Austin Freeman's weight

[DanMcQ]

What Austin needs to do is put a full 40 minute game together with regularity. He was outstanding on offense in the Old Spice Classic and he was again outstanding in the first half last night. Then he vanished in the second half. He has to turn that around. The offense is far more effective when he plays aggressively like he did in the first half against Baylor. I could be wrong, but it did not look like Baylor did anything devastatingly specific on defense to take him out of the game.

I don't think his weight is that much of an issue. He is never going to be a quick defender even if he drops 15 pounds. The team had too many guys this year that. like Austin, would get beat off the dribble. The problem was that they would always look back for the help defender..... who was not there.

[the_way]

weight is not the problem for Austin.

he is in shape. thats his natural weight. he is a naturally big and chunky person. it doesn't affect his game.

losing weight won't make him what he cannot be.

[lichoya68]

tight end get consistant and 25 points game is coming sooon wellnext year

[hoyas big supporter]

This thread is a joke right??

I mean c'mon weight is not an issue. everybody on our team has failed to show up consistently.. Austin can score and he's not a liability.. he was about the same size last year and he did just fine.. give the guy a break.

[HoyasAreHungry]

is it just me or did Austin look a bit trimmer on Wed.?

Granted he could stand to lose a few to be leaner and maybe a bit quicker, but Austin is a big guy....that's just the way it is....I honestly think that most of that is muscle though....He needs to lay off the weights and just keep lifting to be toned not to bulk up

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 19, 2009 17:59:51 GMT -5 richfame said:

Freeman is such and enigma. Sometimes hes hitting 3's and showing off his mid range game. Other games he totally floats or shows up for only half the game. Maybe his weight does hold himback, i mean hes not suppose to be a line backer out there but a 3 guard right?

He never seems like hes having fun out there. That being said hell be a solid four year player

Rich - didn't you see AF laughing with Jonny Flynn up at the Dome as Flynn sank 2 free throws to seal the OT win? Must have been having some fun then.

[HoyaSox04]

This thread ranks right up there in the top 5 Most Moronic Hoyatalk Threads ever. As if last summer wasn't enough to cover this in full.

Say what you want, but Austin from last year to this year did a serious amount of conditioning work. If you compare the 2, I almost guarantee you he lost 20+ lbs of baby fat and added 10-15 lbs of muscle. He worked hard at it, and it shows. He's not fat in any way now - he's actually pretty muscular, and that's good for his mid-range and driving game, which he showed off against Baylor.

Weight is not Austin's problem. Consistency is. He can have an absolutely killer mid-range game if he attacks - I really think him and Dajuan are the most consistent shooters in the 10-15 ft range on the team. But it has nothing to do w/ if he weighs 215 vs 225 or whatever. And if you think it does, well, I can't help you create logical arguments out of nothing but sheer ignorance.

[guru]

Wow, reading this board lately makes me wonder about the level of delusion among Hoya followers.

Freeman has an amazing mid-range game? When has this been on display since he arrived at GU? I know all the recruiting experts said that about him during his HS career, but I have seen very little evidence that this unstoppable mid-range game has translated to the Big East level of college play. On top of that, Freeman looks like a guy whose dog just got run over whenever he's on the court. I know some think that it's an unfair criticism of him - and hell, he may just be a stoic - but there is never any passion or fire in him when he's out on the court, and that carries over to the whole team.

And the Summers comparisons to Glenn Robinson? That's so freaking outlandish I thought it must have been a joke. Summers isn't half the player Robinson was in college - and after three years of watching him, I'm convinced he's just a mid-level Big East talent.

[wrestlemania]

I like Freeman's game but I'm not sure he'll ever be a reliable long-range shooter. He's got that exaggerated Yates Field House elbow bend that is harder to control beyond twenty feet (compare his form to Stephan Curry's, for example).

[joey0403p]

guru - is 100% correct about freeman's mid range game. austin's mid range game is what made him a AA. yet we consistently use him as a 3pt shooter...
some of this is on austin and some of it is on the system / coach.

[757hoyafan]

Is this the reason why we lost? Are we really upset over college kids laughing while playing a game?

Mar 20, 2009 9:19:51 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

[quote authorRich - didn't you see AF laughing with Jonny Flynn up at the Dome as Flynn sank 2 free throws to seal the OT win? Must have been having some fun then.

[royski]

Mar 20, 2009 13:48:07 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

Is this the reason why we lost? Are we really upset over college kids laughing while playing a game?

Mar 20, 2009 9:19:51 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

[quote authorRich - didn't you see AF laughing with Jonny Flynn up at the Dome as Flynn sank 2 free throws to seal the OT win? Must have been having some fun then.

It's not the laughing. It's that these kids don't hate losing. Could you EVER imagine Patrick Ewing Jr. laughing it up with an opponent that was sinking a dagger into Georgetown's NCAA hopes?

[757hoyafan]

I guess we agree to disagree.

Mar 20, 2009 13:59:05 GMT -5 royski said:

Mar 20, 2009 13:48:07 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

Is this the reason why we lost? Are we really upset over college kids laughing while playing a game?

It's not the laughing. It's that these kids don't hate losing. Could you EVER imagine Patrick Ewing Jr. laughing it up with an opponent that was sinking a dagger into Georgetown's NCAA hopes?

[OldHoyafan]

I do remember talk last summer about Freeman's weight, but you are right if the difference was given betweeen what he weighed in high school and now was given then, yes I slept through it. I did not start this thread to demonize Freeman for his weight. I have said all year I thought that he was a little overweight and that I thought it affected his jump shot and quickness. No way do I think his weight caused the Hoyas slide. But going from 185 to 239 in 18 months is not gaining a little weight its a huge gain. Some say he has a large frame like Pitt's Fields, well Fields is listed as 5'10" and 190. According to the Weight/height chart a 5'10" man with a large frame should weigh 180lbs. That means he is 10 lbs over his normal weight. Freeman's normal weight according to the chart for his height should be 181 - 207 lbs. That means he is 32 lbs over a normal weight. The kid was within a normal weight range in high school at 185lbs and was a high school All American. I don't think he has been close to being an All American on the college level. I think he has the potential to be a great shooter from mid range and 3pt line, but 32 lbs extra weight I think makes it hard to get the lift needed for his jump shot. This year most of his shots were with a fade away follow through on 2pt and 3pt shots ,instead of straight up and down. Could that be because he does not now have the lift to shoot over the outstretched hand of defender without the fade away follow through?

[Buckets]

I've said this many times before -- the weights Georgetown provides are lies. Austin Freeman DOES NOT weigh 239 pounds. He was listed at 210 last year, the guy did not gain 29 pounds. Austin does not weigh 7 pounds less than Julian Vaughn. Nikita did not lose 27 pounds to go from 241 (ha!) last year to 214 this year. And Omar most certainly did not go from 185 to 225 over the course of one offseason.

guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/archive/050508aaa.html
guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/gu-m-baskbl-mtt.html

The real point is I think Austin might have been asked, or tried to bulk up since he knew he would be asked to play the 3 a lot this season. Hopefully, with Jessie gone and Hollis in, Hollis will (okay this is a little wishful thinking) be able to roughly step into the role that Austin played this year, with Austin getting Sapp's minutes at the 2, which means he'll be expected to -- and will -- slim down

[professorhoya]

Mar 20, 2009 15:47:24 GMT -5 Buckets said:

The real point is I think Austin might have been asked, or tried to bulk up since he knew he would be asked to play the 3 a lot this season. .

There's a difference between bulking up (lifting weights, eating protein/lean muscle mass) and Pigging Out. (eating too many Pizzas)

[cnyhoya]

Whatever the cause, the concern is that Austin has yet to live up to his considerable HS pedigree. Why???

[professorhoya]

Mar 20, 2009 17:43:01 GMT -5 cnyhoya said:

Whatever the cause, the concern is that Austin has yet to live up to his considerable HS pedigree. Why???

I thought he did pretty well his freshman year. He was one of the bright spots for the bench/young players. Overall he seemed a step slower and lost his lift his sophomore year (because of being overweight). I thought he was heavy his freshman year, but he was still able to move fairly fine but he has definitely lost a step.

Looks like the biggest area he suffered was because of the moving back of the 3 Pt line and the mental morale loss from the Incident.

He went from 40% to 30% with 3 Pt Percentage. This also lowered his FG % from 51% to 48%. His FT% also went down from 81% to 75% which is a pretty significant drop.

sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36588

[professorhoya]

Freeman's Scoring:

Up Till and Including Duke Game: 13.4 PPG

Post Duke 9.2 PPG

[rambis]

Freeman is not overweight with chub. If he's carrying additional bulk, it's all muscle. Plenty of people, including me, saw him at Kenner this summer and he took his shirt off and there wasn't any question about this. He is built like a brick sh*thouse. Especially up top. I'm guessing he added bulk to play the three and can lose it to play the two and regain some quickness.