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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2009 5:42:31 GMT -5
The thread is being restarted.
Apparently some of our younger readers that post in the middle of the night fail to understand the board rules and have posted a fair amount of rumor and innuendo on current student-athletes which is wholly unacceptable for this board.
I can't say it any clearer: No rumors on current student athlete eligibility.
The previous thread will be moved back at some point this week for those who did comment.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 31, 2009 6:51:54 GMT -5
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 31, 2009 7:01:01 GMT -5
I loved summers as a freshman, not really too upset he's leaving a couple years later. he totally regressed as a player the second half of this past season. it is beyond frustrating to watch him chuck up 22 footers, turn the ball over at will, and contribute next to nothing to the team other than the occasional 3. IMO, this may be a case of addition by subtraction.
good luck dajuan.
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hoyas2006
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Post by hoyas2006 on Mar 31, 2009 7:13:42 GMT -5
as much as i disagree with him leaving, he is all but a lock to be a 1st rnd draft pick which means gauranteed money
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 31, 2009 7:34:06 GMT -5
I disagree, I think he is getting bad advice and I dont' think it is from inside the program. I feel like he will struggle in the league and will be back and forth between the A league & D league. Good luck to him on this call.
Once again we are going to be really thin next year and without Dajuan I think we are in the bottom half again.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 31, 2009 7:43:53 GMT -5
Well NBADraft.net updated their mock draft early this morning. They have him at #23 notably two spots in front of Terrance Williams.. i mean i love DaJuan but what are they smoking??
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Post by hoyas2006 on Mar 31, 2009 7:51:29 GMT -5
exactly. i actually think he will go a little higher ( from 15 to 20 )
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 31, 2009 7:57:13 GMT -5
IF he goes that high (big if), I think there will be an NBA team out there that is sorely disappointed by what they get, both in terms of well-rounded skills and in terms of apparent on-court manifestations of trying to develop those skills. (That second one is a nice way of saying "If he worked hard to improve, it didn't show on the court.")
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Mar 31, 2009 7:58:09 GMT -5
Like I said last night, if some of these names that have gone first round in the past few years made it, I don't see why DaJuan can't. Everybody has a sour taste in their mouth from him this season and maybe somewhat an underachieving career in general but I see no reason why with solid workouts and good measurements that he can't go first round. Has anyone anyone seen the draft pool this year? Can you honestly name 30 guys that translate as better pros than DaJuan?
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2009 8:12:16 GMT -5
If he is a first rounder, than Dejaun made the right choice. Let's face it he has played out of position his whole career, and was likley going to once again play power forward next season. Again, none of his strengths would be utilized and he would be exposed as a bad power forward. I think he knows he is a bad power forward by now and wants to have a chance to play the 3. I think he will be a better pro than college player and I really do hope for his sake he is making an informed decision. If Jaren Jackson and David Wingate can play 10 years each in the NBA, why can't Dejaun?
I thank Dejaun for all his contributions as a Hoya and I will continue to follow and cheer for him at the professional level. Dejuan was never a problem off the court, never caused problems in the locker room (we know about), was in good standing academically for his 3 seasons of play and never embarassed this institution in any way. For that I am grateful because to me that is how I measure these players. They may or may not succeed statistically on the court but as long as they are stand-up guys, I will support them.
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Post by theyellofallyells on Mar 31, 2009 8:23:10 GMT -5
first of all, he *could* be a first rounder but there is certainly no guarantee. Second of all, why would he be asked to play power forward again next season? freeman and wright at guard, dajuan at 3 sims at 4 monroe at 5? are you kidding me? that would be an awesome lineup.
I have always loved #3 and will continue to love Dajuan for all his contributions to the success of the program (which have been many over the course of those 3 years), and I wish him nothing but success....but he is making a TERRIBLE choice.
I think we are going to be a good team in the Big East next season regardless of Dajuan, but with Summers we would have a chance to be special and SUMMERS along with Monroe would be the face of the team...hello rising draft status.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2009 8:29:15 GMT -5
first of all, he *could* be a first rounder but there is certainly no guarantee. Second of all, why would he be asked to play power forward again next season? freeman and wright at guard, dajuan at 3 sims at 4 monroe at 5? are you kidding me? that would be an awesome lineup. Personally, I would believe it when I see it with regard to Summers finally moving to the 3. I think he had the same thought process - he would have to trust Sims with his career. If Henry does not develop, another season like this would be very detrimental to his draft status. Like I said, I support Dejuan and I am not willing to call this a "terrible" mistake. I see these draft projection boards and he is near or in the 1st round, maybe he knows something we all do not. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 31, 2009 8:30:03 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you are saying, NC, but yell is right. If anything, next year would have given him a chance to showcase more at a 3. I think we would have had a great lineup, so in that regard, I am bitter. But, meh, what are you going to do? Time to move on.
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Post by Filo on Mar 31, 2009 8:55:01 GMT -5
I'm with NC -- pretty big leap of faith to assume he would play the 3 this coming year. Nothing I saw from JTIII, even as the season wound down, to suggest that Sims would be playing big time minutes, allowing Summers to slide over to the 3. You can talk hypotheticals, like maybe Sims makes some big leaps in the off-season, but those are just that - hypotheticals. And I think think this bears repeating; even with the frustration and bitterness that some are feeling, it is true: Dejuan was never a problem off the court, never caused problems in the locker room (we know about), was in good standing academically for his 3 seasons of play and never embarassed this institution in any way. For that I am grateful because to me that is how I measure these players. They may or may not succeed statistically on the court but as long as they are stand-up guys, I will support them. |
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Post by hoopsmccan on Mar 31, 2009 8:59:05 GMT -5
Kills our upside. Good luck to him.
hm
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 31, 2009 8:59:25 GMT -5
www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/Here is the latest draftexpress mock draft, which is usually more relieable than nbadraft. Even they have summers as the 2nd pick of the 2nd round. So it's conceivable that he could get into the first round. I wish him the best. I do think georgetown fans are being blinded by our closer view of summers. We see all his flaws most NBA scouts just see his positives and his room to grow. Mid way through the season his stock was on the rise. He'll get drafted very late first round or early second round. also this analysis after the UConn game is depressing in retrospect. Ah what could've been: www.draftexpress.com/profile/DaJuan-Summers-1198/
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Post by Omega on Mar 31, 2009 9:08:02 GMT -5
Good for Summers! I absolutely think he is making the right decision. There is no gurantee that he will improve his draft position next year, so why not get it over with. Remember, III was already telling recruits that Summers may not be here next year, so the advise he may be getting could very well be coming from within the organization. It's funny how everyone on this board is always so quick to point out that one of benefits of playing ball at GU is its NBA connections that players can access in making decisions about their future. If this is indeed the case, who is to say that Summers' is not taking advantage of this benefit? As someone else mentioned, Summer's will be a much betta pro than college player....
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Post by Boz on Mar 31, 2009 9:21:03 GMT -5
Personally, I am not just hoping for Dajaun Summers to get drafted "in the late first round or early second."
I want Dajuan Summers to have an extended and successful professional playing career of which he, his family and his extended Hoya family can be very proud. I think there are many, and I happen to be one of them, who believe he is not ready to begin that professional career. And I think there are way too many cases of players who try to begin their professional career before they are ready, get frustrated or buried because they are not ready, and ruin any chances for long term success. I am not saying this will happen with Dajuan, of course not, but I do think it's a risk. (of course, there is no guarantee that another year in college would make him more "ready," I suppose).
On the other hand, if he feels he is ready, if he feels he needs to capitalize on a big early paycheck when he thinks he can get it, or if there is some other compelling reason why he feels this is the right move for him now, then who the hell am I to say no, you shouldn't do that. It's his life, he should live it, and I wish him luck.
From a selfish perspective, I'd love to have him back if he wanted to be back. But if he doesn't want to be back, if he doesn't want to be a student-athlete anymore, then the team is better off without him. And I think clearly, if he's going to sign with an agent this early, then it's pretty plain that he doesn't want to come back.
Best of luck to Dajuan. Looking forward to seeing if you get drafted (and if for no other reason than selfishness for Hoya recruiting, we should all hope he DOES get drafted). You were a good young man and player while you were at Georgetown, and I thank you for that. Wish you had stuck around just a little longer, but that's your call and I hope it's the right one.
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Post by dungeon ball on Mar 31, 2009 9:27:19 GMT -5
General draft question:
What are the benefits of signing with an agent early in the process? Why not declare for the draft at first without an agent and feel it out? Do agents greatly help you navigate the whole process?
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2009 9:32:09 GMT -5
General draft question: What are the benefits of signing with an agent early in the process? Why not declare for the draft at first without an agent and feel it out? Do agents greatly help you navigate the whole process? I guess a benefit is that it provides a clean break, and signals that the player has absolutely no interest in staying in school. So he can focus entirely on improving his draft stock, etc. Good luck to DaJuan. I never expected him to be a four-year player (until he totally regressed this season) so it's not all that shocking. Hope the coaches can stop the bleeding here, though. We don't need another soap opera offseason. |
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