GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 23, 2009 21:24:46 GMT -5
That's why we're awful on D. Dajuan can't guard anyone. He has 4 more blocks than Julian and Henry (in some 550 more minutes). And when you're a terrible defensive post player (Hi, Wes Wilson) the entire team spends its time helping out and that leaves shooters open.
The good news is we can correct this by filtering his man to our center. Oh wait, we don't PLAY our center. He apparently is the worst practice player in history.
So 3-5 we start a redshirt freshman that is below average on D, a junior who is 6'8 and terrible on D, and a freshman who needs to bulk up.
There is absolutely zero way Vaughn or Sims at the 4 or 5 respectively is more of a liability on D than the Nikita/Summers tandem. ZERO. One small forward who can't play D can hurt you. Starting two is ridiculous.
Sims or Vaughn need to start. We're not going to beat another decent team all year with this defense. It's absurd at this point.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Feb 23, 2009 21:31:18 GMT -5
Hey, we tried to press at the end of the game, so maybe there is hope for change now that the season is over.
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Post by seahoya on Feb 23, 2009 21:37:45 GMT -5
I cringe to think No "D" ajuan is coming back next season to hang around the 3-point line and fire up bombs and turn the ball over all game long.
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Post by chep3 on Feb 23, 2009 21:44:18 GMT -5
Yeah I don't know what it is that makes him so bad. His stance is awful, he never gets low enough to actually move his feet.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 23, 2009 21:52:10 GMT -5
neither can anybody else on the team.
why folks pile on Dajuan when other players (including "The" Greg Monroe) have serious flaws in their games that are hurting the team, is beyond me.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Feb 23, 2009 21:58:13 GMT -5
very simple the_way- Greg is a freshman, Summers is a junior, and has been starting since his freshman season. Such players should have leadership qualities, and DaJuan does not.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 23, 2009 22:03:19 GMT -5
very simple the_way- Greg is a freshman, Summers is a junior, and has been starting since his freshman season. Such players should have leadership qualities, and DaJuan does not. they have been piling on Vaughn. they have been piling on Nikita. they have been piling on Clark. these guys are underclassman and aren't asked to lead. They have been piling on Dajuan since his freshman year. But the "golden child", Greg Monroe, is above reproach? Len Elmore broke Greg down to what is wrong with him on tonight's game, and how it is hurting the team.
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Post by mannyalexander on Feb 23, 2009 22:09:02 GMT -5
neither can anybody else on the team. why folks pile on Dajuan when other players (including "The" Greg Monroe) have serious flaws in their games that are hurting the team, is beyond me. It's already been mentioned but I think it bears repeating - Dajuan is an upperclassmen and was expected to be a leader of this team. It has not happened. And more importantly, his game has regressed this year. For whatever reason, he has given up on any consistent mid-range element to his game and only focused on bombing away from a deeper 3 point line or sloppy drives to the basket. I'm not sure why he's doing it and I think part of it is a result of this team's inability to consistently run the offense (as I've already mentioned elsewhere tonight) but is very frustrating to see, especially from a guy who has been around the system for an extended period of time.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 23, 2009 22:11:12 GMT -5
neither can anybody else on the team. why folks pile on Dajuan when other players (including "The" Greg Monroe) have serious flaws in their games that are hurting the team, is beyond me. I disagree with pretty much everything you say, but I'm pretty sure the unwritten rule of Hoyatalk is that everything is DaJuan's fault and nothing is the fault of Jessie Sapp.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 23, 2009 22:15:41 GMT -5
neither can anybody else on the team. why folks pile on Dajuan when other players (including "The" Greg Monroe) have serious flaws in their games that are hurting the team, is beyond me. It's already been mentioned but I think it bears repeating - Dajuan is an upperclassmen and was expected to be a leader of this team. It has not happened. And more importantly, his game has regressed this year. For whatever reason, he has given up on any consistent mid-range element to his game and only focused on bombing away from a deeper 3 point line or sloppy drives to the basket. I'm not sure why he's doing it and I think part of it is a result of this team's inability to consistently run the offense (as I've already mentioned elsewhere tonight) but is very frustrating to see, especially from a guy who has been around the system for an extended period of time. Have you watched the games? Everybody on this team have given up a midrange game (save for Monroe who loves playing four square instead of basketball in the paint,) ,and settle for quick ill-advised 3 pt. shots. Again, its not just Dajuan. But again, everybody blames Dajuan. The entire offense stinks. WE don't even run our offense anymore. Our ball movement is atrocious. We just swing it around until we get a open 3 pt. shot. This is a team issue. Not Dajuan.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 23, 2009 22:16:37 GMT -5
Every single player on this team should bear some of the blame. The only guys that have shown any real cojones are Chris and, to some extent, Jessie. But both took some horrible shots and made silly turnovers tonite, to cancel out much of the good. And Coach needs to shoulder his share as well. Young players and teams are supposed to improve as the season progresses. This team is no better as a whole today than it was in December. I don't know what they spend their time on at practice, but it needs to be re-evaluated before next season.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 23, 2009 22:23:40 GMT -5
Agree with Way, Summers is a scapegoat right now. That offense tonight was nothing resembling the offense from even December of this season. Greg did not even throw a high/low tonight, there was no cutting and Monroe simply will not body up in the paint with physical players. I get that Summers is a junior, but he is what he is. JT3 needs to understand he will not change DS into a 4 and figure out how he allows him to play as a 3 without hurting the team. A player like Dajuan is a positive on any team, we need to use him correctly and stop forcing him into situations set up for failure.
Everyone played hard but tight tonight just hoping someone else would make the play. Kind of the theme to the season - everyone hoping someone else will step up in the tough spots.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 23, 2009 22:24:20 GMT -5
The deal is that we can't consistently keep anybody from scoring and whenever we face some adversity our offense goes to crap because most of the guys start forget to play together--they all try and do it themselves (except Monroe, who has the exact opposite problem).
I suppose in part this means that the guys aren't fully buying into the offensive system and trusting it to enable them to get back into the game. I don't think that's the systems fault and I love JTIII, but I suppose he has to accept some of the blame for not getting the message across to the guys.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 23, 2009 22:26:40 GMT -5
To say DaJuan's game has regressed is incorrect. I think he has improved. His shot selection is better (um... yeah. I said it.) His percentages are better. He's working much harder on the offensive end than he ever has. He's provided a lot of our offense at times. He is not, as mentioned earlier, a good defensive player. However, to his great credit, I think he's really pushed himself to take this team on his back at times to try and carry us where he wants us to go. Unfortunately, he, so far, doesn't have the skills to do it. I think he will in a couple of years. He just doesn't right now. Also in his defense, I think he'd have learned a lot of what we look for from him if he'd had 3 full years of playing the 3. He, more than others, I feel has been hurt the most by being made to play out of position. I do my fair share of DaJuan bashing. But the majority of it is in regard to bad decisions and/or awful plays at EXACTLY the wrong time in the game which, unfortunately, he tends to compound. Those I would normally chalk up to inexperience but being that DS is a 3 year starter gets less slack than others around him. Additionally, he gets a bad rap cuz he hasn't come as far as we all hoped he would given his obvious physical gifts.... It's not an exact science sadly. Ohters deserve blame for sure. Monroe among them. This is a team. OUR team. It falls on everyone. DaJuan is the popular whipping boy because we wanted so much from the kid from day one and part of that expectation is on us and part on him. That being said, I don't question DaJuan's will to win or his fire most of the time. I just wish I could explain why he disappears at times. I can say the same part about the disappearance of Greg. And Austin. And Jessie.
And really, aren't we all just a little peeved that this team is better than this or, at the least, should be? That's really all it is for me. Looking for the why. I didn't expect us to be a top 10 team but I think this team should be top 25. That's what irks me is that there's no clean answer. Chuck it... time to have a cocktail. Cheers.
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Post by seahoya on Feb 23, 2009 22:27:53 GMT -5
I agree that everybody shares the blame. However, the reason I come down a little harder or Dajuan is not only because he is more experienced, but also because he is 6-foot-8 (will probably be measured at 6-7). Guys with his size simply need to mix it up more. He is content to float around the perimeter and unleash threes. He plays soft. Call me crazy, but I just expected much more.
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Post by the_way on Feb 23, 2009 22:36:00 GMT -5
I agree that everybody shares the blame. However, the reason I come down a little harder or Dajuan is not only because he is more experienced, but also because he is 6-foot-8 (will probably be measured at 6-7). Guys with his size simply need to mix it up more. He is content to float around the perimeter and unleash threes. He plays soft. Call me crazy, but I just expected much more. Greg Monroe is 6'11 and 250 ( much bigger than Dajuan), what is his excuse then?
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Post by richfame on Feb 23, 2009 22:37:30 GMT -5
Nice 3 point set shot, all the potential in the world. Hes a good role player theproblem we all wanted him to be THE MAN, which he clearly willnever be unless he learns to dribble better and more better without the ball..
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 23, 2009 22:47:16 GMT -5
I agree with you, Tas. For the most part, his shot selection certainly has improved. But in game like tonight where he was completely exposed on defense, if he wasn't hitting any open perimeter shots, he was going to have zero impact on the game. That's a problem that a lot of our guys have, not just Dajuan. Every other good team we play makes us pay dearly for leaving open their shooters, while ours don't do the same to other teams.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 23, 2009 23:52:39 GMT -5
Nice 3 point set shot, all the potential in the world. Hes a good role player theproblem we all wanted him to be THE MAN, which he clearly willnever be unless he learns to dribble better and more better without the ball.. I think you've nailed it -- for all his purported talent, Summers is a complementary player, not a centerpiece. But why no discussion of Freeman? He's vaporized.
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Post by seahoya on Feb 24, 2009 0:24:43 GMT -5
Greg Monroe is 6'11 and 250 ( much bigger than Dajuan), what is his excuse then?
The guy is a freshman. He averages 13 points and seven rebounds and shoots 57 percent. He also has more assists than TOs and more than 50 steals. Sure, he has some shortcomings, but all in all a solid frosh season. Again, I expected more from Dajuan as a junior. The fact that he has three times as many TOs than assists and stinks defensively is disappointing.
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