Dajuan Summers discussion

[TBird41]

Feb 24, 2009 0:24:43 GMT -5 seahoya said:

Greg Monroe is 6'11 and 250 ( much bigger than Dajuan), what is his excuse then?

The guy is a freshman. He averages 13 points and seven rebounds and shoots 57 percent. He also has more assists than TOs and more than 50 steals. Sure, he has some shortcomings, but all in all a solid frosh season. Again, I expected more from Dajuan as a junior. The fact that he has three times as many TOs than assists and stinks defensively is disappointing.

Greg's a young freshman too. He doesn't turn 19 until June. He needs a lot of work (he needs to stop passing up inside shots and go up strong / not fade away, as well as start trusting his jumper again, along with improving on post defense), but he's also an 18 year old that leads the team in rebounds and steals and is 2nd on the team in points and assists.

I have no doubt, that, after following through on his promise to come back (please!) he'll use his first real summer on campus to improve his game greatly, add some weight and get some pointers from past Hoya bigs on how to be a dominant post player on both ends of the court.

[sleepy]

I agree, this board seems to love to pile all the blame on one player or thing. Heavy critism has been heaped on Sapp, Freeman, Omar, Nikita, Clark and Sims. The most critisim has definitely been laid on Summers and Wright this year. The only player that is beyond reproach on the hoyaboard is Monroe, for what reason I have no idea. For the ammounts of key layups and freethrows he's missed in addition to key turnovers he has had, I don't understand how this board refused to blame him for anything. Yes, he is a freshman, but so are Clark and Sims, and Nikitia is a redshirt and this is Wrights first big east regular season. I mean, I love him, but his play certainly doesn't warrent the treatment he gets on this board.

Also, I honestly think Summers' injury is whats completely holding him back right now. I definitely saw the effort and desire in his eyes, he just can't do much right now with the foot. I don't thinks its a coincidence that his sudden horrible play coincides directly with the injury.

[richfame]

Oh please.. Its always some concocted excuse why summers isnt l iving up to his full potential. Injury this, foul trouble that, im so sick of the appoligists. Hes a wonder role player and going to be a solid 4 year contributor its time we jut accept that until we see otherwise.

[JohnJacquesLayup]

Greg Monroe must have stolen the_way's lunch money or something. Nobody is saying Greg doesn't have plenty to work on to be a more complete, dominating player. However, Summers has had three seasons and a couple summers (no pun intended) to work on his game and step into a leadership role on this team, but is apparently not capable of doing so. People expected more from him, and rightfully so, and now are disappointed.

[summersshowers]

dajuan's still injured. there's really no other way to explain his sever drop-off in play SINCE, oh, that's right, the injury, excluding a heroic performance in the marquette game to single handedly keep us around for a while. and don't forget about duke, when he carried the team on his back while greg was disqualified from the game by dook's crew of rent-a-refs.

[the_way]

Feb 24, 2009 8:57:42 GMT -5 JohnJacquesLayup said:

Greg Monroe must have stolen the_way's lunch money or something. Nobody is saying Greg doesn't have plenty to work on to be a more complete, dominating player. However, Summers has had three seasons and a couple summers (no pun intended) to work on his game and step into a leadership role on this team, but is apparently not capable of doing so. People expected more from him, and rightfully so, and now are disappointed.

Greg is a large part of why we aren't winning. Moreso than Dajuan.

Greg is our C, who fails to play the position adequately enough.

the defense of Greg is always his stats. But what have those stats done for us in the W department, the stat that means the most?

Greg does not:

establish himself in the low-post. people say, why don't we feed him more often? well, the big man has to estabilish position to do that in the paint to get looks. he doesn't. he isn't physical or strong enough, he isn't a banger by nature. And when he does get the ball in the paint he is looking to pass the balll first rather than get a shot. And Greg's defense is virtually non-existent. he can easily be backed down and bodied in the paint. Opposing teams just shread our defense in the paint. Is Dajuan playing center too, can we blame him for that too? Or do we blame Greg? No, folks will blame Nikita or Vaughn.

Dajuan has flaws in his game. But so do just about everybody else on this team. Dajuan gets all of the blame. And don't pull the...well Greg is a freshman...so we should go easy on him. Well, Dajuan has been getting the flack since he was a freshman. Clark gets flack. Wright gets flack, playing for the first time for a full year. Vaughn gets flack.

why doesn't Freeman get flack? what does he do for us besides jack up 3's?

why doesn't Sims get flack? Vaughn routinely gets flack on this board, yet he is only legit big man we have that isn't afraid to be a big man and at least post up and bang.

Greg and Sims get least amount of criticism of anybody on this board. You got folks around here still thinking Sims should start, when obviously the minutes he has earned thus far, are sufficient given the lack of quality of play he has provided.

Dajuan has been what he has been for most of his career, a solid complimentary player. Folks are mad, not at Dajuan, but at themselves. Its not Dajuan's fault people expect him to be Jeff Green, when Dajuan isn't that kind of player and has never been since has been at Georgetown.

And the irony of it all is, Dajuan is being slammed for what he isn't, yet Greg Monroe gets a pass for what he isn't. Because a so-called one-and-done NBA ready big man, can at least get a team with other all-americans on the squad at least to the NCAA tournament.

[guru]

Feb 24, 2009 9:30:32 GMT -5 the_way said:

Feb 24, 2009 8:57:42 GMT -5 JohnJacquesLayup said:

Greg Monroe must have stolen the_way's lunch money or something. Nobody is saying Greg doesn't have plenty to work on to be a more complete, dominating player. However, Summers has had three seasons and a couple summers (no pun intended) to work on his game and step into a leadership role on this team, but is apparently not capable of doing so. People expected more from him, and rightfully so, and now are disappointed.

Greg is a large part of why we aren't winning. Moreso than Dajuan.

Greg is our C, who fails to play the position adequately enough.

the defense of Greg is always his stats. But what have those stats done for us in the W department, the stat that means the most?

Greg does not:

establish himself in the low-post. people say, why don't we feed him more often? well, the big man has to estabilish position to do that in the paint to get looks. he doesn't. he isn't physical or strong enough, he isn't a banger by nature. And when he does get the ball in the paint he is looking to pass the balll first rather than get a shot. And Greg's defense is virtually non-existent. he can easily be backed down and bodied in the paint. Opposing teams just shread our defense in the paint. Is Dajuan playing center too, can we blame him for that too? Or do we blame Greg? No, folks will blame Nikita or Vaughn.

Dajuan has flaws in his game. But so do just about everybody else on this team. Dajuan gets all of the blame. And don't pull the...well Greg is a freshman...so we should go easy on him. Well, Dajuan has been getting the flack since he was a freshman. Clark gets flack. Wright gets flack, playing for the first time for a full year. Vaughn gets flack.

why doesn't Freeman get flack? what does he do for us besides jack up 3's?

why doesn't Sims get flack? Vaughn routinely gets flack on this board, yet he is only legit big man we have that isn't afraid to be a big man and at least post up and bang.

Greg and Sims get least amount of criticism of anybody on this board. You got folks around here still thinking Sims should start, when obviously the minutes he has earned thus far, are sufficient given the lack of quality of play he has provided.

Dajuan has been what he has been for most of his career, a solid complimentary player. Folks are mad, not at Dajuan, but at themselves. Its not Dajuan's fault people expect him to be Jeff Green, when Dajuan isn't that kind of player and has never been since has been at Georgetown.

And the irony of it all is, Dajuan is being slammed for what he isn't, yet Greg Monroe gets a pass for what he isn't. Because a so-called one-and-done NBA ready big man, can at least get a team with other all-americans on the squad at least to the NCAA tournament.

Thanks, Mr. Naismith.

[sleepy]

Feb 24, 2009 9:30:32 GMT -5 the_way said:

Feb 24, 2009 8:57:42 GMT -5 JohnJacquesLayup said:

Greg Monroe must have stolen the_way's lunch money or something. Nobody is saying Greg doesn't have plenty to work on to be a more complete, dominating player. However, Summers has had three seasons and a couple summers (no pun intended) to work on his game and step into a leadership role on this team, but is apparently not capable of doing so. People expected more from him, and rightfully so, and now are disappointed.

Greg is a large part of why we aren't winning. Moreso than Dajuan.

Greg is our C, who fails to play the position adequately enough.

the defense of Greg is always his stats. But what have those stats done for us in the W department, the stat that means the most?

Greg does not:

establish himself in the low-post. people say, why don't we feed him more often? well, the big man has to estabilish position to do that in the paint to get looks. he doesn't. he isn't physical or strong enough, he isn't a banger by nature. And when he does get the ball in the paint he is looking to pass the balll first rather than get a shot. And Greg's defense is virtually non-existent. he can easily be backed down and bodied in the paint. Opposing teams just shread our defense in the paint. Is Dajuan playing center too, can we blame him for that too? Or do we blame Greg? No, folks will blame Nikita or Vaughn.

Dajuan has flaws in his game. But so do just about everybody else on this team. Dajuan gets all of the blame. And don't pull the...well Greg is a freshman...so we should go easy on him. Well, Dajuan has been getting the flack since he was a freshman. Clark gets flack. Wright gets flack, playing for the first time for a full year. Vaughn gets flack.

why doesn't Freeman get flack? what does he do for us besides jack up 3's?

why doesn't Sims get flack? Vaughn routinely gets flack on this board, yet he is only legit big man we have that isn't afraid to be a big man and at least post up and bang.

Greg and Sims get least amount of criticism of anybody on this board. You got folks around here still thinking Sims should start, when obviously the minutes he has earned thus far, are sufficient given the lack of quality of play he has provided.

Dajuan has been what he has been for most of his career, a solid complimentary player. Folks are mad, not at Dajuan, but at themselves. Its not Dajuan's fault people expect him to be Jeff Green, when Dajuan isn't that kind of player and has never been since has been at Georgetown.

And the irony of it all is, Dajuan is being slammed for what he isn't, yet Greg Monroe gets a pass for what he isn't. Because a so-called one-and-done NBA ready big man, can at least get a team with other all-americans on the squad at least to the NCAA tournament.

Apparently you weren't around when we were doing well because Sims was the most critized player by this board for the first two months of the season.

Also, its painfully obvious that Summers is still injured. He carried us in a lot of games pre-injury (Duke, Pitt) but now he can't drive, not just because of his handle, and it is making his defense worse. He isn't nearly as explosive and I don't even think he has attempted a dunk since the injury. Physically right now he is a totally different player than he was before the Cinci game.

[tashoya]

Freeman doesn't get a lot of the blame because we forget he's even on the floor.

[Cambridge]

I have four comments regarding Summers:
1) He is a below average defender at his position.
2) He is an emotional player and gets rattled by officials/opponents.
3) He has not 100% recovered from his injuries.
4) When 100% and playing in the flow of the offense, there is no more dangerous offensive player on our team.

[hoyaLS05]

DaJuan had one of his best games of the season at Marquette in his first game back from injury, so I am not too sure how big a factor that is right now.

[sleepy]

Feb 24, 2009 10:54:43 GMT -5 hoyaLS05 said:

DaJuan had one of his best games of the season at Marquette in his first game back from injury, so I am not too sure how big a factor that is right now.

The first game after an injury your usually extra hyped and the adrenalin rush helps with pain. They also probably gave him some sort of painkiller for that game. He really only played well the begginning of that game too.

[centercourt400s]

Feb 24, 2009 9:30:32 GMT -5 the_way said:

Dajuan has been what he has been for most of his career, a solid complimentary player. Folks are mad, not at Dajuan, but at themselves. Its not Dajuan's fault people expect him to be Jeff Green, when Dajuan isn't that kind of player and has never been since has been at Georgetown.

And the irony of it all is, Dajuan is being slammed for what he isn't, yet Greg Monroe gets a pass for what he isn't.

I absolutely agree with theway's comments on DaJuan. He is what he is and for us to expect otherwise is foolish. We should appreciate him for the great contributions he makes but forgive him for the off night that proves he's human.

I disagree with the statements about Monroe however. He gets a pass in my book because he is a freshman, simple as that. All the other freshmen should get passes as well. To criticize an 18 year old who is trying to adjust both his basketball game and his life to college at the same time is really overboard in my mind.

[robbyt]

Feb 24, 2009 10:51:25 GMT -5 Cambridge said:

I have four comments regarding Summers:
1) He is a below average defender at his position.
2) He is an emotional player and gets rattled by officials/opponents.
3) He has not 100% recovered from his injuries.
4) When 100% and playing in the flow of the offense, there is no more dangerous offensive player on our team.

#4 - correct, except this happens once in a blue moon, and that's the problem.

[Buckets]

Feb 24, 2009 9:30:32 GMT -5 the_way said:

the defense of Greg is always his stats. But what have those stats done for us in the W department, the stat that means the most?

This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. What have Jeff Green's stats done for the Thunder in the "W department"? Dumb. Greg is a very young freshman PF being asked to play C in a physical league with plenty of bigs who are old enough that they have already filled out and are thus significantly stronger than he is.

[the_way]

Feb 24, 2009 13:36:51 GMT -5 Buckets said:

Feb 24, 2009 9:30:32 GMT -5 the_way said:

the defense of Greg is always his stats. But what have those stats done for us in the W department, the stat that means the most?

This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. What have Jeff Green's stats done for the Thunder in the "W department"? Dumb. Greg is a very young freshman PF being asked to play C in a physical league with plenty of bigs who are old enough that they have already filled out and are thus significantly stronger than he is.

Greg was the #1 player coming out of high school.

Now he is so meek (6'11 and 250 pounds...extremely frail) and can't do anything against the Big Ole bad players in the Big East.

now thats a dumb argument.

[SFHoya99]

DaJuan is very simple:

1. His best skill is his shooting, whether three-point or mid-range.
2. His handle needs work.
3. He looks like he's regressed on offense because he was only asked to be a jump shooter / opportunistic player before. Now he's being asked to do more.
4. He should be a much better defender than he is.
5. He should be a much better rebounder than he is.

[Buckets]

Feb 24, 2009 13:56:22 GMT -5 the_way said:

Greg was the #1 player coming out of high school.

Now he is so meek (6'11 and 250 pounds...extremely frail) and can't do anything against the Big Ole bad players in the Big East.

now thats a dumb argument.

First and foremost, Greg is not 250 pounds. I know it says so on GUHoyas, but it also says that Omar is 6'5", 225. If you want to see a 7-footer who actually weighs 250 pounds, look at David Robinson. Does Greg look like David Robinson? Vince Carter is listed at 6'6", 220, do you think that Omar is heavier than Vince Carter?

Next, Greg was the number one player based largely on potential. He has a great frame on which he will eventually add a good amount of muscle naturally, but it hasn't happened yet. He is not a full-grown man and does not have the muscle of a junior or senior.

Further, looking on Scout, it appears the one area that he was deficient in coming out of high school was... low-block scoring! Greg is not a banger, and probably never will be even when he eventually gets stronger. He is not some one who is comfortable banging on the low blocks, and we are asking him to do it. Also, considering our overall rebounding and big-man deficiencies, Greg is being asked to defend well enough not to commit fouls, challenge the shot, and then get the rebound.

[Hoya TMF]

On a team that has underachieved this much, everyone has to share the blame. No one on this team or that coaches this team is beyond criticism. And now some of our unreasonable expectations are coming to roost. Neither Sapp nor Summers have ever been leaders or go-to guys in college. Everyone else of this team is incredibly inexperienced, especially Greg and Chris, who play the two most important positions in our offense. Heaping blame on one player is ridiculous. It's not like Summers has somehow regressed. He's actually playing better than he did last year; just not consistently or two his potential. Plus, we haven't won, even when Summers has had great games ... see Duke, see Marquette game 1.

There's a lot of things wrong with this team. That burden cannot be shouldered by one player.

[the_way]

Feb 24, 2009 14:20:41 GMT -5 Buckets said:

Feb 24, 2009 13:56:22 GMT -5 the_way said:

Greg was the #1 player coming out of high school.

Now he is so meek (6'11 and 250 pounds...extremely frail) and can't do anything against the Big Ole bad players in the Big East.

now thats a dumb argument.

First and foremost, Greg is not 250 pounds. I know it says so on GUHoyas, but it also says that Omar is 6'5", 225. If you want to see a 7-footer who actually weighs 250 pounds, look at David Robinson. Does Greg look like David Robinson? Vince Carter is listed at 6'6", 220, do you think that Omar is heavier than Vince Carter?

Next, Greg was the number one player based largely on potential. He has a great frame on which he will eventually add a good amount of muscle naturally, but it hasn't happened yet. He is not a full-grown man and does not have the muscle of a junior or senior.

Further, looking on Scout, it appears the one area that he was deficient in coming out of high school was... low-block scoring! Greg is not a banger, and probably never will be even when he eventually gets stronger. He is not some one who is comfortable banging on the low blocks, and we are asking him to do it. Also, considering our overall rebounding and big-man deficiencies, Greg is being asked to defend well enough not to commit fouls, challenge the shot, and then get the rebound.

Man, now even more excuses for Greg.

Next thing you are going to do, you are going to tell me he is not really Greg Monroe, but an imposter.

Greg is a big dude. Size has nothing to do with how physical a person is. Either you are physical or not. Some guys don't mind banging, some guys have a finesse game. Greg has a finesse game.

Greg is being asked to play C. He'd still be struggling as a PF if he was asked to play that.

For all of his hype, he has many areas to work on his game. He is not NBA ready., because he is not a small-forward. He'll either have to play PF or C, and if he is getting manhandled in the Big East, what do you think they will do to him in the NBA?

The only thing that meets the hype for Greg is his passing ability. He is great at that. He excels at that, to a fault. He is comfortable with being just that. And it hurts the team when he, not the coach nor his teammates, Greg reduces and limits himself to just that. Greg needs to assert himself if we want to throw the word great around about him.