Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 24, 2009 3:54:50 GMT -5
They all happened after the game at the Green Turtle. C2C and I were lucky enough to meet both Jahidi Hoya as well as Jonathan Wallace and Tyler Crawford.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Feb 24, 2009 9:21:06 GMT -5
Could someone ask him if he sees any leadership next year???
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 9:42:21 GMT -5
I'm about ready for Summers to exit stage left. He could have led this team and didn't. Good luck in the NBA. No one will look for you to lead when you're not playing.
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 24, 2009 9:43:44 GMT -5
I'm about ready for Summers to exit stage left. He could have led this team and didn't. Good luck in the NBA. No one will look for you to lead when you're not playing. Wow. Just wow.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 9:46:09 GMT -5
I'm about ready for Summers to exit stage left. He could have led this team and didn't. Good luck in the NBA. No one will look for you to lead when you're not playing. Wow. Just wow. Look, coming into this year, I was higher on DS than anyone. I was telling anyone who would listen that he was going to take charge this year and take this inexperienced group to the next level. The fact that former players are saying that we had no leadership (and they know DS better than anyone) tells me that he did not step into that role. And he's not ready for the NBA. If he wants to come back, and bust his ass to develop the necessary skills, and take a senior role on the team, then I would love him back. But at this point, he hasn't progressed, either on the court or in the "intangibles" department.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 24, 2009 9:49:13 GMT -5
Do you really think that means we would be better off without him next year? I am disappointed in the lack of leadership too, but sometimes DS's problem is that he is trying too hard. With Chris in charge next year, development of the young guys (especially henry and julian), some added fire from Hollis, I think Dajuan can have a good year - especially if he works on his BALLHANDLING during the offseason.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 24, 2009 9:50:31 GMT -5
Look, coming into this year, I was higher on DS than anyone. I was telling anyone who would listen that he was going to take charge this year and take this inexperienced group to the next level. The fact that former players are saying that we had no leadership (and they know DS better than anyone) tells me that he did not step into that role. why was he supposed to? what gave you any indication his 1st 2 years that he would? When did he ever put the team on his back his 1st 2 years hear? who is at fault Dajuan or your unreasonable expectations of him? he is supposed to be a leader because he is a junior/upperclassman? if that is the case, why aren't we calling out Bryon Jansen. He is a senior and should know better not to lead this team.
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 24, 2009 9:56:21 GMT -5
Look, coming into this year, I was higher on DS than anyone. I was telling anyone who would listen that he was going to take charge this year and take this inexperienced group to the next level. The fact that former players are saying that we had no leadership (and they know DS better than anyone) tells me that he did not step into that role. So, you'd like DaJuan to leave because he fell short of your entirely baseless and personal prediction that he was going to take charge? That makes far too much sense. I'm not excusing a lack of leadership on this team. But even that doesn't explain the question of who *should* be leading this team. DaJuan has played, for all intents and purposes, a different position every season. His contribution to the team has been a responsive one, trying to bridge the gap that established positions and players already had. The wisdom of expecting a player whose mandate his freshman and sophomore season was to "fill in" aside, you still *want* him to leave? Maybe you and everyone else who feels this inexplicable entitlement can give him some pointers on the tenacity, commitment and loyalty required to suit up. Right after you throw him under the bus, that is.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 24, 2009 10:00:41 GMT -5
Look, coming into this year, I was higher on DS than anyone. I was telling anyone who would listen that he was going to take charge this year and take this inexperienced group to the next level. The fact that former players are saying that we had no leadership (and they know DS better than anyone) tells me that he did not step into that role. So, you'd like DaJuan to leave because he fell short of your entirely baseless and personal prediction that he was going to take charge? That makes far too much sense. I'm not excusing a lack of leadership on this team. But even that doesn't explain the question of who *should* be leading this team. DaJuan has played, for all intents and purposes, a different position every season. His contribution to the team has been a responsive one, trying to bridge the gap that established positions and players already had. The wisdom of expecting a player whose mandate his freshman and sophomore season was to "fill in" aside, you still *want* him to leave? Maybe you and everyone else who feels this inexplicable entitlement can give him some pointers on the tenacity, commitment and loyalty required to suit up. Right after you throw him under the bus, that is. Where did these expectations come from? Because DS told us that he was jumping ship after this year.... easily the worst prophecy since McDonald's All-American and future Hoya Superstar Vern Macklin told us he was going to be a one-and-done.
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guru
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Post by guru on Feb 24, 2009 10:01:45 GMT -5
I don't see any way Summers isn't back next season- he'll either be back in a Hoyas uni or in the NBDL or overseas at this time next year, because there's no way he sticks in the NBA right now. And he'd probably be a 2nd round pick, so no guaranteed $$.
And you can't deny his talent. What's infuriated me about his season is how he has seemed to only have two gears: Either he presses and tries to hard to make a play and ends up screwing up, or he seems to not give a crap, disappears and ends up screwing up.
I'm hoping that JT3 can take the lessons learned from this dreadful season and apply them to this same roster next season - if that happens, I think we're in good shape and this losing skid will have contributed to the program's growth. But if we have another offseason of turnover and turmoil, I think the program could be in rough shape for the next several years.
I'd also like to see some of these open scholarship spots filled - even if we have to go the JUCO route to bring in a banger or two short-term.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 10:06:52 GMT -5
Look, coming into this year, I was higher on DS than anyone. I was telling anyone who would listen that he was going to take charge this year and take this inexperienced group to the next level. The fact that former players are saying that we had no leadership (and they know DS better than anyone) tells me that he did not step into that role. why was he supposed to? what gave you any indication his 1st 2 years that he would? When did he ever put the team on his back his 1st 2 years hear? who is at fault Dajuan or your unreasonable expectations of him? he is supposed to be a leader because he is a junior/upperclassman? if that is the case, why aren't we calling out Bryon Jansen. He is a senior and should know better not to lead this team. why was he supposed to? Because he is a junior who played in our system for 2 years. And as opposed to Jesse, Dajuan knows that he'll end up in the NBA at some point. That automatically gave him a level of authority w/ the younger guys. what gave you any indication his 1st 2 years that he would? When did he ever put the team on his back his 1st 2 years hear? Nothing. But he was playing behind 4 or 5 older guys. Why would DS lead w/ Jeff/Roy around? Jeff/Roy left. So it was time for a new NBA-level talent. who is at fault Dajuan or your unreasonable expectations of him? I don't think my expectations were unreasonable. he is supposed to be a leader because he is a junior/upperclassman? Partially. But also b/c he is an NBA-bound talent playing w/ a bunch of kids. if that is the case, why aren't we calling out Bryon Jansen. He is a senior and should know better not to lead this team. Stop it.
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 24, 2009 10:07:18 GMT -5
So, you'd like DaJuan to leave because he fell short of your entirely baseless and personal prediction that he was going to take charge? That makes far too much sense. I'm not excusing a lack of leadership on this team. But even that doesn't explain the question of who *should* be leading this team. DaJuan has played, for all intents and purposes, a different position every season. His contribution to the team has been a responsive one, trying to bridge the gap that established positions and players already had. The wisdom of expecting a player whose mandate his freshman and sophomore season was to "fill in" aside, you still *want* him to leave? Maybe you and everyone else who feels this inexplicable entitlement can give him some pointers on the tenacity, commitment and loyalty required to suit up. Right after you throw him under the bus, that is. Where did these expectations come from? Because DS told us that he was jumping ship after this year.... easily the worst prophecy since McDonald's All-American and future Hoya Superstar Vern Macklin told us he was going to be a one-and-done. Everything I've heard about DaJuan supposedly saying these things comes from a "friend of a friend" or some setting in which I can only imagine he'd be eager enough to shake whoever was questioning him with whatever answer. If you can provide an actual on the record interview or quote, I'd really like to read it. More to the point: It's wrong for DaJuan or any player on this team to want to play in the NBA? Please. They're not indentured servants.
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guru
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Post by guru on Feb 24, 2009 10:08:45 GMT -5
Has anyone said, or even come close to saying, that it's wrong for a player to want to play in the NBA?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 10:13:59 GMT -5
I never said it's wrong for someone to want to play in the NBA. That should be their goal. But with that sort of talent and those high expectations, more leadership responsibilities attach.
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 24, 2009 10:15:47 GMT -5
Has anyone said, or even come close to saying, that it's wrong for a player to want to play in the NBA? A sneering indictment of a player's *alleged* prediction he would jump after his junior year in the same sentence as another sneering indictment of this same projected future for a different former Hoya is a pretty snarky way of saying exactly that. For reference: Where did these expectations come from? Because DS told us that he was jumping ship after this year.... easily the worst prophecy since McDonald's All-American and future Hoya Superstar Vern Macklin told us he was going to be a one-and-done.
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 24, 2009 10:35:11 GMT -5
Look, DaJuan is DaJuan... he has his place on the team and has been very productive overall and a great asset but he can't change his basic nature to fit the team's weaknesses. He hasn't changed much physically since he's been at Georgetown, he's always had a seemingly NBA ready body and basic skill set but he has increased his scoring and his work load every year. He just isn't a take charge kind of guy and to expect anything more is just wasting your brain power. DaJuan is happy when he can hit some 3s, make a few power drives and put up 12 - 18 points... and we should be happy with that too. It would be nice if he could be the leader that this team so desperately craves but he hasn't shown any propensity to do so and doesn't seem likely to fill that role any time soon. We as fans need to stop pining about what he isn't and appreciate what he is. He's a nice complimentary starter and a steady scorer who gives us great minutes but occasionally has a bad night...
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 24, 2009 10:38:57 GMT -5
Look, DaJuan is DaJuan... he has his place on the team and has been very productive overall and a great asset but he can't change his basic nature to fit the team's weaknesses. He hasn't changed much physically since he's been at Georgetown, he's always had a seemingly NBA ready body and basic skill set but he has increased his scoring and his work load every year. He just isn't a take charge kind of guy and to expect anything more is just wasting your brain power. DaJuan is happy when he can hit some 3s, make a few power drives and put up 12 - 18 points... and we should be happy with that too. It would be nice if he could be the leader that this team so desperately craves but he hasn't shown any propensity to do so and doesn't seem likely to fill that role any time soon. We as fans need to stop pining about what he isn't and appreciate what he is. He's a nice complimentary starter and a steady scorer who gives us great minutes but occasionally has a bad night... bingo
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Feb 24, 2009 11:14:57 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the national semi-final game versus Ohio State? Jeff Green was criticized for not being assertive enough and being too unselfish. Dajuan on the other hand was out of control and tried to do too much. Can we all agree that game was a huge moment? With all that pressure Jeff Green stuck to the system (a little too much) and Dajuan pretty much had a meltdown. Granted Dajuan was a freshman but during pressure moments how many times has Summers delivered this season? I have seen numerous fumble dribbles, missed 3's and charges. The fact remains that Jeff, Wallace and Hibbert (Tyler too) were a very special group that executed III's system to a t.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Feb 24, 2009 11:16:23 GMT -5
Agree with that. Anyways, this is a moot point. This team is Chris Wright's next year, if it isn't already.
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Post by RDF on Feb 24, 2009 11:53:59 GMT -5
Don't bash Dajuan at Final Four--considering he had to have surgery immediately after the season. He was injured and gutted it up for the team. I have no problem with some basketball criticisms but this is getting ridiculous to question his heart/toughness. I think he's plenty tough and I think he's got heart--I just think he's not as polished as he can/should be at this point and it's nothing he can't change.
It's been frustrating for us as fans--but how do you think the guys on team feel? I know Summers cares and I know rest of them do too--but sports is about lessons in life as much as winning/losing and when you prepare and make yourself the best you can be when its the OFFSEASON--you will be ready for the moments in-season.
I wish Dajuan nothing but best--whatever he decides and that goes with any guy on the team. It's their lives--but as a fan you want what is best for them so badly that you sometimes forget they are still young men and what is easy for a guy like me in my early 30's to see isn't how I might have seen things at the age of the guys on team.
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