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Post by fzamoi on Apr 16, 2009 11:20:45 GMT -5
rivals updated the interest tab on williams with just us and memphis listed as high.
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cnyhoya
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Post by cnyhoya on Apr 16, 2009 11:54:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. I hope the news comes soon. And is good!
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 16, 2009 12:00:54 GMT -5
I feel like we are definitely the fall back school here, it seems he is looking for an excuse to go to MU.
Just my opinion, but the way his process is going, he seems to have really been set on MU and when he found out there was no room with Cal's huge class decided to look elsewhere. Likely during that MU courtship, he grew to like the school, the player's mansion, etc and could still see himself there but then Cal left and the natural inclination is to look away from memphis, yet he does not seem to be doing that. Also, I think I read GU was the furthest North he had ever traveled. GU is not exactly a natural selection for him from a non-basketball standpoint.
Regardless, he will likely take his time because Pastner has just begun building his staff. Until that is set and he has a chance to talk to the new assistants, I would think he will stay on the sidelines. I want this kid bad, but if his heart is somewhere else than so be it.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 16, 2009 12:17:53 GMT -5
I feel like we are definitely the fall back school here, it seems he is looking for an excuse to go to MU. Just my opinion, but the way his process is going, he seems to have really been set on MU and when he found out there was no room with Cal's huge class decided to look elsewhere. Likely during that MU courtship, he grew to like the school, the player's mansion, etc and could still see himself there but then Cal left and the natural inclination is to look away from memphis, yet he does not seem to be doing that. Also, I think I read GU was the furthest North he had ever traveled. GU is not exactly a natural selection for him from a non-basketball standpoint. Regardless, he will likely take his time because Pastner has just begun building his staff. Until that is set and he has a chance to talk to the new assistants, I would think he will stay on the sidelines. I want this kid bad, but if his heart is somewhere else than so be it. I don't get that feel from anything thats going on. I have no idea what hes going to end up doing, but I think a big part of the wait is obviously the grades. I read on the memphis board that a new rivals article says he won't make the decision until after his grades and clearing are figured out, so I wouldn't read anything into that. I think the main allure to Memphis was obviously Cal and the chance to play on a great team, it was his favorite for a while, then I think he wasn't sure if he wanted to go there without being able to play right away. Now he has a chance to play right away but the two best things about the school are gone, which his why he was also considering Kentucky, but Memphis is still a good choice, probably not as high as it was a few months ago. I think if he had is heart so set on Memphis he would definitely have them as the favorite right now. That is just my opinion, no inside info. When I think fall back school I think Roscoe Smith. If we were the fall back school the only way he would have us as the same intrest level as Memphis is if they hadn't offered yet.
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Apr 16, 2009 12:21:22 GMT -5
I feel like we are definitely the fall back school here, it seems he is looking for an excuse to go to MU. Just my opinion, but the way his process is going, he seems to have really been set on MU and when he found out there was no room with Cal's huge class decided to look elsewhere. Likely during that MU courtship, he grew to like the school, the player's mansion, etc and could still see himself there but then Cal left and the natural inclination is to look away from memphis, yet he does not seem to be doing that. Also, I think I read GU was the furthest North he had ever traveled. GU is not exactly a natural selection for him from a non-basketball standpoint. Regardless, he will likely take his time because Pastner has just begun building his staff. Until that is set and he has a chance to talk to the new assistants, I would think he will stay on the sidelines. I want this kid bad, but if his heart is somewhere else than so be it. for anyone's whose seen the player's mansion, you cant blame the kid. Sure beats our on campus/endowment house options. Specially in the eyes of a 17 year old kid who mostly likely hasnt' grown up living in a house will flat screen t.v. in every room and a movie theatre in your house.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 16, 2009 12:25:59 GMT -5
Saying Gtown was the fall back school was too harsh. What I meant was GU is in a secondary position to MU in my completely uninformed mind. I think he has had so many reasons to leave MU behind and has not, that worries me.
I hope he gets his grades cleared up soon. I guess between MU's unsettled assistant situation and his grades, we are looking at a pro-longed wait on him.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 16, 2009 12:31:13 GMT -5
I don't really think any of us can make any assumptions as to what the kid is thinking at this point. I doubt any of us have ever talked to him/know him/know his situation completely. It's all speculation right now. I'm just glad he has us in his final choice. I really want this kid as much as anyone, but all we can really do is wait it out and hope he makes the right decision
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Apr 16, 2009 12:37:32 GMT -5
Saying Gtown was the fall back school was too harsh. What I meant was GU is in a secondary position to MU in my completely uninformed mind. I think he has had so many reasons to leave MU behind and has not, that worries me. I hope he gets his grades cleared up soon. I guess between MU's unsettled assistant situation and his grades, we are looking at a pro-longed wait on him. True, but Memphis program itself its an uncertainty right now, so I see a lot of reasons why he could be holding on. I mean I do believe the current coach was the one that was recruiting him in the first place, that in and of itself would make me think Memphis would stick around the whole time. I just don't think its as black and white that the coach leaves, you move on. I have no idea though, but if I was in his position, I could definitly see the appeal of considering Memphis, if they were my favorite at the begginning.
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Post by jhoyafan on Apr 16, 2009 13:15:48 GMT -5
Is this really something thats known universally and if so, how is it justified as not being a violation?
for anyone's whose seen the player's mansion, you cant blame the kid. Sure beats our on campus/endowment house options. Specially in the eyes of a 17 year old kid who mostly likely hasnt' grown up living in a house will flat screen t.v. in every room and a movie theatre in your house.[/quote]
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Post by oldirtyku on Apr 16, 2009 13:39:16 GMT -5
Yes Jhoyafan it is universally known... Here is a quote from Joey Dorsey in a SI article: JD: We actually have a house -- 11 bedrooms, all basketball players, so mostly everybody stays there. LW: How did you find that place? JD: It's an on-campus thing; Coach Cal did it. It's almost like a mansion. You can get lost in there. It's decked out, too; the living room's got 42-inch flat screens where we can watch game tapes, or review player personnel. Or we can go upstairs where there's a theater, and just watch movies. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/basketball/ncaa/2007/07/blog-q-with-memphis-joey-dorsey.html
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Post by prhoya on Apr 16, 2009 13:49:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Calipari sets up similar "housing" at UK.
Are our players still living in Village A?
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Post by mississippihoya on Apr 16, 2009 14:38:03 GMT -5
They live in Copley as freshman, Village A sophomore/junior year, and a Townhouse junior/senior year I'm pretty sure (worked for housing).
All those options, while nice for Gtown, are no mansions. However, some players do get to live in the brown house during the summer.
I don't mean to thread jack...... I really hope Williams becomes a Hoya. I can't think of a type of player we need more than him.
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Post by Dhall on Apr 16, 2009 15:13:51 GMT -5
Frankly, Georgetown should be competing against Duke and Stanford for kids who are in their junior year of high school, not seniors who still haven't qualified academically and are considering Memphis. If we don't get Latavious, I don't mind. Maybe it will be another wake-up call for the coaching staff on how to get their recruiting done in a bit different way than where they are now.
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Post by dcc33 on Apr 16, 2009 15:21:08 GMT -5
Frankly, Georgetown should be competing against Duke and Stanford for kids who are in their junior year of high school, not seniors who still haven't qualified academically and are considering Memphis. If we don't get Latavious, I don't mind. Maybe it will be another wake-up call for the coaching staff on how to get their recruiting done in a bit different way than where they are now. I agree with you 100% here. He sounds like a great player, and I'm not at all against giving a kid an opportunity who may be a bit of a strech academically, but I do hope that our staff continues to value that aspect of the recruiting process highly. Between the number of early departures and the noted recruiting of kids with somewhat questionable academic backgrounds (Egerson, Braswell, now potentially this), I can't say that I'm entirely thrilled. I wish the kid the best, and hope he is able to qualify and excel on and off the court whereever he goes (hopefully this can happen on the hilltop), but I'm a bit concerned - especially given that Memphis, a school with a reputation I'd rather avoid, is his other main option.
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Post by Dhall on Apr 16, 2009 15:38:32 GMT -5
Frankly, Georgetown should be competing against Duke and Stanford for kids who are in their junior year of high school, not seniors who still haven't qualified academically and are considering Memphis. If we don't get Latavious, I don't mind. Maybe it will be another wake-up call for the coaching staff on how to get their recruiting done in a bit different way than where they are now. I agree with you 100% here. He sounds like a great player, and I'm not at all against giving a kid an opportunity who may be a bit of a strech academically, but I do hope that our staff continues to value that aspect of the recruiting process highly. Between the number of early departures and the noted recruiting of kids with somewhat questionable academic backgrounds (Egerson, Braswell, now potentially this), I can't say that I'm entirely thrilled. I wish the kid the best, and hope he is able to qualify and excel on and off the court whereever he goes (hopefully this can happen on the hilltop), but I'm a bit concerned - especially given that Memphis, a school with a reputation I'd rather avoid, is his other main option. In fairness, the rumors were that Egerson's transfer was not academic-related despuite his high school record. Really could have used him this year. I'm not being polly-annish about this. It is most important to me to win games and it's the kids' responsibility to take advantage of the academic opportunities to them or not. Pursuing borderline candidates or holding slots for them creates a level of uncertainty which can mess up the whole recruiting planning/strategy and that results in more losses. They need to be the fourth or fifth options, not the guys we are depending on for key minutes the following year.
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Post by RDF on Apr 16, 2009 15:42:57 GMT -5
Williams working on his qualifying status sure doesn't HURT the Hoyas chances. It's friggin Memphis--if they want him and he can't get qualified--they could get "something done".
Josh Pastner has been known about in hoops circles for years--and he's one the most OVERRATED people in the business. He's well connected and kisses a lot of butts--so he gets talked about a lot--but his eye for talent isn't that great--and he uses his "connections" to get mediocre players. Anyone on this board could've recruited for Calipari--his players are DELIVERED via Worldwide Wes.
Do you want to play in C-USA for an unproven coach that is closer to home state of Mississippi?
Do you want to play in BIG EAST, for a team/program that has proven it can put frontcourt players in NBA/improve their game if they are willing to work?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 16, 2009 16:55:37 GMT -5
Frankly, Georgetown should be competing against Duke and Stanford for kids who are in their junior year of high school, not seniors who still haven't qualified academically and are considering Memphis. If we don't get Latavious, I don't mind. Maybe it will be another wake-up call for the coaching staff on how to get their recruiting done in a bit different way than where they are now. We should be and in many cases we do... Greg Monroe. But there aren't that many to go around. We missed out on Ryan Kelly to Duke. But I don't think that means we need to rely exclusively on those kinds of kids. We need a broader mix than that... and a tougher mix. Our recruiting problems have many sources, choosing kids who, ultimately, did not fit in -- with the team, the school, whatever... and left. That's one problem. Failing to develop them and/or handle them so they want to stay. And missing out -- for various reasons -- on Braswell, Riley, and others. In short, the whole process of recruiting, retaining and developing players needs to be re-evaluated. But setting an arbitrary standard of competing with Duke and Stanford should not be a pre-requisite -- those kids should be included, but not exclusively.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 16, 2009 16:57:17 GMT -5
Williams working on his qualifying status sure doesn't HURT the Hoyas chances. It's friggin Memphis--if they want him and he can't get qualified--they could get "something done". Josh Pastner has been known about in hoops circles for years--and he's one the most OVERRATED people in the business. He's well connected and kisses a lot of butts--so he gets talked about a lot--but his eye for talent isn't that great--and he uses his "connections" to get mediocre players. Anyone on this board could've recruited for Calipari--his players are DELIVERED via Worldwide Wes. Do you want to play in C-USA for an unproven coach that is closer to home state of Mississippi? Do you want to play in BIG EAST, for a team/program that has proven it can put frontcourt players in NBA/improve their game if they are willing to work? All of that is true, but of course the kids relationship with JT3 is the single most important factor. A used car salesman like Calipari has been really effective with a lot of kids, JT3's appeal is much more sincere...and really effective for the right kids. Let's hope Latavious is one of those.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 16, 2009 19:34:13 GMT -5
Yes Jhoyafan it is universally known... Here is a quote from Joey Dorsey in a SI article: JD: We actually have a house -- 11 bedrooms, all basketball players, so mostly everybody stays there. LW: How did you find that place? JD: It's an on-campus thing; Coach Cal did it. It's almost like a mansion. You can get lost in there. It's decked out, too; the living room's got 42-inch flat screens where we can watch game tapes, or review player personnel. Or we can go upstairs where there's a theater, and just watch movies. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/basketball/ncaa/2007/07/blog-q-with-memphis-joey-dorsey.htmlSounds like your typical mid-major arrangement.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Apr 16, 2009 22:19:49 GMT -5
With Kelly one has to remember that he was from NC. At the same time I'd like to see us establish an area around DC, VA, MD where we should not be beat out by schools like Pitt or Loyola Marymount for crying out loud. Even if we didn't want Vinson, to lose him to possibly the worst college basketball program in L.A. is pathetic.
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