time we recognize that there are matters of degree: there is satire or parody, and there are cheap-shots; there is good-natured ribbing, and there is savaging. As The Hoya’s own editor in chief acknowledged, “[that issue] crossed the line.” The question before us is, now what? The silver lining in this cloud comes from the considerable community response. Importantly, that response has been voiced online and in other ways by other students—by a larger and more diverse group than The Hoya’s staff. A kind of awareness and dialogue have been manifest that could be far more effective than injunctions and lectures. The challenge we face is to make sure that the lesson stays with us. The Diversity Action Council stands ready to support continued dialogue by students and others about the issues that divide us and the opportunities to unite us despite our differences. We are pleased to see that The Hoya will be hosting a forum; we invite and offer to help support proposals for how to sustain the dialogue after this upset has subsided and in the interests of avoiding a repeat of the cycle of crisis and response, which we have been seeing at least annually over the past few years. We would like to engage more faculty in this campus conversation, and we welcome their ideas and their bringing into their classrooms discussion of this and similar situations. We have started that process by securing the personal endorsement of this message by Professor (and faculty leader) Robert Cumby. In the meantime, please remember that the Bias Reporting System exists to help us monitor the campus climate as well as to address specific instances in which individuals cross that line. It can be accessed at: biasreporting.georgetown.edu/. And we hope that The Hoya takes a page from professional journalists and articulates, publishes, and follows an ethical code of conduct that assures that what it deems humor is not widely seen as mean-spirited (see, for example, www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040303030.html).
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Post by mchoya on Apr 7, 2009 23:08:50 GMT -5
E-mail from the Diversity Action Council today: We the leadership of the Diversity Action Council have been watching, and consulting with colleagues about, the situation arising from the publication of the April Fool’s Day (2009) issue of The Hoya. Like many in the Georgetown community, we were disgusted and dismayed by that issue, for reasons noted by many students, staff, and faculty--the almost overwhelming appearance of disdain toward people of color, members of the LGBTQ community, women, and even Catholics, among others. We understand that this particular issue is intended to be humorous and that one person’s humor often comes at the expense of someone else. We also appreciate that journalism in this country is an act of free expression. But at the same time we recognize that there are matters of degree: there is satire or parody, and there are cheap-shots; there is good-natured ribbing, and there is savaging. As The Hoya’s own editor in chief acknowledged, “[that issue] crossed the line.” The question before us is, now what? The silver lining in this cloud comes from the considerable community response. Importantly, that response has been voiced online and in other ways by other students—by a larger and more diverse group than The Hoya’s staff. A kind of awareness and dialogue have been manifest that could be far more effective than injunctions and lectures. The challenge we face is to make sure that the lesson stays with us. The Diversity Action Council stands ready to support continued dialogue by students and others about the issues that divide us and the opportunities to unite us despite our differences. We are pleased to see that The Hoya will be hosting a forum; we invite and offer to help support proposals for how to sustain the dialogue after this upset has subsided and in the interests of avoiding a repeat of the cycle of crisis and response, which we have been seeing at least annually over the past few years. We would like to engage more faculty in this campus conversation, and we welcome their ideas and their bringing into their classrooms discussion of this and similar situations. We have started that process by securing the personal endorsement of this message by Professor (and faculty leader) Robert Cumby. In the meantime, please remember that the Bias Reporting System exists to help us monitor the campus climate as well as to address specific instances in which individuals cross that line. It can be accessed at: biasreporting.georgetown.edu/. And we hope that The Hoya takes a page from professional journalists and articulates, publishes, and follows an ethical code of conduct that assures that what it deems humor is not widely seen as mean-spirited (see, for example, www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040303030.html). This e-mail marks the first time I have heard of the DAC. When I went to their website, I found one that seemed to be last updated ages ago. The last general membership minutes posted were from 2005 and the calendar/events page was broken. May I ask what the council is and to whom it is accountable? Without those answers, it seems like another layer of the Georgetown bureaucracy.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 8, 2009 7:21:13 GMT -5
E-mail from the Diversity Action Council today: We the leadership of the Diversity Action Council have been watching, and consulting with colleagues about, the situation arising from the publication of the April Fool’s Day (2009) issue of The Hoya. Like many in the Georgetown community, we were disgusted and dismayed by that issue, for reasons noted by many students, staff, and faculty--the almost overwhelming appearance of disdain toward people of color, members of the LGBTQ community, women, and even Catholics, among others. We understand that this particular issue is intended to be humorous and that one person’s humor often comes at the expense of someone else. We also appreciate that journalism in this country is an act of free expression. But at the same time we recognize that there are matters of degree: there is satire or parody, and there are cheap-shots; there is good-natured ribbing, and there is savaging. As The Hoya’s own editor in chief acknowledged, “[that issue] crossed the line.” The question before us is, now what? The silver lining in this cloud comes from the considerable community response. Importantly, that response has been voiced online and in other ways by other students—by a larger and more diverse group than The Hoya’s staff. A kind of awareness and dialogue have been manifest that could be far more effective than injunctions and lectures. The challenge we face is to make sure that the lesson stays with us. The Diversity Action Council stands ready to support continued dialogue by students and others about the issues that divide us and the opportunities to unite us despite our differences. We are pleased to see that The Hoya will be hosting a forum; we invite and offer to help support proposals for how to sustain the dialogue after this upset has subsided and in the interests of avoiding a repeat of the cycle of crisis and response, which we have been seeing at least annually over the past few years. We would like to engage more faculty in this campus conversation, and we welcome their ideas and their bringing into their classrooms discussion of this and similar situations. We have started that process by securing the personal endorsement of this message by Professor (and faculty leader) Robert Cumby. In the meantime, please remember that the Bias Reporting System exists to help us monitor the campus climate as well as to address specific instances in which individuals cross that line. It can be accessed at: biasreporting.georgetown.edu/. And we hope that The Hoya takes a page from professional journalists and articulates, publishes, and follows an ethical code of conduct that assures that what it deems humor is not widely seen as mean-spirited (see, for example, www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040303030.html). This e-mail marks the first time I have heard of the DAC. When I went to their website, I found one that seemed to be last updated ages ago. The last general membership minutes posted were from 2005 and the calendar/events page was broken. May I ask what the council is and to whom it is accountable? Without those answers, it seems like another layer of the Georgetown bureaucracy. I thought this nonsense DAC thing grew out of the Hoya / Jena nonsense of '07–'08. But I guess it's been around longer. It appears that the goal and function of the DAC is to point out when people have been offended by something, but to otherwise do nothing in terms of addressing the root cause of the issue (whatever you consider the root cause of the issue to be—they do nothing but point out when people are offended, so unless you think "the Hoya's insensitivity" is the very base cause for racial tensions, then they are failing to address any underlying problems). It's "officers" for its facebook group lead me to believe this group is brought to you by the Center for Student Programs, which means student activities money goes into this. And to the extent that anyone actually expends energy or resources into the organization, that is time taken away from things like SAC, NSO, and general student group management. The officers are: Deanna Cooke DAC Co-Chair Erika Cohen Derr Communications Committee Co-Chair Ray Shiu Programming Committee Chair Frances Andrea Dávila Communications Committee Co-Chair Bill McCoy Advocacy Committee Co-Chair Joshua Javier Guzmán Advocacy Committee Co-Chair Aja Holmes Facebook Group Chair Stephanie Hertz Programming Committee Co-Chair Admins are: * Stephanie Hertz * Frances Andrea Dávila * Joshua Javier Guzmán * Aja Holmes * Bill McCoy * Ray Shiu * Kendra Jackson * Erika Cohen Derr * Flavia Reis da Costa Menezes (creator) Its wall has been written on TWICE in the last year, both times to announce random student events (i.e. spam). Its most recent listed event is April 2008 (a "General Meeting" that I'm sure was wildly productive.....::cough: . This part of their email made me laugh: "the almost overwhelming appearance of disdain toward people of color, members of the LGBTQ community, women, and even Catholics." Really, people? Disdain?! Cocoa-puffs...a reference to "My Humps" by the Black Eyed Peas...is "DISDAIN"?? (I met a girl down at the disco./ She said hey, hey, hey yea let's go./ I could be your baby, you can be my honey/ Let's spend time not money./ I mix your milk wit my cocoa puff,/ Milky, milky cocoa,/ Mix your milk with my cocoa puff, milky, milky riiiiiiight.) The actual SPRAY PAINTING OF MARY elicited no response. The swastikas drawn on campus over the last few weeks...no response. But because now, we know who did the "offending" (The Hoya, of course), we hear from the DAC...because it gives them a chance to lampoon a student organization. I had mentioned before that it can be difficult for the white students on campus to reach out to minorities, just as it can be hard for minorities to jump into some of the "white" Georgetown activities. But rather than address that and create some kind of valuable role for itself, the DAC shows up once every year and a half to take shots at the Hoya. Greeeat.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 8, 2009 7:51:29 GMT -5
I was under the impression that the April Fool's Issue was an unofficial publication and was usually done under the cover of night without express authority of the Hoya or its editorial board. Granted, at this point, there is probably a wink-wink, nudge-nudge understanding with the editorial board and they are complicit in the publication of the issue, but I thought back in the day there was at least a strong argument that it wasn't an official publication.
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 8, 2009 10:37:30 GMT -5
Cambridge - unless something has changed in the last 10 years, it has the same writers, same editors, and same masthead.
The best decision we made in my 4 years on The Hoya was the year we decided to leave the humor to The Gonzo.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 8, 2009 11:49:50 GMT -5
Those people listed on the DAC board have for the most part graduated so that's definitely out of date.
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Post by vcjack on Apr 10, 2009 12:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by thebin on Apr 10, 2009 12:54:04 GMT -5
There is nothing uglier than a mob except maybe a self-righteous one.
What a friggen joke. They never should have apologized....all of the manufactured mock rage really makes my blood boil. Did the people at the Hoya not see this coming from a mile away? They gave them an inch by apologizing, and thus the self-centered mob feels vindicated to intimidate their way into grabbing a mile.
"Another student began to cry as she described being extremely hurt by the article which described interacial relationships as “vanilla-chocolate swirl interracial Editeding.”"
Define "extremely hurt" for me honey. I'm so sick of people trying to get attention by pretending their civil rights were violated because they don't approve of someone's else's expression. The Hoya should have shown some friggen balls.
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Post by thebin on Apr 10, 2009 12:55:25 GMT -5
"Shortly thereafter, student anger peaked when an audience member asked if The Hoya’s plan for restructuring would resemble affirmative action. Dozens of students yelled “Ouch! Ouch!” repeatedly, a word the moderators had instructed students to use to express feeling offended at another’s comment."
I just threw up in my mouth. What a nation of cowardly selfish childen we have become. You hurt my feelings so I demand you do what I say, not to make me feel better really because I 'm really fine, but so I can take advantage of this opportunity to make a power play while you are defensless and the mob is angry! Kneel before Zod!
Can we all agree to stop being the world's biggest pu ssies?
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Post by jgalt on Apr 10, 2009 14:14:06 GMT -5
I really wish i had gone, this would have been awesome, they should have sold tickets. In the words of TO: Get your pop corn ready!
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Post by PhillyHoya on Apr 10, 2009 14:41:07 GMT -5
Georgetown is turning into PCU. Seriously. This is our version of the Causeheads.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 10, 2009 19:00:51 GMT -5
Ouch? Ouch?! Oh my god. Please tell me that's a joke.
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Post by TC on Apr 11, 2009 10:19:13 GMT -5
Wow, whoever wrote that article is dumber than Simon Wu.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 11, 2009 10:52:09 GMT -5
This really really sounds awful. Third party oversight? Of a NEWSPAPER?! You know what the "third party oversight is?! GET A BLACK KID OR TWO TO JOIN THE F-ING PAPER. You're so interested in journalism all of a sudden that you want to "oversee" what goes to print? Then get involved with the paper like the rest of us or shut up! God damn it. I didn't like the Hoya printing anti-Corp material, so I walked myself into the office, got on the ed board, and had a say in what we printed! That's how you accomplish your goal. You don't sit back and wait for the Hoya to send "you" (whoever the f "you" even is in this context) their proofs and then give it the old "minority seal of approval." Absurd. Just absurd. And why did they want the names of the writers? Some bricks to throw through windows?
(Can you tell I'm getting pretty outraged at this point? Ha.)
An excerpt that got me especially riled:
"From there on out, the forum centered around questions of The Hoya’s membership, journalistic integrity, the possibility of different groups having oversight of Hoya articles. Hoya panelists suggested hosting open meetings, meeting with campus leaders, and said they would have a third party review their coverage of campus issues. This leg of the forum was heavily interspersed with additional criticism of The Hoya, calls for Dwulet’s resignation, and demands that The Hoya release the names of the writers who contributed to the AFI, which Hoya panelists consistently refused to do."
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