FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 1, 2009 15:18:12 GMT -5
Really the only glaring questionable call I saw live (I need to review 1-2 others on tape) was Freeman's fifth on the offensive foul late--I don't think the defender was set, the contact was questionable, and I think the defender was too far under the basket...just my opinion. If you saw the replay, the Freeman call was a good one. The most glaring bad call was the foul by (I think) Jason Clark falling on the Nova perimeter shooter for no call at all. (lucky for us) Clark also got away with a call on the sidelines when he tipped a pass out of bounds that the Nova player missed entirely, but it was called out on 'Nova. As for the rest of your comments FL, insightful and interesting as always. Thanks. I saw the replay of the Freeman call on my DVR this morning...on further examination it was the correct call. The Wachovia Center showed it from a sideline camera, which made it appear like the defender was further under the basket and the contact was less than it was in reality. I was sitting directly above the Clark tip in the 200 level, Row 1. I was pretty sure live that he tipped it, and was positive the call would be overturned. On the replay--I mean, I think he grazed it but it's so subtle I would nooooooooot want to have to make that call in the final minute.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Mar 1, 2009 16:53:35 GMT -5
If you saw the replay, the Freeman call was a good one. The most glaring bad call was the foul by (I think) Jason Clark falling on the Nova perimeter shooter for no call at all. (lucky for us) Clark also got away with a call on the sidelines when he tipped a pass out of bounds that the Nova player missed entirely, but it was called out on 'Nova. As for the rest of your comments FL, insightful and interesting as always. Thanks. I saw the replay of the Freeman call on my DVR this morning...on further examination it was the correct call. The Wachovia Center showed it from a sideline camera, which made it appear like the defender was further under the basket and the contact was less than it was in reality. I was sitting directly above the Clark tip in the 200 level, Row 1. I was pretty sure live that he tipped it, and was positive the call would be overturned. On the replay--I mean, I think he grazed it but it's so subtle I would nooooooooot want to have to make that call in the final minute. the fifth on freeman was the correct call. freeman has such a nice arc in his ball, why not drive, plant both feet and take a short fall away j. he would be unstoppable if he learned that move.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 1, 2009 17:09:11 GMT -5
This is exactly the wrong mentality in close games when you are ahead. When you have a break away or any good opportunity at an easy two you go for it. Period. Don't worry about running time off the clock. When you start worrying about time left on the clock you start to beat yourself. In this case it didn't work out, but it was the right play, just with the wrong execution. He should have gone up harder and faster, he just didn't know there was someone coming. Your rationalizing. If we had lost this game this 4 point turnaround would have been critical. He had his shot blocked, then fouled the player IIRC, putting Villanova on the line. That is not a good opportunity if you get your shot blocked. It means you are not under control on that play and don't have an awareness of the surroundings and the situation. It was the wrong play for the situation, he should have pulled up and taken time off the clock. You have to play smart basketball. Little things like that add up. For example Vaughan had a nice steal earlier in the game (applause) then he dribble and throws a half court pass into the front row courtside seats. If you cut down on stupid unncessary mistakes like that then that's about 8-10 points a game right there which is the difference in winning and losing for most teams. Another example I'll give you is Wright's missed dunk in a critical moment of last weeks' game. All he had to do was lay it up for an easy two. I understand he was trying to pump up the team but he's not a dunker, and especially isn't going to be able to throw down a one handed dunk as his hands are too small so he can't palm it but has to cup it. Which is why he missed the dunk, you could see it slip out of his hands when his arm hit the rim. With experience these problems will correct itself. Which should just indicate how much more amazing Chris Wright will be in the next two years. But bonehead mistakes are bonehead mistakes no matter who the player is. And cutting out on bonehead mistakes is the difference between a championship team and a good team.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Mar 1, 2009 17:31:19 GMT -5
Agree with the last point Prof... too many ... FAR too many mistakes. The Turnovers. The lazy passes. Greg making too many passes and passing up great opportunities for himself. Frankly, watching the team this year, it does NOT look like a JT3 team, whose trademark is precision and good coaching. This team just makes too many mistakes. It isn't one guy. How about the stepping on the line calls? I think this team set an all time record for stepping out of bounds. Not the force out while driving the base line variety, but just standing by the sideline and stepping on the line.
Boxing out. The entire team has to get better at it and be FOCUSED on it for 40 minutes.
Still, young team, tons of talent, and a great coaching staff. This team will get there.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 1, 2009 20:26:03 GMT -5
This is exactly the wrong mentality in close games when you are ahead. When you have a break away or any good opportunity at an easy two you go for it. Period. Don't worry about running time off the clock. When you start worrying about time left on the clock you start to beat yourself. In this case it didn't work out, but it was the right play, just with the wrong execution. He should have gone up harder and faster, he just didn't know there was someone coming. Your rationalizing. If we had lost this game this 4 point turnaround would have been critical. He had his shot blocked, then fouled the player IIRC, putting Villanova on the line. That is not a good opportunity if you get your shot blocked. It means you are not under control on that play and don't have an awareness of the surroundings and the situation. It was the wrong play for the situation, he should have pulled up and taken time off the clock. You have to play smart basketball. Little things like that add up. For example Vaughan had a nice steal earlier in the game (applause) then he dribble and throws a half court pass into the front row courtside seats. If you cut down on stupid unncessary mistakes like that then that's about 8-10 points a game right there which is the difference in winning and losing for most teams. Another example I'll give you is Wright's missed dunk in a critical moment of last weeks' game. All he had to do was lay it up for an easy two. I understand he was trying to pump up the team but he's not a dunker, and especially isn't going to be able to throw down a one handed dunk as his hands are too small so he can't palm it but has to cup it. Which is why he missed the dunk, you could see it slip out of his hands when his arm hit the rim. With experience these problems will correct itself. Which should just indicate how much more amazing Chris Wright will be in the next two years. But bonehead mistakes are bonehead mistakes no matter who the player is. And cutting out on bonehead mistakes is the difference between a championship team and a good team. Yes, the blocked layup would have been critical, but because it wasn't executed properly, not because the attempt was a bad decision. He shouldn't have slowed down and probably should have gone up with the left, but going for it was really the only option. We were up 2, with over a minute left having not scored in 4 minutes, with a breakaway layup. There really was no other option.
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JS
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Post by JS on Mar 2, 2009 12:09:32 GMT -5
Cross-posting this, which might be of interest: After Georgetown’s two point win over Villanova on Saturday, a reporter opened Hoya head coach John Thompson III’s postgame press conference with the following question: “John, you ever won a game before with 25 turnovers?” Thompson paused, and then responded: “I don’t know. That’s a hell of a first question. I’ll take a win, and then we’ll try and fix the turnovers.” It took me a few days, but I’ve looked at four seasons of Princeton box scores from when Thompson coached the Tigers and the last five years of game stats for Georgetown. The answer to the reporter’s question is “no.” The most turnovers in a victory during his time at each school: Georgetown 72 Providence 62 - 22 turnovers - 1/5/06. statsheet.com/mcb/games/2006/01/05/providence-62-georgetown-72Princeton 75 Columbia 52 - 21 turnovers - 2/27/04. statsheet.com/mcb/games/2004/02/27/columbia-52-princeton-75JS
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CO_Hoya
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Post by CO_Hoya on Mar 2, 2009 12:41:56 GMT -5
From a cursory glance at StatSheet, and FWIW: That was the highest turnover percentage (TO / possessions; 38.5%) by a JT3-led Hoya team, and they won. The previous high (36.6%) was also against Villanova, a 56-52 loss in Jan-07 at Verizon - the last time 'Nova beat Georgetown. That Providence game had 74 possessions, so the 22 turnovers mean the TO% < 30%. The only game with a higher TO% for any JT3 team was a loss by Princeton vs. Cal in Nov-01, at 40%.
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